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Hey everyone, I hope you can hear me well.

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Let's wait until 10 people join

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and then we can get started.

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I'll hand the floor

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to Paul immediately

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as soon as there's at least 10 people in this space.

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Well, we already have 7.

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I'll never have 8.

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Let's just, because I have

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the worst things on the list first

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and we'll save the better things.

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So we can kill time

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by talking about this study about

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these people earn money

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money than anyone, everyone comes out with like

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for a handout, they try to like take your money

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like your mother-in-law

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and your cousin and whatever, they all try to like take your money.

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as a program where they will invest your money

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at negative 25%.

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how much money you have.

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that's an interesting privacy

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as you might call it.

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Also the bug hunt number 3

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which I haven't done before because I thought, well

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want everyone

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to know about the bugs before we can fix them all?

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but then we'll be trying to fix every bug.

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and you gotta check the fixes

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and stuff before you

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Jameson Lopp has a

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this Saturday

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doing like they call it the dry run

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which is like if the fork happened now

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like that's what it would be.

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an opportunity for everyone to test like every

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single thing about claiming and like what exactly

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do they know the address is real and that the

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clipboard didn't get intercepted and all this

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I've been a huge champion of this idea for many years

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years ago if Luke hadn't killed bit 47

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stuff off the list as people

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and Lightning are all

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the same thing where it's like for some reason

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fake ideas that are doomed and

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they're just propped up by basically social

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pressure and they're kind of

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speaking of 110, 110 lost

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supporters out there because they're not real

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we're all trolling, this is Bitcoin Puppet

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turning into a human

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we're adding BIP110 to our name to infiltrate

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and add subterfuge

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oh it's a joke

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we've been arguing with these idiots

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all week, Leonidas

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this dumbass, our number one retarded

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ordinal savior, Leonidas

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is going to argue with Jim, rdts

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Jim today who's like actually mining

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BIP110, so we're all kind of just like

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leaning into this like, let's dox

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ourselves and act like we're

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real people with laser eyes so that they, because they won't

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let us come up on the spaces and like talk

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with logic right, like they're like scared of reasoning

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I guess and like this spending, like what is

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money is a question that they hate right

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these type of simple, so they would rather

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just talk to themselves all day long

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right, so we try to get up, talk to them

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but we figured out they wouldn't let us up, so we started

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changing our name, like I made my name

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David, because think about it

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you know, why do people want to listen to you talk Paul

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because you got a nice cute white guy face

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and you got your name Paul in your handle, right

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like that's a reasonable person

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right out the gate, it's like when you see me with the Bitcoin

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Puppet and you know my name

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is DeGentralina

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come on, do you think people want to hear me talk

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I can

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see people taking a skeptical

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view, look you invited me up here

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because I had a white guy face and laser eyes, don't lie

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well because

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you had one BIP-110

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that is funny though

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I think, I saw the thing with the

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mechanic, like the M

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mechanic and the guy doing the impression

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and I thought that, I was like laughing at that

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I don't normally, like a lot of Bitcoin content is

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very very predictable for me

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we've already got the loop, okay

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we already have people, like there's this guy

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Zeck, he's at the mechanic right now so he can't

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come explain it, but he has an alt account that

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has what's called a psychosis ape club

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it's an AI board ape

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derivative rug on

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Binance Smart Chain, alright, we made a joke a long time ago

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where we copy pasted some of these and

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teleburned them onto Bitcoin and so we

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have this little dumb joke where like five of us have these

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board ape, you know, derivative AI

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shit, and so he goes on that

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it says building alkanes in the name

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it has worms in the handle, like worm

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emoji, it has ah seven

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times, another worm, and then it says

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bip 110, and then it says

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building on alkanes, which is a Bitcoin

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meta protocol, right? Luke Dashjr's

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dumbass is retweeting this guy because

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the barrier of like IQ that

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these guys put into like

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the virtue signaling with one another

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and like, it's very low, there's no effort

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here for them to be like, oh, they say

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oh, that guy has bip 110 in his name and

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he has laser eyes, I like that guy, you know

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that's it, that's as far as these guys go

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so if you just put laser eyes back

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on and you put like bip 110 in your name

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you're gonna be, I got 50

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followers within 20 hours and I'm

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tweeting Bitcoin puppet memes at these guys

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and they're liking them, like they have no idea

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what's going on, Paul

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well, you know, the underdog

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is always desperate to

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team up, so they're

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actually very nice, they have to love bomb

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it's like a cult, they have to, anyone

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new, they have to love bomb

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them to get them in, it's very

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important. Well, hey, you fooled me

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I thought it was a real 110

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I mean, I put one second

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into researching it, by reading the title

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there's Zek down there too, he's doing the

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same thing with the real person, but basically

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for the last three days we've been like doing 12 hour

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a day spaces where we title it like

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bip 110ers for the win, or like

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you know, bip 110 is gonna win

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debate, and we bait these guys to come up, right

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and then we like get one of their supporters

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to like actually try to defend the cause

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and we like be nice about it, we try to be

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really gentle, and like we're basically playing

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basketball with a 12 year old

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and we know we're playing basketball with a 12 year old, but we still

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want the 12 year old to have a little bit of fun, right

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but we still gotta make sure he can't get the free shot, you know

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so like, we're playing, that's how

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we're treating these guys on this stage

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but they unironically think, like they don't even understand

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that us shit pointers, whatever

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we haven't even gotten off the bench

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we haven't even lifted a finger to defend

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ourselves from these dumb arguments, right

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but now we're just now

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step one is like, let's have some jokes with

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these guys and like let's play their game and put

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bip 110 in their name, so we can just like be part

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of the conversation and then ask them very obvious

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questions, and then they like, hopefully

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ideally, that maybe

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you know, kicks some logic into their head

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but I don't know bro, look how they're crashing

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out on Michael Saylor, their hero right now, it's

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gold, it's gold

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well yeah

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I was actually kind of, I was a little disappointed

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even that, cause I was kind of like, maybe Michael

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Saylor with this recent tweet about

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the

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he's talking about how there's no spam problem

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I was like, he's finally weighing in

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on a

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controversy, but he's, he waited two years

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to weigh in on like one of the easiest controversies

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like in all of Bitcoin's history

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and so I was kind of like

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well, I guess, I don't know, in many ways it's kind of maybe worse

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I don't know

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he's not intelligent and he's not

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technical, you know, he has to wait bro

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like he has to wait to be on the right side of it

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he waited so long

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can I just jump in there

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how is it possible

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that Michael Saylor owns literally 600,000

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coins and he's not technical

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like I had this, I had this debate yesterday

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with Randy McMillan and he just shoved

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it in my face and he said to me

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he just threw it in my face

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he was like, this guy is just

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not going to know, he's not going to read the software

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he doesn't care about the code

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and yet you are literally giving this guy

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600,000 coins

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and you don't even know how he takes care of them

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it's absurd

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my theory would be that he's a federal agent

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but yeah, that's not, nobody wants to hear that

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well I'm a little confused about

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Mr. Oiko, are you saying that he is

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technical or are you saying that it's

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amusing how

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despite being not technical

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I'm just literally saying that if you did have a company

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that was worth that amount of money

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and you were putting in billions of dollars

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into Bitcoin, there is no way that you would

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put billions of dollars into Bitcoin

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and just trusting someone like Coinbase

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to look after your keys

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you have to know

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on some way, shape or form

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exactly how it is that they store their keys

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and Randy McMillian yesterday

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was just laughing in my face

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the guy was just an absolute dickhead

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and I was just like, dude man

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you wouldn't give this guy your fucking Bitcoin

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unless you knew

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unless you actually fucking knew how it was

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that he was going to take care of your keys

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many people obviously have

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but I think there must be

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some kind of SOC report

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or some kind of document describing

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some kind of multi-sig set

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this is just what I assume based on

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years of experience in the industry

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and also sometimes getting asked

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by consultants and stuff

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to review things

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when a corporation reaches a certain size

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they have to have everything in a document

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they have to have a backup plan

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so I assume

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and by assume I mean

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I'm like 99.99% sure

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they have some kind of thing set up

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for micro-strategies

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Bitcoin is in

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some kind of multi-sig

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or MPC or some kind of whatever

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fireblocks or some kind of thing

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something that has reports

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and stuff

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even if you have a multi-signature scheme

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it doesn't really matter what that multi-signature scheme is

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unless you can actually read the code

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about how that multi-signature scheme

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takes place

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what are you actually using to secure the keys

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if you can't read the code

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you're so gullible

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this is like

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I just can't understand how someone is in tune

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and so update and so fucking clever

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as Michael Saylor would just

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there's just no way that he would not

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read the code

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he would know the shit

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I'm not bigging him up

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Do you think that he doesn't?

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I would agree with you

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I would say that he did

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he would know every aspect about it

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but he doesn't though

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and interpreting the intention

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is a completely different thing

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well we could reflect on how

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there were people who became obsessed

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with Bitcoin like Roger Ver for example

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in the earlier era

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he became totally

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obsessed with Bitcoin and he learned

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an awful lot

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he clearly became much more

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technical than he would have

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had he remained a humble

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optical server

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equipment salesman

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which is like what he was

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doing before he found Bitcoin

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he clearly learned

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about private keys

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he learned about GitHub

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he learned about

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what an API is

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because Amir

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Otaki

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I think accidentally published something

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open source that had an API key

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and lost 25,000 Bitcoin

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as a result

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but the point is

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he became obsessed

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but even back at the time

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people would not have described Roger Ver

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as quote technical

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unquote

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back in 2015-2017 in fact people would say that oh I really like Roger but he's not technical that's

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something people would say and and yet he did become obsessed with Bitcoin and

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Michael Saylor is kind of like a weird version of this where he he is also obsessed with getting

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on stage and talking about Bitcoin with his weird metaphors you know what I mean like he

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if you guys think about it Bitcoin 10 is like a cyber gangbang you know like this is the kind

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of thing he understands it's okay he doesn't have to be technical let him do his vagueness and like

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summarize the technicalities he's like if the thing is is not everybody can be technical

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and we shouldn't we probably shouldn't expect that because like then we're never going to get

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anywhere but I know but it is too weird like as it is weird person was saying that you'd invest so

563
00:20:44,660 --> 00:20:51,701
much money and yet you wouldn't invest maybe like one weekend yeah but he doesn't know enough

564
00:20:52,421 --> 00:20:57,620
he really knows if you read Udi's tweet there's many many different things like him for example

565
00:20:57,620 --> 00:21:02,981
saying that Bitcoin is better than Litecoin because it has a higher hash rate in hashes per second

566
00:21:02,981 --> 00:21:08,581
but apparently not knowing that the hash rate in Bitcoin and Litecoin are different and you can't

567
00:21:08,581 --> 00:21:13,941
make just an apples to apples comparison you can compare them to some extent but you know

568
00:21:14,581 --> 00:21:19,221
the hash the hash rate in Bitcoin really doesn't apply to anything because it so long as someone

569
00:21:19,221 --> 00:21:23,221
actually makes the longest chain that's all that matters it doesn't matter how much hash rate you

570
00:21:23,221 --> 00:21:30,181
have behind it just to some extent yes as long as it's enough to deter frivolous 51 attack

571
00:21:31,140 --> 00:21:38,500
um I would agree so so a lot of the things he doesn't know are very strange and you would

572
00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:42,500
think now he's been involved for like five years so you would think that he would know more

573
00:21:44,021 --> 00:21:48,740
he's just as smart as all the guys yapping in my comments from 2021 on twitter about Bitcoin 10

574
00:21:48,740 --> 00:21:55,460
that's fair well as I said I think sailor 110 and lightning to me they are all like just

575
00:21:56,901 --> 00:22:02,741
just terrible and and I don't know what people see in them but but you have their little bubble

576
00:22:02,741 --> 00:22:08,821
you have your little cult and um and it's a shame there's a little bit of there's a little

577
00:22:08,821 --> 00:22:15,461
bit of good in each of the three you know like with 110 I'm not sure you're the criticizing

578
00:22:15,461 --> 00:22:21,461
core and pointing out that chorus is terrible that was definitely the silver lining of 110

579
00:22:21,461 --> 00:22:25,620
and lightning is of course people want to yes can I ask where you stand on this do you stand

580
00:22:25,620 --> 00:22:32,101
on like the 110 or do you stand on the core sort of side of it because no I don't like I think 110

581
00:22:32,101 --> 00:22:40,181
is right exactly I don't I'm not why do we have to stand on core side exactly I'm not really I

582
00:22:40,181 --> 00:22:44,821
hate core in fact I have to bring this up because it's very important and this is what we had the

583
00:22:44,821 --> 00:22:51,461
Bitcoin cash guy complaining and he's a super nice guy the New Zealand guy and he was complaining

584
00:22:51,461 --> 00:22:56,260
yesterday to me about how blah blah blah but it's like the problem with Bitcoin cash and with 110

585
00:22:56,900 --> 00:23:05,461
is that they're low quality ideas and so even though they are they you know they compete with

586
00:23:05,461 --> 00:23:09,140
core and they're going to lose and then they're going to make core look even even better so this

587
00:23:09,140 --> 00:23:13,060
is kind of like where you know you're competing against Donald Trump and you want him to lose and

588
00:23:13,060 --> 00:23:18,661
you run Joe Biden who can't speak because he's half dead and then it's kind of like well that

589
00:23:18,661 --> 00:23:23,700
was like you know that's a huge setback for everyone and no matter what you you want to have

590
00:23:24,581 --> 00:23:31,861
two bad candidates compete so the inevitable failure of 110 is going to increase core is

591
00:23:31,861 --> 00:23:38,661
going to look better than they looked before 110 ever you know was conceived does it really

592
00:23:38,661 --> 00:23:43,301
better though no one's competing with them anyways no one's competing with who core they

593
00:23:43,301 --> 00:23:49,861
ran everybody off well well 110 now is sort of competing come on not really I mean that's the

594
00:23:49,861 --> 00:23:55,060
one thing I can't get 110 if they didn't send an activation and they just ran a client we would

595
00:23:55,060 --> 00:24:03,620
all like them I think right like in a way I think so yes yeah well we would like that they're a

596
00:24:03,620 --> 00:24:09,060
second option and as a consumer you walk into the you walk into the store and you see oh you know

597
00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:13,621
Crest or Skullgate for the toothpaste you think oh that's good we have two options it almost feels

598
00:24:13,621 --> 00:24:18,260
like it's a white flag from core the way it's playing out right now right and almost like a

599
00:24:18,260 --> 00:24:24,420
controlled opposition thing uh you know I have to say I don't understand why Luke because you know

600
00:24:24,420 --> 00:24:30,820
Luke is pretty smart Luke is pretty crazy of course Luke has always been crazy but I just don't see

601
00:24:32,181 --> 00:24:35,220
what he could possibly be thinking with all this it doesn't um

602
00:24:37,061 --> 00:24:42,820
because the facts are completely against him if you really hate I think you lost 400

603
00:24:42,820 --> 00:24:46,820
and then the FBI was the only one that was trying to help you out you might hate us too though right

604
00:24:48,901 --> 00:24:52,980
why would that how what how does that help if you could just get more bitcoin by

605
00:24:52,980 --> 00:24:59,061
no wrong things I mean sure but he's his attitude that day shifted I think like I like

606
00:24:59,061 --> 00:25:03,861
personal experience right I lost a lot of crypto once upon a time over like an in-house theft

607
00:25:03,861 --> 00:25:09,140
thing right and so like I I had to fight with those emotions for like a year and a half of like

608
00:25:09,140 --> 00:25:13,380
being upset about who's to blame all this kind of shit you live in France did they sell your

609
00:25:13,380 --> 00:25:18,741
information Seattle Seattle no I just had uh I think someone called you that I yeah I think what

610
00:25:18,741 --> 00:25:22,501
I knew someone I knew at like a work situation kind of figured out I had a bunch of bitcoiners

611
00:25:22,501 --> 00:25:26,501
anyways point is is that that's too bad you you feel certain type of way after that for a while

612
00:25:26,501 --> 00:25:31,301
so I wouldn't put it past Luke to be like man they forsake me blah blah he's all religious and

613
00:25:31,301 --> 00:25:36,581
emotional you know so like he could easily figure out all these like uh just weird metaphors for

614
00:25:36,581 --> 00:25:42,420
himself to justify like helping the FBI undermine bitcoin and or helping core kind of so he could

615
00:25:42,420 --> 00:25:46,820
get some of that corn back or whatever right like any other incentive is there we just don't know

616
00:25:46,820 --> 00:25:54,021
what it is you know I don't think the FBI knows how to undermine bitcoin because think about how

617
00:25:54,021 --> 00:25:59,621
when I look around I see a lot of people trying to help bitcoin and they all seem really confused

618
00:25:59,621 --> 00:26:03,220
so I think in order for the FBI to know it's bad for bitcoin they would have to know

619
00:26:03,220 --> 00:26:07,380
they have to know the difference between what's good and bad for bitcoin but this is apparently

620
00:26:07,380 --> 00:26:12,341
like secret lore you don't really have to buy a few people despite us on Twitter though you fight

621
00:26:12,341 --> 00:26:18,901
the social infusion layer I think that could be the case so with Luke I would definitely believe

622
00:26:18,901 --> 00:26:25,461
that he he wanted to start Ocean and make a lot of money with Ocean to reclaim recoup what he

623
00:26:25,461 --> 00:26:30,021
had lost but I don't see how any of this is helping Ocean I think it's possible that there's a

624
00:26:30,021 --> 00:26:37,061
faction of people in Ocean who want to kick Luke out and they're bringing this to a very measurable

625
00:26:37,621 --> 00:26:42,181
head so to speak they're bringing it they're saying okay here's an event where because didn't

626
00:26:42,181 --> 00:26:48,820
we see that one guy doesn't have one older guy was like uh after 110 doesn't work like I'm gonna

627
00:26:48,820 --> 00:26:53,061
give up on this or something yeah I mean that's what they all kind of like they're trying to scare

628
00:26:53,061 --> 00:26:57,621
people into thinking like you you have to do this or bitcoin's gonna be doomed you know like that's

629
00:26:57,621 --> 00:27:02,021
all they're doing they know it's dumb but think about how they frame it like have you read these

630
00:27:02,021 --> 00:27:07,061
guys' tweets they frame things like it's guaranteed to pass the miners have to apply like it's just

631
00:27:07,461 --> 00:27:11,781
yeah I know we could go over why that's not true briefly I think it I think it would be useful

632
00:27:11,781 --> 00:27:16,980
because the the typical argument is okay you've got some giant group that doesn't care and you

633
00:27:16,980 --> 00:27:22,820
have a intransigent minority from the seem to levy this tiny group that does care it's the three

634
00:27:24,501 --> 00:27:29,621
kosher people or whatever and that's why every drink is kosher and but what they don't understand

635
00:27:29,621 --> 00:27:34,021
is that this situation does not the analogy doesn't apply at all to this situation because

636
00:27:34,021 --> 00:27:39,861
as soon as the you do the mandatory signaling and as soon as there's a block that doesn't signal

637
00:27:40,581 --> 00:27:47,940
in august 8th or whenever that is then it will be which side but you know which side do you give up

638
00:27:47,940 --> 00:27:52,260
on completely and if you give up on the side that has 99 percent of that hash rate you will you'll

639
00:27:52,260 --> 00:27:57,061
just be on a the minority side and you will never get any they won't even get to 100 blocks and so

640
00:27:58,341 --> 00:28:02,181
they won't even get no one will get paid at all I don't I don't get one block because they're

641
00:28:02,181 --> 00:28:05,380
going to have that first like difficulty adjustment problem and it's going to take

642
00:28:05,380 --> 00:28:08,581
like two days for the block to adjust they're going to have to hard fork twice

643
00:28:08,581 --> 00:28:13,940
and like 48 hours think about it like this if they can get 0.5 percent at the current difficulty

644
00:28:15,540 --> 00:28:23,220
they might be able to get you know one or two blocks or or maybe maybe even 10 you know sometime

645
00:28:23,220 --> 00:28:28,660
in the first day or so I can see roughnecks getting like one block just to prove a point

646
00:28:28,660 --> 00:28:32,660
right off the bat but once they realize the loss on that block they're gonna be like shit this

647
00:28:32,660 --> 00:28:38,020
isn't like mining bitcoin to signal we're not getting precisely yeah it's very important for

648
00:28:38,020 --> 00:28:42,340
people to to realize whoever minds that block there's a there's this thing called the maturity

649
00:28:42,340 --> 00:28:46,741
period there's a 100 block maturity period which is I think one of the most ingenious

650
00:28:46,741 --> 00:28:52,821
parts of satoshi's design and I think it's very very misunderstood what it does because for a

651
00:28:52,821 --> 00:28:58,100
while there was an explanation from like Blockstream and Greg Maxwell about like I'm sorry

652
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:02,741
there's not an explanation from Blockstream and Greg Maxwell that was something like uh like it's

653
00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:07,301
annoying to update the database and if there's reorgs you don't want to whatever I think it's

654
00:29:07,301 --> 00:29:12,980
completely untrue the clever thing about this but first let me explain the rule it says as a miner

655
00:29:12,980 --> 00:29:21,460
you don't get paid until the block that you mind has been buried by a hundred future blocks so it's

656
00:29:21,460 --> 00:29:28,261
like you need to have basically you know the entire network in terms of mining and nodes

657
00:29:28,821 --> 00:29:34,980
kind of ratify your block so when you mine a block today those coins are not spendable for 100 blocks

658
00:29:35,540 --> 00:29:41,701
and what this means is that you aren't allowed to just mine like kind of for fun you're only you

659
00:29:41,701 --> 00:29:48,741
only get paid if you mine in the blockchain that is the real one that we're all using so it has

660
00:29:48,741 --> 00:29:55,780
an unbelievably strong applicability to this particular case because as you pointed out they

661
00:29:55,780 --> 00:30:00,420
mine one or two blocks then what they're going to realize is we can't spend any of the coins we mind

662
00:30:01,141 --> 00:30:05,540
as in that we received as so-called revenue so they pay a hundred percent of the cost

663
00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:12,100
and they are looking at getting zero percent of the revenue for this end of any other future blocks

664
00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:16,821
until they get to well I mean after that what they'll do is they'll just hard fork they'll

665
00:30:16,821 --> 00:30:21,220
hard fork reduce the difficulty they might even adjust it to lwma instead of what we have on

666
00:30:21,220 --> 00:30:24,980
bitcoin because the because the difficulty adjustment on bitcoin is kind of like retarded

667
00:30:24,980 --> 00:30:29,621
it's old it's really bad right and so like you could update it so that every three four or five

668
00:30:29,621 --> 00:30:35,861
ten blocks the difficulty adjusts based on lwma and then like luke is the kind of guy that'll like

669
00:30:35,861 --> 00:30:39,941
centralize the fuck out of anything he needs to in the moment of course but what do you think

670
00:30:39,941 --> 00:30:44,980
I mean this is the issue is someone doing the hard fork you know I can tell you that there are

671
00:30:45,861 --> 00:30:52,420
even if you want to keep L1 exactly the same there are like hundreds if not thousands of

672
00:30:53,701 --> 00:30:56,821
tiny little decisions you have to make like you know will you change the

673
00:30:57,460 --> 00:31:02,501
well network magic will you change the name what will the where will it be located like what will

674
00:31:02,501 --> 00:31:07,701
the github if he's not afraid of talking about the proof of work he's definitely not afraid of

675
00:31:07,701 --> 00:31:12,181
changing the da brother you know I'm saying like you don't care yeah I'm just saying what do you

676
00:31:12,181 --> 00:31:15,301
think like it would be called and what do you think like what do you think would you change

677
00:31:15,301 --> 00:31:18,181
is he going to lower the difficulty is going to change the proof of work algorithm what is

678
00:31:19,460 --> 00:31:23,701
he plays it by ear because I don't know if he really has a plan other than the control aspect

679
00:31:24,660 --> 00:31:28,741
I know but it's like if you then it's a lot of decisions to just make like

680
00:31:28,741 --> 00:31:35,220
I've been telling you from personal work he wants to change like on a random day okay well

681
00:31:36,181 --> 00:31:40,100
look again these guys are not they're not verifying the code in the knots client you

682
00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:43,780
might do they're downloading it because Luke tweeted download it right like they they don't

683
00:31:43,780 --> 00:31:48,181
give a fuck it could be but it could be malware and they're happily downloading Luke's malware

684
00:31:48,181 --> 00:31:53,061
you know they're cool with it so I think it's just like whatever hard forks he says are needed

685
00:31:53,061 --> 00:31:56,501
and the mechanic agrees with him that's what the narratives the marching orders become

686
00:31:57,381 --> 00:32:02,100
so if they need to adjust the the difficulty adjustment to make it actually be able to farm

687
00:32:02,100 --> 00:32:06,420
the blocks or 100 blocks and make it cheaper on the hash rate so they don't have the proof of

688
00:32:06,420 --> 00:32:10,980
work change until like next month they're gonna do exactly that or whatever right like they're

689
00:32:10,980 --> 00:32:14,340
gonna they're gonna do whatever keeps the chain online because their whole their whole thing is

690
00:32:14,340 --> 00:32:19,701
is like they think consensus is this is this like gray area and they think that they could fight for

691
00:32:19,701 --> 00:32:24,100
the consensus like type of thing and like yeah there are they are admitting finally that it's

692
00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:27,701
either dead in the water or it's gonna win automatically blah blah blah but like they're

693
00:32:27,701 --> 00:32:32,261
also not admitting that they're really trying to get people to support this proof of work change

694
00:32:33,141 --> 00:32:37,220
like they just don't know it yet so I don't know everything's gonna change in my mind they're gonna

695
00:32:37,220 --> 00:32:41,381
call it bitcoin or whatever they're gonna say it's it's it's this is how it's supposed to be

696
00:32:41,381 --> 00:32:47,301
real money and all this shit but I know but that all exactly all that has been done many times and

697
00:32:47,301 --> 00:32:54,980
I think copying the name is a big mistake and I think probably the bitcoin cash people suffered

698
00:32:54,980 --> 00:32:58,501
a lot just by not picking a different name because you know they go out you go out and

699
00:32:58,501 --> 00:33:03,061
then you get a shill you want to show your new idea you want to tell the world oh we've got this

700
00:33:03,061 --> 00:33:09,861
great idea you know it's called bitcoin cash and then people they just google like bitcoin or

701
00:33:09,861 --> 00:33:15,861
bitcoin money or bitcoin something and they find btc is shilling showing the competitors uh

702
00:33:16,821 --> 00:33:22,821
showing the competitors website this guy in chat down here is freaking out with emojis because if

703
00:33:22,821 --> 00:33:27,141
you read the comments he's complaining he's complaining about you doing that stealing the

704
00:33:27,141 --> 00:33:32,980
eCash name paul how are you how dare you paul steal the eCash name it is definitely belongs

705
00:33:32,980 --> 00:33:41,381
to the 17th bitcoin fork and not you what is your well um you know uh I think that's uh it's it's

706
00:33:41,381 --> 00:33:49,540
fair to say that no human like owns a name the way I see it you know eCash you know we've discussed

707
00:33:49,540 --> 00:33:55,780
this many times where it was like eCash.com is available and the existing eCash project is like

708
00:33:56,181 --> 00:34:02,900
180th on coin market cap so as far as I'm concerned they the name is sort of lived and died

709
00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:10,660
there's like a tombstone like born dead and all this stuff was available.com etc so I don't think

710
00:34:10,660 --> 00:34:14,900
that I don't think that someone can just plant the flag in the ground and claim every name

711
00:34:15,621 --> 00:34:21,301
on like january 5th 1990 and just say I every single name is mine and you need to come

712
00:34:22,261 --> 00:34:27,861
for permission if you want it the names kind of have an organic quality to it when people google

713
00:34:27,861 --> 00:34:32,821
eCash they're going to find the they're going to find eCash.com so it's really like it's kind

714
00:34:32,821 --> 00:34:37,460
of a center of gravity type of thing it's really it's actually the exact same logic if you think

715
00:34:37,460 --> 00:34:45,621
about it where I'm saying because ours is going to be bigger we are the real you know we're actually

716
00:34:45,701 --> 00:34:51,301
what people will mean when they use the name. So in an effort to front run Justin and Grev

717
00:34:51,301 --> 00:34:55,701
since they're so polite and put their hands up and I'm an asshole uh is that why is that not

718
00:34:55,701 --> 00:34:59,621
applied to Luke in the same way where if he wins and Knott's gets to be the number one chain why

719
00:34:59,621 --> 00:35:05,780
can't he take over the name Bitcoin? No he can and he would. Oh shit. And I wouldn't complain

720
00:35:05,780 --> 00:35:11,061
that's why I still use Bitcoin. Reverse, reverse, I take that back. I still use the name Bitcoin to

721
00:35:11,061 --> 00:35:17,861
refer to today's Bitcoin because when a language is kind of like a theory so now you're going to

722
00:35:17,861 --> 00:35:21,540
get too much information that you didn't want but you see a language when I talk to you I have

723
00:35:21,540 --> 00:35:26,821
certain assumptions about what what do I think you and what do I think the audience means by

724
00:35:26,821 --> 00:35:34,501
different things so that's the true name is what the audience thinks you're referring to it's not

725
00:35:34,501 --> 00:35:42,980
even up to me or you it's just the context so if I were speaking to people who could speak Spanish

726
00:35:42,980 --> 00:35:51,061
or or Dutch you know it might be different you know like um so spoiler alert Darth Vader's

727
00:35:51,061 --> 00:35:59,941
name Vader is is I think Dutch for father so that would be a spoiler for people watching

728
00:35:59,941 --> 00:36:03,621
a movie in English and I don't know what they did when they translated presumably when they

729
00:36:03,621 --> 00:36:08,261
translated the movie and dubbed the movie they had to do something else maybe they just changed

730
00:36:08,261 --> 00:36:13,381
it to Darth Father the English word and kind of hoped for the best or something else I don't know

731
00:36:13,381 --> 00:36:19,381
but the point is the the language is not I don't think language works that way where it's like

732
00:36:19,381 --> 00:36:24,420
you know the the Omri Sashay eCash just owns eCash forever because you know there was David

733
00:36:24,420 --> 00:36:29,780
Chaum who had the original eCash but there's also the generic idea of just e starting with

734
00:36:29,780 --> 00:36:38,181
something like an e-bike e-scooter e-ink display email you know everything there's just e you know

735
00:36:38,181 --> 00:36:46,741
e-commerce so it's just yeah the uh especially for them no one really trademarked no one

736
00:36:46,741 --> 00:36:52,100
trademarked it right I think it wouldn't really matter even if it did right because what if Roger

737
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:56,660
Veer trademarked Bitcoin and they tried to say Bitcoin Cash are you happy Vinicus are you happy

738
00:36:56,660 --> 00:37:04,340
I shouted your stupid comment out could move on yeah I think it's a complete misunderstanding of

739
00:37:04,340 --> 00:37:10,180
how language works it's just I in a way I would certainly say that the fact that Omri's eCash

740
00:37:10,180 --> 00:37:17,541
went all the way down despite being a fork of a fork of a fork where like 80 to 90 percent of

741
00:37:17,541 --> 00:37:22,901
the supply must be totally inactive because it must be just people who are actual BTC owners

742
00:37:22,901 --> 00:37:27,700
who've never even heard of this and couldn't care less about it one bit and the fact that

743
00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:34,100
the price is 0.000 with like six zeros going on and that the whole trading volume is a tiny

744
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:37,781
amount of money like less than three million dollars and the entire market cap is less than

745
00:37:37,781 --> 00:37:42,580
100 million dollars in a way I think that proves that it's kind of like how everyone thinks well

746
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:48,100
we could all be Satoshi Nakamoto except for Craig Wright like Craig Wright's the only person who's

747
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:55,781
not Satoshi Nakamoto I would say that the the poor performance of the the Omri cash means it's

748
00:37:55,781 --> 00:37:59,460
like they're the only ones who cannot be called I would almost say that they're the only reason

749
00:37:59,460 --> 00:38:03,940
people are is because people prefer they need to use the words to sort things out they say I put

750
00:38:03,940 --> 00:38:10,340
all the red shirts in this bin put all the blue shirts in this bin but this is no like they've

751
00:38:10,340 --> 00:38:17,940
kind of like tried it out and failed is so but yeah this has been it's been asked about many

752
00:38:17,940 --> 00:38:21,700
times people they're very upset about it and there's nothing we can do I had a whole elaborate

753
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:28,261
plan to help make them happy and everyone can see what happened as a result I had like pages of notes

754
00:38:28,261 --> 00:38:32,180
and explanations and like a proposal for them and they invited me on their show and then they were

755
00:38:32,180 --> 00:38:36,980
just like basically swearing at me and trying to say that I'm really terrible and they didn't even

756
00:38:36,980 --> 00:38:41,621
let me get a word in edgewise and then they actually kicked me off like two sentences into

757
00:38:41,621 --> 00:38:47,220
my speech and so I had like this whole thing planned you should blame Omri for running the

758
00:38:47,220 --> 00:38:54,501
project a terrible way but yeah I think that's very funny but on the thing in the short conversation

759
00:38:54,501 --> 00:38:59,541
I had they I was like okay what about bitcoin versus bitcoin cash because of course Omri

760
00:38:59,541 --> 00:39:04,580
Sashay he's the one who created bitcoin cash so they were like oh it's completely different if

761
00:39:05,141 --> 00:39:09,460
you put cash on the end it's completely different so I was like well then what if I just put what if

762
00:39:09,460 --> 00:39:17,060
I just say eCash.com for everything and that's like kind of to be nice but also for other reasons

763
00:39:17,060 --> 00:39:23,940
that's kind of like what I did like we mostly say eCash.com for stuff so it's kind of like

764
00:39:25,141 --> 00:39:32,021
wait real quick he's happy to wait what about gay cash okay sorry Justin go um yeah let's go it

765
00:39:32,021 --> 00:39:37,700
might be a good idea to catch to buy some of this other this fork of a fork you know the one that's

766
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:46,741
180 on coin market cap just in case some of the attention that this is going to get you know pumps

767
00:39:46,741 --> 00:39:53,060
it from a fraction of a fraction of a penny up to anything and that's what I think I was thinking

768
00:39:53,060 --> 00:39:57,060
like this is the best day this is the best day they've ever had is the fact that

769
00:39:57,783 --> 00:40:04,583
they we could shine any light on their dying project so I would agree that honestly and that

770
00:40:04,583 --> 00:40:10,183
was part of what I had again I had like pages of stuff I was going to say about and I also

771
00:40:10,183 --> 00:40:15,623
messaged Omri like months before announcing it would have been when it would have been possible

772
00:40:15,623 --> 00:40:20,742
still to change the name of this project and maybe sell him eCash.com of course after the

773
00:40:20,742 --> 00:40:27,223
announcement that's completely impossible so but I messaged him before and Omri so the whole thing

774
00:40:27,223 --> 00:40:31,062
is just like honestly completely baffling and it just I think it just proves like how completely

775
00:40:31,623 --> 00:40:35,623
useless it is for anyone to even even talk to them. I might add as someone who helped

776
00:40:35,623 --> 00:40:39,863
bully Omri off of Bitcoin Cash for months and months and months the guy's a massive douchebag.

777
00:40:43,382 --> 00:40:50,103
Well I know that he's not very popular among lots of different people and even like he again he

778
00:40:50,103 --> 00:40:55,542
they split off they kind of sabotaged SegWit2x in a way which I was not a supporter of SegWit2x

779
00:40:55,542 --> 00:41:03,382
or Bitcoin Cash but I was a supporter of Bitcoin having healthy competition but they kind of split

780
00:41:03,382 --> 00:41:09,302
the vote there was SegWit2x and Bitcoin Cash then after as soon as Bitcoin Cash split off

781
00:41:10,022 --> 00:41:16,342
there was like problems with like Omri wanting to get paid and putting a mandatory like tax for

782
00:41:16,342 --> 00:41:23,463
himself so apparently he kind of like ruined Bitcoin Cash and also ruined helped ruin BTC

783
00:41:23,463 --> 00:41:29,622
as well by just you know again because the only competitor that's everyone's sole recourse but we

784
00:41:29,622 --> 00:41:35,143
have to get to the important free samurai announcement and this is very important because

785
00:41:36,342 --> 00:41:40,982
it's very arbitrary who's getting you know some people get harassed by the government and others

786
00:41:40,982 --> 00:41:46,583
don't and they've been given a very unfair and I hope I just assume that everyone's already familiar

787
00:41:46,583 --> 00:41:54,183
with the basic details but just to refresh they made a basically a Bitcoin wallet that had some

788
00:41:54,183 --> 00:41:58,503
privacy features that aren't even that weren't even that good I don't even think CoinJoin is a good

789
00:41:58,503 --> 00:42:04,742
privacy feature at all but they put out this software for free one of them is like in his

790
00:42:04,742 --> 00:42:10,982
60s and doesn't even live in the United States lives in Portugal and these are just like two

791
00:42:10,982 --> 00:42:19,062
normal guys I don't believe they really got so they actually had they were prosecuted for the

792
00:42:19,062 --> 00:42:26,262
crime of unlicensed money transmission but they had already gotten a letter from or information

793
00:42:26,262 --> 00:42:32,902
from I think the CFTC or whoever whoever it was saying that they are not a money transmitter and

794
00:42:32,902 --> 00:42:41,062
I think even the prosecution knew about this but did not disclose it during discovery or something

795
00:42:41,062 --> 00:42:46,902
so the point is they had to they ran out of money they uh because it's very difficult to go against

796
00:42:46,902 --> 00:42:51,783
the government they had to take this terrible plea deal they've been sentenced to prison for five

797
00:42:51,783 --> 00:42:59,622
years we already got the pardon with Ross Ulbricht so now people have been doing this free samurai

798
00:42:59,622 --> 00:43:04,822
stuff for a while these fundraisers and things but I was not happy with it because it's clearly

799
00:43:04,822 --> 00:43:10,422
not working and you know I ran into the uh the wife of um Rodriguez I can't remember her name

800
00:43:10,422 --> 00:43:16,342
sorry about that and Lynn Ulbricht I met Lynn Ulbricht a few times over the years of course

801
00:43:16,342 --> 00:43:21,622
she's super nice as mother of Ross Ulbricht she's she's really great but um you know they were kind

802
00:43:21,622 --> 00:43:29,223
of going around like anyway long story short I think what we should try is we need and I put out

803
00:43:29,223 --> 00:43:38,982
this out uh yesterday this is a $30,000 prize over a series of contests and the prize the contest

804
00:43:38,982 --> 00:43:46,822
goes like this we're going to try to make it our mission in life to reduce the cost of Trump

805
00:43:46,822 --> 00:43:52,182
pardoning these two and optionally more people because I think it could be to our advantage to

806
00:43:52,182 --> 00:43:56,982
staple other people to this but I'll get to that in a second we want to reduce the cost of Trump

807
00:43:56,982 --> 00:44:01,702
pardoning them as to as low as it could possibly be like imagine that the Trump people they don't

808
00:44:01,702 --> 00:44:07,383
even have five extra seconds a day we want to get so the first thing is we must assemble this giant

809
00:44:07,383 --> 00:44:13,062
document with like all the facts like in these different parts where we literally need the text

810
00:44:13,062 --> 00:44:17,383
so that they don't even have to write the text of the pardon we're just going to copy and paste

811
00:44:17,383 --> 00:44:23,462
the text from the Ross Ulbricht but the point is we're going to make this big PDF file or a

812
00:44:23,462 --> 00:44:29,703
Dropbox link or whatever it is but I think a PDF file is good that has summary the exact text the

813
00:44:29,703 --> 00:44:35,302
exact facts of the case we need like we're going to draft tweets that Trump could send

814
00:44:36,582 --> 00:44:40,503
we're going to maybe get to get see what we can put together in terms of like a photo op like when

815
00:44:40,503 --> 00:44:45,703
they did the I think it's called the ibogaine or the psychedelic legalization fast tracking

816
00:44:46,503 --> 00:44:50,022
he did that where he had Joe Rogan they have all these people come in and they pass the microphone

817
00:44:50,022 --> 00:44:55,622
around they all say oh Trump is so great for doing this that's what we need to do because we

818
00:44:55,622 --> 00:44:59,383
need to set the and the midterms are coming up we have the stand with crypto they already did a lot

819
00:44:59,383 --> 00:45:07,862
of work with this there's a 550 million 52 million voter block and we need to research you know that

820
00:45:07,862 --> 00:45:12,022
who's vulnerable in the midterms and we just put all this information in a carefully crafted

821
00:45:12,022 --> 00:45:17,783
document that's phase one and then once we have the document we just need to just get it out to

822
00:45:18,663 --> 00:45:24,663
political people of all stripes definitely including republican supporters of trump who

823
00:45:24,663 --> 00:45:29,622
may they may look at it and say oh this is a winning issue for trump we need i see we get

824
00:45:29,622 --> 00:45:33,622
libertarian of florida giving the heart which is like because this is similar to what trump did for

825
00:45:33,622 --> 00:45:38,663
libertarian party where he went to the libertarian party and said hey vote for me i'm actually a

826
00:45:38,663 --> 00:45:43,622
pretty libertarian candidate uh and he had all that stuff about you know he came and spoke at

827
00:45:44,022 --> 00:45:50,503
the libertarian national convention which the democratic candidate candidates did not uh you

828
00:45:50,503 --> 00:45:56,103
know neither biden nor or kamala did but that's what we want we want them to be fighting over

829
00:45:56,103 --> 00:46:02,182
our vote and we want when someone who is let's say let's say someone who's like a like a who is the

830
00:46:02,983 --> 00:46:06,423
who's that guy victor hansen or someone who's just like a big trump supporter

831
00:46:07,462 --> 00:46:11,783
someone who doesn't really care about crypto but we want them to see this pdf we want this to be

832
00:46:11,783 --> 00:46:17,383
the thing we're going to optimize this meme basically and try to circulate it phase two

833
00:46:18,103 --> 00:46:23,062
so that anyone who sees it will think okay this will just help trump win the election because

834
00:46:23,062 --> 00:46:28,742
it's a good issue it's a moral issue and and we all similarly we want to shop it around to

835
00:46:28,742 --> 00:46:34,503
the democratic party as well we want to say hey listen uh you could you know you could raise this

836
00:46:34,503 --> 00:46:39,862
issue of trump the issue of hypocrisy that he's leaving his 53 million voters behind if he doesn't

837
00:46:40,503 --> 00:46:46,182
and we just we just lay it out 53 million crypto owners in

838
00:46:48,182 --> 00:46:52,902
the united states and we we lay out it's not really about it's about technological progress

839
00:46:52,902 --> 00:46:57,783
and these people are not criminals they're not like you know it's going down the going down the

840
00:46:57,783 --> 00:47:01,943
train stabbing people or or breaking into people's houses and stealing stuff they're putting out open

841
00:47:01,943 --> 00:47:06,742
source software yo why are you such an asshole to paul paul you got to land the plane brother

842
00:47:06,742 --> 00:47:09,383
glad you if you're going to host the fucking space you're going to help this man what the

843
00:47:09,383 --> 00:47:12,823
hell are you doing paul you can't go on for 20 minutes about the same fucking question my guy

844
00:47:13,622 --> 00:47:16,663
seriously we got we fell asleep all right five minutes ago

845
00:47:18,263 --> 00:47:26,103
well the point is we're talking about free samurai okay thank you so go back a day to

846
00:47:26,103 --> 00:47:31,462
my tweet and follow it to the article you can win ten thousand dollars in the first phase

847
00:47:32,423 --> 00:47:36,582
so check it out it's a great opportunity for anyone who's uh

848
00:47:38,503 --> 00:47:43,943
um it's not really it has to be like a pdf it has to be like a written thing so it's probably not

849
00:47:45,622 --> 00:47:50,503
it's probably if you're like a lawyer or someone like that it's probably better for you better for

850
00:47:50,503 --> 00:47:56,663
you to try try it out but um it's very important so i don't know if anyone has any if anyone has

851
00:47:57,062 --> 00:47:59,383
if anyone has seen that or has any questions or

852
00:48:00,423 --> 00:48:04,503
or thoughts about that but please come on up and

853
00:48:07,142 --> 00:48:12,983
i just want to combine two of your points because samurai wallet was possibly one of the first

854
00:48:12,983 --> 00:48:18,823
wallets to adopt a bit 47 and they were using something that's called pain names to generate

855
00:48:18,823 --> 00:48:25,783
cute robot avatars for every user of the wallet with a dedicated vanity address like a name

856
00:48:26,423 --> 00:48:33,783
that was pretty cool and now we're trying to get them out of prison which is also cool

857
00:48:35,623 --> 00:48:41,783
so yeah everyone who heard this give it a try try to figure out how you can help the cause and maybe

858
00:48:41,783 --> 00:48:47,063
claim that bounty and also do something that's great for the entire industry because i do believe

859
00:48:47,063 --> 00:48:55,063
that bitcoin sort of died two and a few months two years ago and maybe a few months when the samurai

860
00:48:55,063 --> 00:49:03,863
developers were arrested i think a lot a lot of the privacy projects just disappeared and it seems

861
00:49:03,863 --> 00:49:10,502
like sailorism has remained as the dominant ideology in the space and then the crazy started

862
00:49:10,502 --> 00:49:16,902
with their whole filtering situation it seems like the timeline has been altered in the moment when

863
00:49:16,902 --> 00:49:23,462
these guys were arrested and honestly i was more of a fan of wasabi but also wasabi shut down after

864
00:49:23,462 --> 00:49:30,183
samurai got arrested so you know it's good to have some sort of privacy in bitcoin and it's

865
00:49:30,183 --> 00:49:36,582
really unfortunate that people like arthur hayes or whatever who was like oh dump on the plebs i

866
00:49:36,582 --> 00:49:42,983
need to buy another ferrari in the internal chats he got a pardon but for the samurai guys it's more

867
00:49:42,983 --> 00:49:49,702
difficult yeah i also want to add that the wasabi guys were probably federal agents and they are

868
00:49:49,702 --> 00:49:53,063
probably the reason the samurai guys are in jail so let's not give them too much credit

869
00:49:54,663 --> 00:50:00,342
really how so yeah so they spent their entire business model running their service so that

870
00:50:00,342 --> 00:50:03,702
they could figure out how it works behind the scenes and undermine samurai talk shit about

871
00:50:03,702 --> 00:50:07,702
them on the current on the timeline call them criminals and literally they were the number one

872
00:50:07,702 --> 00:50:14,902
haters of samurai wally to this complete bullshit dude they were doing fucking money services

873
00:50:14,902 --> 00:50:21,223
businesses without being licensed as being a money transmitter okay i i was warning all of

874
00:50:21,223 --> 00:50:26,262
those guys like two years in advance when they started doing semi-custodial fucking lightning

875
00:50:26,262 --> 00:50:30,983
payments i'm like dude you guys are gonna get fucking arrested you're gonna get taken in for

876
00:50:30,983 --> 00:50:37,303
well who are you talking about transmitter all of them fucking blue wallet fucking uh samurai yeah

877
00:50:37,303 --> 00:50:43,783
because samurai they were not into the lightning really uh anyway point being is they were doing

878
00:50:43,783 --> 00:50:50,502
semi-custodial fucking things and they were getting paid fees for it the law is very very

879
00:50:50,502 --> 00:50:56,663
clear on this they could have done everything for free and still be walking among us but

880
00:50:57,783 --> 00:51:01,382
well that's interesting i don't think the law i don't think the law is very clear

881
00:51:01,382 --> 00:51:04,822
personally it's time to find it mystifying but i think that's an interesting idea that

882
00:51:04,822 --> 00:51:10,103
if they didn't charge a fee they would be okay i'm not sure that that didn't work necessarily for

883
00:51:10,743 --> 00:51:16,582
um who's the other guy in florida well blue wallet shut down and then uh there were a couple

884
00:51:16,582 --> 00:51:21,462
others wasabi shut down they followed their cease and desist when they got it from the fucking feds

885
00:51:23,863 --> 00:51:27,543
yeah i should just point out that it's very hard to tell but both wasabi

886
00:51:27,702 --> 00:51:36,103
and samurai they hate each other and each accused the other of being a fed and just personally i do

887
00:51:36,822 --> 00:51:44,103
think that it's unlikely that the samurai devs are feds because they were arrested and prosecuted

888
00:51:44,103 --> 00:51:49,142
and then bankrupted and then put in prison so i think if anything it means that the other guys

889
00:51:49,142 --> 00:51:57,543
wasabi actually followed the cease and desist and ceased and desisted so yeah i'm not quite sure

890
00:51:57,543 --> 00:52:03,303
if that's true i don't know that much about it but why would because i know some people francis

891
00:52:03,942 --> 00:52:09,063
i think is a supporter of theirs and a user of theirs it's hard for me to imagine that he would

892
00:52:09,063 --> 00:52:16,902
do that if they ceased and desisted or if they were a fed so it's a little confusing just based

893
00:52:16,902 --> 00:52:21,783
on how little everyone knows about 110 before weighing in i'm i'm prepared to believe that

894
00:52:22,342 --> 00:52:26,822
all the people weighing in on this don't necessarily know very much about it either

895
00:52:27,702 --> 00:52:32,663
but continue an equal chance that we're all competing interests here that you know i'm a

896
00:52:32,663 --> 00:52:39,142
banker or i'm a fed or whatever even though i'm not um but the the fact of the matter is dude we're

897
00:52:39,142 --> 00:52:44,022
all crypto users and as far i wanted to comment on this eCash thing i didn't know i could just

898
00:52:44,022 --> 00:52:51,702
unmute myself uh um if there are like three projects named eCash name your shit something

899
00:52:51,702 --> 00:52:58,022
else you're you're just going to confuse people i mean and i'm not even going to get into like

900
00:52:58,022 --> 00:53:02,582
legal stuff think that they were they could be coming back on you and saying hey yo we've been

901
00:53:02,582 --> 00:53:08,183
listed on exchanges for like three years you have no right to name your shit the same as ours so

902
00:53:08,983 --> 00:53:13,783
yeah i think you're just going to confuse people and you should probably look for another name

903
00:53:14,423 --> 00:53:17,783
but we we would accept the name is we we would accept the name is not

904
00:53:19,142 --> 00:53:26,342
rebrand we we would we would we're flexible yeah the name is not changing under any

905
00:53:26,342 --> 00:53:30,183
circumstances so but that's interesting suggestion

906
00:53:34,983 --> 00:53:42,103
it'd be like if i made a vehicle and then called myself volvo or volkswagen or ford i mean dude

907
00:53:42,103 --> 00:53:50,663
really well we just we just talked about it for like 30 minutes why that's not the case but no

908
00:53:53,382 --> 00:54:00,902
yeah um what if okay what if i told you this what if i was what if there was no no volvo and i was

909
00:54:00,902 --> 00:54:09,382
going to create a volvo or ford but then someone said hey somewhere in in rural siberia there's a

910
00:54:09,382 --> 00:54:14,983
fifth grader who put out like a plastic cardboard sign and he ended up with a sharpie marker he wrote

911
00:54:14,983 --> 00:54:21,702
like volvo five dollars and he sold like like a hot wheels car but he didn't have any sales

912
00:54:22,663 --> 00:54:28,183
and no one had ever bought anything available globally and where people could participate in

913
00:54:28,183 --> 00:54:34,983
yeah no yeah because you could buy it globally but it but no one did so i'm just asking hypothetically

914
00:54:34,983 --> 00:54:40,582
would you then say that no one can ever use the name just because a five-year-old somewhere

915
00:54:41,223 --> 00:54:47,142
that's right once used it it belongs to the five-year-old right that's what you would say

916
00:54:47,942 --> 00:54:55,942
yeah that's exactly well okay i know but is there a list is there a list of every time anyone has

917
00:54:55,942 --> 00:55:03,063
ever used a name you know it's not even possible to comply with that rule well if that's the case

918
00:55:03,063 --> 00:55:10,423
then david chum really owns the term of course yes obviously yes certainly omri sashay would not

919
00:55:10,423 --> 00:55:16,423
own it it's just a matter of of confusion like i mean if you want people to pay attention to

920
00:55:16,423 --> 00:55:20,103
yours that's not what you said that's not what you said you said if there's a five year excuse me

921
00:55:20,103 --> 00:55:24,342
that's not what you said there's a case where there would be no confusion because there's a

922
00:55:24,342 --> 00:55:31,783
pointless absurd example of a of a five-year-old in antarctica where there would know it not be

923
00:55:31,783 --> 00:55:36,902
any confusion but you said no the whoever gets to it first is the owner right so do you still

924
00:55:36,902 --> 00:55:42,983
believe that yes or no yes well then it's david chum would own eCash thank you there you go

925
00:55:43,623 --> 00:55:50,103
there you go right so omri when's omri sashay going to change the name so are you going to

926
00:55:50,103 --> 00:55:56,582
change the name well i'm just i'm asking the questions here this is the kgb david chum uh

927
00:55:56,582 --> 00:56:02,822
went bankrupt and gave it up so to me it's free bang well i would think no he gave up eCash

928
00:56:04,663 --> 00:56:09,142
the regents of the university of california they would probably own his research you know

929
00:56:10,743 --> 00:56:15,623
yeah but you see this is the issue with like litigating this complex fluid thing of a name

930
00:56:15,623 --> 00:56:20,423
whereas instead it's just whoever owns the domain and you know another little

931
00:56:21,382 --> 00:56:30,423
another interesting little point that has nothing to do with us but eCash is owned by some weird

932
00:56:31,303 --> 00:56:38,342
uh company i don't even think they're in the united states that transfers money you know

933
00:56:39,303 --> 00:56:47,623
so and they and they and they own they own the uh uh copyright to it so technically

934
00:56:48,342 --> 00:56:54,183
and eCash doesn't even own even on it and and they don't care any because that's nothing to do

935
00:56:54,183 --> 00:57:02,823
with blockchain so at least that's what grock said maybe grock lied to me yeah but this is really not

936
00:57:02,823 --> 00:57:08,183
fair because i can come up with a company and name it bitcoin and say that i'm producing physical

937
00:57:08,183 --> 00:57:14,502
coins that have bits on them and whatever and then claim the trademark this is open source software

938
00:57:14,502 --> 00:57:20,022
that we're talking about and these trademarks like we're not really companies building real

939
00:57:20,022 --> 00:57:27,463
products we are open source projects that ship software and have users and advocates and marketers

940
00:57:27,463 --> 00:57:33,543
and whatever so it's very different as a business model compared to a company that's actually in

941
00:57:33,543 --> 00:57:40,262
brick and mortar world building something which is tangible so it's a lot more delicate when it

942
00:57:40,262 --> 00:57:46,183
comes to internet trademarks and domains and whatever even in the world of domain you have

943
00:57:46,183 --> 00:57:52,423
an expiration date you register it up to a certain point and as soon as you stop paying or you go

944
00:57:52,423 --> 00:57:59,703
bankrupt you lose it and i don't think it's fair especially in this world where we had craig wright

945
00:57:59,703 --> 00:58:05,463
that was suing developers and trying to pat and troll everyone in the space that it was necessary

946
00:58:05,463 --> 00:58:12,742
for an association to get brought up and make claims against his claims just to be able to

947
00:58:15,463 --> 00:58:22,982
well defeat him in court or whatever so it's really not cool that we we go back to trademarks

948
00:58:22,982 --> 00:58:28,022
and whatever like if someone wants to use the same name of course it's going to be confusing for some

949
00:58:28,022 --> 00:58:34,423
users but it's a free market and in the end it's going to be the market that chooses can i just add

950
00:58:34,423 --> 00:58:39,063
that i just went to bitcoin talk you know one of the holiest of data resources in the space

951
00:58:39,063 --> 00:58:45,463
and i typed in eCash and ethereum cash from 2017 is sitting right there on bitcoin talk.com so we're

952
00:58:45,463 --> 00:58:49,943
gonna have to go talk to that developer and get his permission yeah exactly you know many people

953
00:58:49,943 --> 00:58:55,943
have fed a mint it was it was a version of chow mein eCash is cashew eCash product they call

954
00:58:55,943 --> 00:59:02,262
themselves eCash so that's why the whole thing is absurd yep yeah and as i said it's like saying

955
00:59:02,262 --> 00:59:09,783
you have email or e-scooter or something and it's just it is but it is the nsa has a paper from

956
00:59:09,783 --> 00:59:18,982
1996 that says um electronic cash yeah it's a very generic name water.com or something so it's not

957
00:59:18,982 --> 00:59:24,343
like i don't the the real reason behind all this is that i think omri knows that his project is

958
00:59:24,343 --> 00:59:32,262
basically dying and that the eCash name is basically the only shred of real value that

959
00:59:32,262 --> 00:59:38,022
contains and so this is the final nail in the coffin for him and the the dev tax that he

960
00:59:38,742 --> 00:59:44,343
kind of extracts and so so i feel bad for him but also i would plan on killing every single

961
00:59:44,902 --> 00:59:51,142
altcoin including btc now i don't know if we'll succeed but that's the that's the plan so i really

962
00:59:51,142 --> 00:59:57,703
it's bizarre to shed any tear for something that's ranked 175 our wonderful friend freedom

963
00:59:57,703 --> 01:00:03,303
monk gave us the eCash chart it's down 78 over one year uh so i put that up top for reference

964
01:00:03,303 --> 01:00:08,343
while we're discussing yeah it's it's quite funny that it's it's from it's very very very like we

965
01:00:08,343 --> 01:00:16,982
would never no one on earth can even name the top 177 or whatever 167 that are ahead of in line

966
01:00:16,982 --> 01:00:21,142
there's no no one would be able to name them all because many of them are just

967
01:00:21,329 --> 01:00:25,889
you know by the time you cross onto the second page of coinmarketcap you're already in the graveyard

968
01:00:25,889 --> 01:00:28,529
these are the these are the failed projects that have been tried already

969
01:00:29,089 --> 01:00:35,249
and so these are already on the eliminated these are the eliminated list oh i just wanted to point

970
01:00:35,249 --> 01:00:41,329
out my my objection is not adversarial toward you or your project or anything like that

971
01:00:41,329 --> 01:00:48,208
i'm talking about for you as trying to be a successful project you should probably have a

972
01:00:48,288 --> 01:00:55,169
very unique name something that doesn't like completely separates you from the previous

973
01:00:55,169 --> 01:01:03,729
projects that's all i'm saying yeah but it does though yeah whatever i mean you know your project

974
01:01:03,729 --> 01:01:10,448
will will probably succeed or fail on its own merits so i agree i think the name is not that

975
01:01:10,448 --> 01:01:15,088
important and you wouldn't believe the amount of bike shedding i get every day about every single

976
01:01:15,088 --> 01:01:20,529
thing about oh should we change the color to this or whatever and a lot of it is ultimately not that

977
01:01:20,529 --> 01:01:25,009
important but this is what people like to do is they like to get involved on the decision that

978
01:01:25,009 --> 01:01:29,649
they can control and so anyway no one wants to talk more about free samurai that's the most

979
01:01:29,649 --> 01:01:34,049
important thing okay thirty thousand dollars ten thousand dollars over the next two weeks

980
01:01:34,689 --> 01:01:40,369
oh i'm definitely getting in throwing my hat in the ring when we were at uh in vegas doing our

981
01:01:41,329 --> 01:01:50,848
our little happy hour thing um the uh the wife um of the the main guy rodriguez wife yes mrs

982
01:01:50,848 --> 01:01:54,449
rodriguez we should just call her that i don't know why because i can't remember her name either

983
01:01:54,449 --> 01:02:01,809
yeah she she came up i don't know why she came up to me and and and and she was all nervous and she

984
01:02:02,608 --> 01:02:10,848
said do you think he'll he'll get him out and and and i and i'll and i said i'll tell you what i

985
01:02:10,848 --> 01:02:19,649
told lynn olbright i i said i said it's it's not a matter of if but but when it obviously is only in

986
01:02:19,649 --> 01:02:27,409
for five years but i truly believe that that either the president or somebody will step in because

987
01:02:27,409 --> 01:02:34,368
now i i i fully support him and they've already they already gave up like what 350 million dollars

988
01:02:34,368 --> 01:02:39,569
was seized or something some some insane amount and this is something i wanted to bring up

989
01:02:40,368 --> 01:02:45,569
which is that okay and so other similar if we staple more people in there are other people

990
01:02:45,569 --> 01:02:51,728
have paid fines as well now it's a big difference between getting the quoted sentence versus the

991
01:02:51,728 --> 01:02:57,168
full and unconditional pardon which is that the pardon i think that you either get that like

992
01:02:57,168 --> 01:03:04,209
refunded or you don't have to pay the i'm not exactly sure but there are i think you there's

993
01:03:04,209 --> 01:03:09,888
like different levels of the pardon and my guess is that trump does not care one bit what line of

994
01:03:09,888 --> 01:03:15,649
text it says on the pardon after you know he's decided that he's gonna the people are wrongfully

995
01:03:15,649 --> 01:03:20,769
imprisoned so i'm just you know i'm just throwing this out here i'm not trying to say any kind of

996
01:03:20,769 --> 01:03:30,209
quid pro quo or anything but between okay we got a free talk live guy uh ian freeman right and uh

997
01:03:30,209 --> 01:03:35,329
roger veer and so we stapled like six other names into this i'm not saying we necessarily should

998
01:03:35,329 --> 01:03:41,409
but it's probably not it might make it easier to get the pardon because we could pool support from

999
01:03:41,409 --> 01:03:47,888
different people and who knows there might actually be lots of money unlocked so i'm not going to say

1000
01:03:47,888 --> 01:03:55,008
like giant you know inflow of cash like giant party if we succeed or whatever but spf is spf in

1001
01:03:55,008 --> 01:04:01,489
this list or not well you know the thing i think that would make it much harder but i think well

1002
01:04:01,489 --> 01:04:05,728
the funny thing about spf of course is that as everyone's pointed out he was apparently like a

1003
01:04:05,728 --> 01:04:09,968
savant investor because if he had just invested his own money in all this stuff that he bought

1004
01:04:09,968 --> 01:04:16,289
he would make billions yeah he made an absurd amount so the moral of the story kids is if

1005
01:04:16,289 --> 01:04:21,409
you're in a genius investor just invest your own money don't invest don't steal other people's

1006
01:04:21,409 --> 01:04:27,649
money that they left they left with you yeah i just read something similar last few days ago

1007
01:04:27,649 --> 01:04:31,888
that's the moral of the story is that yeah i know he would be fine because people are like wow if he

1008
01:04:31,888 --> 01:04:37,969
had just whatever then yeah big if because he absolutely did the wrong thing and he's very

1009
01:04:37,969 --> 01:04:43,008
unpopular too it would be interesting like who knows how much crypto sam beckman freed and his

1010
01:04:43,008 --> 01:04:49,568
parents always people have my i have no idea because you would think you would think if trump

1011
01:04:49,568 --> 01:04:53,728
because everyone's always talking about how corrupt trump is right this is a very very common talking

1012
01:04:53,728 --> 01:05:01,168
point about oh everything's for sale but the fact that sam bangman freed is still in prison to me

1013
01:05:01,168 --> 01:05:07,329
that would kind of prove that either sam bangman free doesn't have that much money anymore or you

1014
01:05:07,329 --> 01:05:11,489
know trump is not everything's not for sale i mean doesn't that prove it seems like that just that's

1015
01:05:11,489 --> 01:05:16,848
a piece of evidence that just flies or completely this is all a waiting game to get the most

1016
01:05:16,848 --> 01:05:21,249
extraction out of him when he finally decides he's gonna pay i would believe that i would believe that

1017
01:05:21,249 --> 01:05:26,929
as well but i would think you know i think after the first two or three months i don't believe he

1018
01:05:26,929 --> 01:05:33,089
was real that i mean there's no way in hell he went around the world for five years in nothing

1019
01:05:33,089 --> 01:05:39,969
but short khaki shorts and a t-shirt and sandals and lecturing fucking legislators and regulators

1020
01:05:39,969 --> 01:05:46,529
about how to do their job and that he wasn't licensed with anybody he didn't even apply for a

1021
01:05:46,529 --> 01:05:53,969
fucking bit license so you want to tell me the nydfs sat there and listened to his bullshit

1022
01:05:53,969 --> 01:06:00,769
without even asking he paid many many different campaigns yeah he he donated and also he would

1023
01:06:00,769 --> 01:06:05,809
say stuff like well we have to operate in the bahamas because the u.s regulations are too

1024
01:06:05,809 --> 01:06:09,969
but he then he was trying to say we should improve the u.s regulation so that we can

1025
01:06:09,969 --> 01:06:15,809
move back to the united states so he did say a lot of weird stuff so he was actually required

1026
01:06:15,809 --> 01:06:22,209
by the nydfs to have a fucking bit license by virtue of the fact he had customers in new york

1027
01:06:22,209 --> 01:06:26,608
but yeah but doesn't he operate in the bahamas though and it's crypto there's no bank account

1028
01:06:26,608 --> 01:06:33,809
asked him about it no one ever i would believe that about it that's why i say he's fake didn't

1029
01:06:33,809 --> 01:06:41,728
exist just a fucking uh money laundering mill for the democrats hello everyone if possible

1030
01:06:41,728 --> 01:06:47,568
hello yes i'm sorry go ahead paul oh i thought you were going to say something

1031
01:06:50,049 --> 01:06:54,448
the point is we got this free samurai thing i think we could do it if we just rolled up

1032
01:06:54,448 --> 01:07:00,128
our sleeves a little bit okay midterms are coming up people are worried trump wants a mandate

1033
01:07:00,128 --> 01:07:08,288
democrats want to counter mandate uh elections are coming up we got a big voting block 52 53

1034
01:07:08,288 --> 01:07:13,408
million people there's lots of money there's lots of talent so we need to assemble we need to make

1035
01:07:13,408 --> 01:07:21,168
it so that my model my working model is that the trump campaign the trump staffers the republican

1036
01:07:21,168 --> 01:07:27,249
party they're very very very very busy so they need we need they need us to make this pdf so

1037
01:07:27,249 --> 01:07:31,489
that they can just print it out add it to their stack of stuff to read when they're on a plane or

1038
01:07:31,489 --> 01:07:36,608
something some junior staffer somewhere reads through it and they decide you know what this

1039
01:07:36,608 --> 01:07:40,128
has been researched very very thoroughly here are all the exact facts this is the worst case

1040
01:07:40,128 --> 01:07:46,529
scenario what we say all the bad stuff up front also we say all the facts so we say listen this

1041
01:07:46,529 --> 01:07:53,809
is a voting block it will make elizabeth warren and her war on crypto look bad it will make trump

1042
01:07:53,888 --> 01:07:58,049
look gracious we can put together we'll get we'll see who we can get to volunteer

1043
01:07:58,049 --> 01:08:03,969
ideally we would be able to get you know jesse from kraken brian armstrong all these people

1044
01:08:03,969 --> 01:08:10,128
to agree to go to the white house for a photo op and pass on the microphone and say

1045
01:08:11,489 --> 01:08:16,769
that it's so great that trump is supporting open source so ideally we would get that will we get

1046
01:08:16,769 --> 01:08:21,649
all that i don't know but we'll see you know if people if we can get people to volunteer that

1047
01:08:21,649 --> 01:08:28,128
would be really really good i don't know if we will be able to but we can at least i would draft

1048
01:08:28,128 --> 01:08:32,128
we could draft like you know tweets and stuff that trump can send and say the whole thing is

1049
01:08:32,128 --> 01:08:37,888
a witch hunt organized by the democrats which is basically true because it was all started in 2022

1050
01:08:39,649 --> 01:08:41,809
with the the dark times

1051
01:08:42,209 --> 01:08:48,769
um so that's free samurai so hopefully if anyone has any ideas of at all of any kind

1052
01:08:49,728 --> 01:08:56,128
please uh please send me a message unironically unironically the culture has to become something

1053
01:08:56,128 --> 01:09:00,849
along the lines of like there needs to be meme coins popping up on solana to get the

1054
01:09:00,849 --> 01:09:05,888
motherfucker out of jail type vibes uh at that at that level of like you know it needs to be a

1055
01:09:06,688 --> 01:09:11,649
at that level of like you know it needs to be a narrative right now it's very low-key underground

1056
01:09:11,649 --> 01:09:16,448
only people don't most people never use this kind of software or bitcoin or whatever i never used

1057
01:09:17,808 --> 01:09:21,729
yes they don't even understand like what this guy if he even did anything wrong they just kind of

1058
01:09:21,729 --> 01:09:26,209
think like crab like oh he broke the law and then that's why we need to have this this counter

1059
01:09:26,849 --> 01:09:33,008
antibody meme pdf where just this is the one-stop pdf and it's like a table of contents and it just

1060
01:09:33,008 --> 01:09:38,368
has everything you need to know and there's no lies in it and there's just well no i don't

1061
01:09:38,368 --> 01:09:42,609
know if that matters look at look at look at all the like the big big big events people don't look

1062
01:09:42,609 --> 01:09:47,169
at the details of what happens with like the guy that well maybe not but we need to put it all in

1063
01:09:47,169 --> 01:09:50,688
one place to make it as easy as possible so that everyone knows this is the one stop i think it

1064
01:09:50,688 --> 01:09:55,888
needs to be less is more simple there's going to be a one-page summary on the top people can't

1065
01:09:57,169 --> 01:10:02,849
needs to be auto pin friendly yeah people don't know how to read in 2026 have you looked at the

1066
01:10:02,849 --> 01:10:08,289
literacy rate uh right it's fucked that is i think you're onto something there but the pardon

1067
01:10:08,289 --> 01:10:12,529
is in the form of a written document so it's going to have to become a pdf at some point

1068
01:10:12,529 --> 01:10:16,209
can we do like a tiktok dance that would be helpful unironically

1069
01:10:18,128 --> 01:10:23,568
tiktok dances to free roman storm and if that would help then we could try it but i don't

1070
01:10:23,568 --> 01:10:29,089
think that it will help i think what will help is if we have actual numbers on these are the

1071
01:10:29,089 --> 01:10:37,169
voters who will be voting in the midterms x percent of them own crypto so wouldn't you like

1072
01:10:37,169 --> 01:10:41,649
to have a nice talking point and we'll here's a list of people who will retweet your tweet

1073
01:10:42,368 --> 01:10:46,769
here's a list of people who do photo op and again we could donate if it was about money

1074
01:10:46,769 --> 01:10:50,769
we could donate to you know super packs or whatever like i'm not gonna lie ross didn't

1075
01:10:50,769 --> 01:10:55,729
get out because of money ross got out because of his mother and the fact that everybody was

1076
01:10:55,729 --> 01:10:59,808
talking about free ross for so long that yeah i know but how do you think that happens it takes

1077
01:10:59,808 --> 01:11:04,928
it takes well yeah you gotta start somewhere right even charles was talking about it so the

1078
01:11:04,928 --> 01:11:11,089
best way to virally yeah i know the idea is the simpler social media blast type situation

1079
01:11:13,089 --> 01:11:19,329
yeah but i think writing it all out no well you might be right but if so i kind of am concerned

1080
01:11:19,329 --> 01:11:24,928
for the world because i think i think you have to have it kind of both ways where you need

1081
01:11:25,729 --> 01:11:33,248
there has to be some substance to it i don't think it's just pure vibes you know like if it is then

1082
01:11:35,329 --> 01:11:38,368
you know it's kind of like maybe the vibes will just change and they'll just throw everyone in

1083
01:11:38,368 --> 01:11:43,808
jail again you know it's kind of like at the end of the day i think it's like live by the

1084
01:11:43,808 --> 01:11:47,649
vibe die by the vibe you know whereas the substance is a little bit more

1085
01:11:49,808 --> 01:11:54,769
it's harder to change when it's so connected to reality itself so i think that the people

1086
01:11:54,849 --> 01:11:58,128
still respect that even if no one reads they may glance they may open the pdf

1087
01:11:58,688 --> 01:12:05,568
glance at it for 14 seconds and think ah it seemed like someone figured this out and then

1088
01:12:05,568 --> 01:12:11,488
just decide to go along with it and i and if so then i'll take it maybe we should wait until the

1089
01:12:11,488 --> 01:12:19,808
clarity act is passed i don't think we should wait pause i don't think we should wait well

1090
01:12:19,808 --> 01:12:25,409
maybe but i think we should just assume that you should never wait for feds or bankers

1091
01:12:27,089 --> 01:12:32,448
i think we should just assume it's going to go very slowly busting him out of jail can we just

1092
01:12:32,448 --> 01:12:38,529
do that please bust him out yeah well the problem with that is then they will find him later so he

1093
01:12:38,529 --> 01:12:43,729
won't be able to just uh walk around and hang out with his wife and stuff so that's not really

1094
01:12:44,609 --> 01:12:48,289
that big of an upgrade he did voluntarily surrender like a dumb ass instead of going

1095
01:12:48,289 --> 01:12:57,409
to mexico god damn it remember ross had a uh had a a big big thing uh his the guy who's still in

1096
01:12:57,409 --> 01:13:02,209
prison had a uh had a big plan on getting ross out of prison he said he was going to get a

1097
01:13:02,209 --> 01:13:08,928
helicopter and go over the over the over the yard and he was going to reach down and grab his arm

1098
01:13:08,928 --> 01:13:13,888
and pick him up off the off the field yeah yeah like so here's what i'm trying to this is what

1099
01:13:13,888 --> 01:13:17,888
i'm trying to say though i'm not joking like obviously this is serious i am just illustrating

1100
01:13:17,969 --> 01:13:23,969
that these memes are far more entertaining to talk about people will last they will they will

1101
01:13:23,969 --> 01:13:29,008
make memes about breaking samurai dev out of jail etc etc far more than they will have an honest

1102
01:13:29,008 --> 01:13:34,688
adult discussion about this okay that's what i'm saying yeah but i think so like how did ross end

1103
01:13:34,688 --> 01:13:40,289
up with all that stuff about hashtag free ross and uh no but how do you end up with hashtag how do

1104
01:13:40,289 --> 01:13:43,488
you end up with all these people talking about it which is that the people realize that it's

1105
01:13:43,649 --> 01:13:49,969
their own interest no i agree yeah i agree but that's what that's what i you want people to

1106
01:13:49,969 --> 01:13:54,448
you show people something someone who doesn't care about this like i was talking about victor

1107
01:13:54,448 --> 01:14:01,008
davis hanson or someone like that where by the way he he certainly reads and uh you know a

1108
01:14:01,008 --> 01:14:06,769
tucker carlson or whatever which maybe he can read i don't know it's unclear but i got that

1109
01:14:06,769 --> 01:14:10,529
these type of people where you would show them this thing and they would look at it and they

1110
01:14:10,529 --> 01:14:15,329
would say it doesn't it doesn't matter what they think about crypto or samurai they would

1111
01:14:15,329 --> 01:14:21,089
just read it and they would think okay the pardon would help trump win because it would result in

1112
01:14:21,089 --> 01:14:27,808
this photo op it was all result in these grateful people it is this huge voting 53 million voting

1113
01:14:27,808 --> 01:14:35,568
demographic so they would then they would say purely to help trump win or i don't know what

1114
01:14:35,568 --> 01:14:39,329
tucker carlson wants these days because they haven't looked in a while but assuming that

1115
01:14:39,329 --> 01:14:45,568
he's still conservative they would they would add it into their their stuff of stuff to say

1116
01:14:45,568 --> 01:14:51,329
and then eventually you end up okay but how often did we discuss when we talked about free ross how

1117
01:14:51,329 --> 01:14:56,289
often did we discuss the fact that the fbi agents were now in jail they broke the law over and over

1118
01:14:56,289 --> 01:15:01,729
like all this sometimes no i knew about it i i knew about it you guys are two of the biggest

1119
01:15:01,729 --> 01:15:05,729
fucking nerds i know on crypto twitter okay first yeah but that's what i'm saying is it starts with

1120
01:15:06,688 --> 01:15:10,928
it's like there's some people are easy to get and other people are hard to get most most people just

1121
01:15:10,928 --> 01:15:14,928
do hashtag free ross even though if he killed the guy or not whatever yeah but they copy

1122
01:15:15,568 --> 01:15:21,329
but they copy the smart people they like they copy the guy he was supposed to kill if anybody

1123
01:15:21,329 --> 01:15:25,649
cares oh my god it's green he's here he was the guy who

1124
01:15:28,368 --> 01:15:33,008
he survived though you see the point though like they don't care about a lot of the details is my

1125
01:15:33,008 --> 01:15:37,888
point they just say a lot of people don't but some people do so we need the hashtag free

1126
01:15:39,089 --> 01:15:41,568
but i think what paul is saying is the influential people

1127
01:15:43,729 --> 01:15:47,248
they will want to know that it's not they will want to know that it's not just a lie

1128
01:15:48,368 --> 01:15:53,329
like ansem and fucking these idiots you sorry you they that's the retarded influence this

1129
01:15:53,329 --> 01:15:56,849
industry now and you guys are kind of washed out i'm sorry let's be real me too

1130
01:15:58,529 --> 01:16:02,289
like we got to get the memes so we got to get the memers on this shit we can't just rely on

1131
01:16:02,289 --> 01:16:09,248
the bitcoin retard maxis okay dude i i tried warning samurai wallet and and tornado cash and

1132
01:16:09,248 --> 01:16:15,248
those guys when they were starting their business and i was looking at what their thing did i'm like

1133
01:16:15,248 --> 01:16:19,729
you guys are going to get pulled out for for fucking money transmitting whether or not you're

1134
01:16:19,729 --> 01:16:26,209
actually guilty of it that doesn't matter it's it's how they choose to interpret the law and as

1135
01:16:26,209 --> 01:16:31,329
far as ross ulbricht is concerned he he never should have gone to prison he fucking made a

1136
01:16:31,329 --> 01:16:35,488
website that's all he was responsible for well yeah you could say the same about the privacy

1137
01:16:35,488 --> 01:16:39,488
devs though so like why are we here because the memes aren't strong enough and the government

1138
01:16:39,488 --> 01:16:43,329
didn't understand that there's like a bunch of people here that are going to do this regardless

1139
01:16:43,329 --> 01:16:50,209
and they should just chill well the difference there is that those services actually compete

1140
01:16:50,209 --> 01:16:54,609
with banks you know yeah but six floats still online and no one's going to go after them you

1141
01:16:54,609 --> 01:16:57,808
can't you don't even know who they are because they're criminals and and like that's what we're

1142
01:16:57,808 --> 01:17:02,209
going to get stuck with if they don't let the honest guys build privacy tech like they know that

1143
01:17:02,209 --> 01:17:07,409
right they should know that like they're not they're not getting side shift they're not getting

1144
01:17:07,409 --> 01:17:11,089
fixed float they're not getting any of these guys because they're in russia and shit using

1145
01:17:11,089 --> 01:17:17,248
decentralized protocols like that's smart on them then well they're gonna break the law okay these

1146
01:17:17,248 --> 01:17:21,568
guys are trying to follow the law and like dox themselves and be american about it and they get

1147
01:17:21,568 --> 01:17:25,568
fucked like how is that cool we need to make the memes about breaking them out of jail because

1148
01:17:25,568 --> 01:17:29,168
that's the popular thing to get everyone to be like what the fuck are these guys talking about

1149
01:17:29,168 --> 01:17:34,288
oh these americans went to jail for privacy tech that's it done shut the fuck up let them digest

1150
01:17:34,288 --> 01:17:38,369
that all right that's it well you guys go hard with all this okay shit now but i think here's

1151
01:17:38,369 --> 01:17:44,609
the thing i think the two strategies complement each other because memes are funny and they get

1152
01:17:44,609 --> 01:17:50,288
people's attention they spread quickly and they're great but i think you still need to have something

1153
01:17:50,288 --> 01:17:55,329
where someone says what's all this about then you can just be like bang link them to the pdf

1154
01:17:55,329 --> 01:17:58,849
and then just then just drop the issue and ignore them and you can be like well hey all everything

1155
01:17:58,849 --> 01:18:05,808
you need to know is in here and you can read it if you want or you can just not read it but here

1156
01:18:05,808 --> 01:18:12,768
it is so i think that the two the two strategies i think complement each other um anyway phase two

1157
01:18:14,288 --> 01:18:22,528
all right now what are you doing again with the you're running some sort of contest on yes i am

1158
01:18:23,329 --> 01:18:29,729
for the free samurai guys to write a that's right okay and i'll go check out your site i have a big

1159
01:18:29,729 --> 01:18:37,408
outline to get people started i'm sure the outline plus fable will probably get us like eighty percent

1160
01:18:37,408 --> 01:18:41,329
of the way there and then i'm hoping because it's a contest you have to win you have to beat the

1161
01:18:41,329 --> 01:18:47,329
other people prizes for first second and third eight thousand for first place thousand for second

1162
01:18:47,329 --> 01:18:55,249
thousand for second and third place then we revise it twice and the and i think just just

1163
01:18:55,249 --> 01:19:00,528
free alpha for all of you listening the winner will probably be someone who who combines it with

1164
01:19:01,329 --> 01:19:08,528
the probably at least ian freeman uh it's hard though because it's hard to really replicate

1165
01:19:08,528 --> 01:19:14,768
the context of how small bitcoin was in 2014 and even roger veer was accused of like misreporting

1166
01:19:14,768 --> 01:19:18,928
his bitcoin taxes in like 2013 which is like are you kidding me in 2013 if you called up

1167
01:19:19,648 --> 01:19:23,009
the irs and you said i want to pay taxes on my bitcoin they would have just laughed at you

1168
01:19:23,568 --> 01:19:28,448
and instead roger hired this super expensive world-class law firm and i'm certain that he

1169
01:19:28,448 --> 01:19:34,528
did exactly whatever they told him to do oh yeah who knows if they even knew just the point is

1170
01:19:35,969 --> 01:19:42,129
he had two months um the statute of limitation was two months before the the feds nailed him

1171
01:19:44,849 --> 01:19:51,489
clearly they you know i think it's clear to me that they wanted to make an example out of him

1172
01:19:51,489 --> 01:19:57,889
just because he was a very prominent bitcoiner which is really sad well and he also pissed off

1173
01:19:57,889 --> 01:20:04,048
a lot of traditional bitcoiners and i think they had a vendetta against him and so we had a lot of

1174
01:20:04,048 --> 01:20:11,808
enemies and enemies and so they they they pushed the government um uh to to kind of do that that's

1175
01:20:11,808 --> 01:20:17,889
my opinion anyway but it was yeah it's very easy for me to believe that certain people

1176
01:20:18,072 --> 01:20:23,672
shall remain nameless but they could have easily like compiled an extremely specific

1177
01:20:24,312 --> 01:20:30,872
technical document because there's like the 15 finders fee also so it's very easy for me to

1178
01:20:30,872 --> 01:20:37,352
believe that one of roger veer's haters made like a giant report like what i'm saying about samurai

1179
01:20:37,352 --> 01:20:42,951
but evil version and uh and sort of sent it over and kind of you want that's what we want to do

1180
01:20:42,951 --> 01:20:46,951
with the free samurai thing we want to serve it on a silver platter we want to say here's all the

1181
01:20:46,951 --> 01:20:53,031
facts we did all the work here's all the ways in which arguably maybe they were guilty just to put

1182
01:20:53,031 --> 01:20:57,432
that in there so that trump knows that he could trust in trump's team know that they could trust

1183
01:20:57,432 --> 01:21:01,671
the document because they're already in prison so it's like whatever we should put stuff you

1184
01:21:01,671 --> 01:21:07,752
know we should put anything in there that helps them trust the the integrity of the document and

1185
01:21:07,752 --> 01:21:12,711
then uh so that's what we need to do we got to serve it up on a silver platter so that they don't

1186
01:21:12,711 --> 01:21:17,191
have to lift a finger every time they check something in the document they found oh this is

1187
01:21:17,191 --> 01:21:24,951
this document is exactly accurate everything in here is true so that when we say that this is a

1188
01:21:24,951 --> 01:21:32,152
totally pointless crime about people writing open source code and this is nothing at all like

1189
01:21:33,112 --> 01:21:39,351
unlicensed money transmission and and there's enormous amounts of actual fraud taking place in

1190
01:21:39,351 --> 01:21:45,112
other systems that's never prosecuted and this whole thing is ideological and that it's a

1191
01:21:45,112 --> 01:21:49,832
chilling effect on innovation and entrepreneurship so they believe all that when we actually say that

1192
01:21:49,832 --> 01:21:53,832
and then he just says yeah whatever trump's like yeah i'll have he needs a photo op on a random

1193
01:21:53,832 --> 01:22:02,392
wednesday and we can make that happen for him at least i hope we can i could call in a few favors

1194
01:22:03,031 --> 01:22:09,591
hopefully we get some people to volunteer to go obviously trump is an extremely controversial

1195
01:22:09,591 --> 01:22:15,112
figure i think someone using ai slop to make an ai slop break them at a jail video game on flash

1196
01:22:15,112 --> 01:22:19,192
uh put it on a website that would probably get way more engagement and success than like we could

1197
01:22:19,192 --> 01:22:23,991
actually get some momentum here than us having a pipe dream of donald trump saving our ass like

1198
01:22:23,991 --> 01:22:28,872
are you guys serious well what do you mean other than that about breaking them out we have to ask

1199
01:22:29,111 --> 01:22:33,512
them out we have to ask the next guy donald trump's not doing shit for you bro are you kidding me

1200
01:22:34,072 --> 01:22:40,152
well it won't matter because it's a five-year timeline so the reason they're in jail

1201
01:22:41,512 --> 01:22:44,152
and the wasabi devs are not is because the wasabi devs

1202
01:22:44,792 --> 01:22:50,471
followed the um finson um blacklist or blacklisted coins

1203
01:22:50,471 --> 01:22:58,952
i don't know that may be true that could easily be true i don't know enough about it

1204
01:22:59,911 --> 01:23:06,631
um it could be but the reason why we have to try something like railgun right now on ethereum

1205
01:23:06,631 --> 01:23:13,351
is allowed and also why tornado cash is still around but they have this filtering where they

1206
01:23:13,351 --> 01:23:19,512
receive from blockchain analysis firms a list of UTXOs that are not supposed actually on ethereum

1207
01:23:19,512 --> 01:23:25,991
they don't have UTXOs they they have accounts addresses so they do have like a list of

1208
01:23:25,991 --> 01:23:30,392
participants that they're not allowing to join and maybe that's what makes them fine

1209
01:23:31,271 --> 01:23:38,872
honestly what i think got the samurai developers in trouble was the social media activity where

1210
01:23:38,872 --> 01:23:43,751
i think after the ukraine war started they were tweeting well russian oligarchs if you want to

1211
01:23:43,751 --> 01:23:49,672
launder your money or whatever come use samurai or whatever so i think that's what got them in

1212
01:23:49,672 --> 01:23:54,631
trouble the speech it wasn't necessarily the tool itself it was the perception of what you can do

1213
01:23:54,631 --> 01:24:02,631
with the tool um i agree i think they had very edgy marketing which was terrible when they

1214
01:24:04,711 --> 01:24:12,711
they had to like have they're in a situation where you know the prosecution could have like

1215
01:24:12,711 --> 01:24:17,191
printed that up and make a big poster board of the tweet and like showing it to the jury

1216
01:24:17,191 --> 01:24:22,551
and it wouldn't look out of context or when it not as a joke it would look really bad

1217
01:24:23,351 --> 01:24:30,631
so i would completely agree um the reason we have to try now because i just want to

1218
01:24:30,631 --> 01:24:37,031
quickly say we have to try now because the midterms will be over soon and then if

1219
01:24:37,832 --> 01:24:47,351
david bipp 110 fake fake 110 is right that we have to go to the next president that will already

1220
01:24:47,351 --> 01:24:51,672
be another like two and a half years so there'll already be like three and a half years into the

1221
01:24:51,672 --> 01:24:57,911
five-year sentence and so kind of just like won't be as worth it so this is the only time

1222
01:24:59,512 --> 01:25:04,952
i want to say everyone to please donate to curtis green to his gofundme and then

1223
01:25:05,911 --> 01:25:13,431
specifically i know that i read his curtis's book he's here on stage and that i wanted to say that

1224
01:25:13,431 --> 01:25:19,512
you can if there was some way that we could petition the government to give you back the

1225
01:25:19,512 --> 01:25:25,591
bitcoin that you legally mined that's rightfully yours and that was mined on your computers in a

1226
01:25:25,591 --> 01:25:32,311
such a way that they can save face and not make them look bad that would be the the best way to

1227
01:25:32,552 --> 01:25:37,112
do it but i don't know how to how that would go about or how to do that

1228
01:25:41,911 --> 01:25:50,072
yeah everyone should donate to curtis greens go find me um hopefully you can find the link to it

1229
01:25:50,952 --> 01:25:56,871
someone put the link hopefully um that would hurt i'm just gonna be real with you brother

1230
01:25:56,871 --> 01:26:02,151
you're probably better off launching a salon of shit coin getting over with my man uh welcome

1231
01:26:02,151 --> 01:26:06,631
back to the the mud uh let me just say the mud is the best metaphor you can give it

1232
01:26:09,031 --> 01:26:12,712
and all these fucking assholes ain't donating shit they're assholes now bro they don't they

1233
01:26:12,712 --> 01:26:16,151
don't got no libertarians left around this bitch they're all a bunch of salon of shit coiners

1234
01:26:16,712 --> 01:26:19,591
they always want to fork each other's shit and talk shit about each other behind each other's

1235
01:26:19,591 --> 01:26:25,272
back and work with fucking chinese government and praise the fucking of wallahi's michael

1236
01:26:25,272 --> 01:26:29,672
saylor bought more coins like i don't know you the better way is just to drop the salon of shitter i

1237
01:26:29,672 --> 01:26:35,351
think and then be like i'm the guy that you know etc salon of shitter had here's my banner here's my

1238
01:26:35,351 --> 01:26:48,392
ticker uh it's probably easier you're probably right you know like uh maybe if curtis you could

1239
01:26:48,392 --> 01:26:53,672
like talk to some lawyers maybe you know uh make some kind of contingency arrangement and go after

1240
01:26:53,672 --> 01:26:57,751
those bitcoin that would be cool you know it's something you might take off it's a reasonable

1241
01:26:57,751 --> 01:27:06,151
shot yeah it's a good idea yeah there's there's so many you know my my where i screwed up was

1242
01:27:06,151 --> 01:27:11,512
i only had like so many years um because the cops violated my civil rights

1243
01:27:12,311 --> 01:27:17,591
and um i didn't know that i was just getting myself out of my own mess and

1244
01:27:17,591 --> 01:27:21,832
had i paid more attention he's saying the statute of limitations may be up on them

1245
01:27:22,792 --> 01:27:28,392
yeah they're up they're up on them yeah they you know and i and i if i was thinking straight i

1246
01:27:28,392 --> 01:27:32,232
could have not only gone after them but i could have gone after the federal government because

1247
01:27:32,232 --> 01:27:38,311
they were under um they were they were doing it under their duty they were they were doing it under

1248
01:27:38,311 --> 01:27:47,832
uh while they're working you know and it wasn't like on the side and but it is what it is

1249
01:27:48,792 --> 01:27:57,672
and i missed that opportunity i guess but all i can do i mean didn't curtis didn't two fbi agents

1250
01:27:57,672 --> 01:28:06,151
go to prison yeah well yeah yeah one was a dea agent and one was a secret service agent and he

1251
01:28:06,151 --> 01:28:14,712
was on the obama detail um uh at this at the same time he was stealing um the bitcoin and and and

1252
01:28:14,712 --> 01:28:21,431
what he was doing was he was he he was stealing the bitcoin and making it look like i stole he

1253
01:28:21,431 --> 01:28:27,911
was making vanity addresses like the first vanity address catherine han you know the old

1254
01:28:27,911 --> 01:28:32,712
coinbase vice president she's the one who who prosecuted it and and she goes we're not we

1255
01:28:32,712 --> 01:28:39,031
looked at that at vanity address it was number one and it was curtis screen sr and they like

1256
01:28:39,031 --> 01:28:45,911
who in their right mind would put send a thousand bitcoin stolen bitcoin with their own name on it

1257
01:28:46,631 --> 01:28:55,751
so that was my that was my first uh uh uh help that uh that sean bridges gave me uh

1258
01:28:55,751 --> 01:29:00,871
and and and and and and then and then he then they cashed most of it out and then

1259
01:29:00,871 --> 01:29:07,272
he he hit he hit it he hit he hit like two or three thousand um bitcoin and he he lied about

1260
01:29:07,272 --> 01:29:12,631
it until he was prosecuted sentenced and then they found it and they added a couple more years

1261
01:29:12,631 --> 01:29:20,472
to it so uh which which they got off very light uh they got i think six or seven years apiece

1262
01:29:20,472 --> 01:29:27,751
um but for what they did you know i i had to testify in their um i didn't testify in their

1263
01:29:27,751 --> 01:29:37,111
trials but i i testified as a victim uh and and it oh they were they were just they were just so

1264
01:29:37,111 --> 01:29:43,512
evil they were just everything that they did was oh you just can't describe

1265
01:29:44,392 --> 01:29:49,191
you know i would let's put it this way i'd like a room just five minutes with sean bridges

1266
01:29:50,152 --> 01:29:59,111
but and and but yeah they are they they have nothing you know he they they just did everything

1267
01:29:59,111 --> 01:30:04,791
in their power to uh you know put you know to make like like who are they going to believe

1268
01:30:04,791 --> 01:30:10,712
they're going to believe federal agents i mean here he was in the nsa and the secret service

1269
01:30:10,712 --> 01:30:14,712
and then the de agent or they're going to believe a guy that worked on silk road

1270
01:30:15,671 --> 01:30:23,111
you know i i was i was an easy patsy for him and and if it wasn't for the blockchain this is

1271
01:30:23,111 --> 01:30:31,032
where i was the blockchain saved my ass because it showed all the transactions show i mean it was

1272
01:30:31,671 --> 01:30:38,952
where they went you know it was it was the perfect paper trail and and and and i thought oh thank god

1273
01:30:39,111 --> 01:30:45,912
for the blockchain just think just think if those agents had used samurai they might have

1274
01:30:46,791 --> 01:30:56,871
and then yes exactly so uh you know so well but i i'm still before the samurai guys getting out

1275
01:30:56,871 --> 01:31:00,952
but but but still though that would have that would have caused a lot of problems for me had

1276
01:31:02,152 --> 01:31:07,751
you know because yeah i was joking but the government didn't give a rat's ass about

1277
01:31:08,311 --> 01:31:14,712
me doing it working on silk road what they cared about they wanted they wanted those 30 000

1278
01:31:14,712 --> 01:31:21,832
bitcoin that i apparently stole that's all they cared about and and i'm like like well i can't

1279
01:31:21,832 --> 01:31:27,111
i didn't steal it i'm not gonna lie curtis if just you know the fact that you could have had

1280
01:31:27,111 --> 01:31:31,751
30 000 bitcoin and you don't right now it's kind of that's on you bro like we'll chalk it up to the

1281
01:31:31,751 --> 01:31:35,991
end you better get into the trenches you better get a fucking phantom wallet you better throw

1282
01:31:35,991 --> 01:31:41,431
20 at a rug i know i gotta start i gotta start dollar cost averaging right now

1283
01:31:44,871 --> 01:31:53,751
oh brother what a what a time well you still maybe joe's right like you might want to i know

1284
01:31:54,631 --> 01:31:57,912
this is the last thing that david wants to hear but you might want to type up all the facts into

1285
01:31:57,912 --> 01:32:03,512
like a bullet point and then and then you could go to because a lot of them they'll take a contingent

1286
01:32:03,512 --> 01:32:08,472
you know which is like they they don't get paid unless you know you pay nothing unless they win

1287
01:32:08,472 --> 01:32:11,431
and maybe it's the whole thing is just so embarrassing for the government that they

1288
01:32:11,991 --> 01:32:16,551
even though i don't know how the timeline works but i would i would rather you hear it from

1289
01:32:17,272 --> 01:32:23,032
someone with lots of lots of experience you know these giant i just find it crazy you guys

1290
01:32:23,032 --> 01:32:27,191
don't have faith in the system that's all i mean good luck i have fun i hope you're the best

1291
01:32:27,751 --> 01:32:32,392
hmm okay wait it's possible

1292
01:32:34,231 --> 01:32:37,991
maybe i mean there might be a problem with uh statute of limitations but

1293
01:32:38,871 --> 01:32:47,032
god paul there might be but of course but i'm not sure like if the amount is really big doesn't it

1294
01:32:47,032 --> 01:32:53,032
like start to like go up to like being like like doesn't it eventually become like a class a felony

1295
01:32:53,032 --> 01:32:56,072
or something and then i don't know i don't know i don't know the rules i don't know any of the

1296
01:32:56,072 --> 01:33:04,551
rules i don't know what i'm talking about i'm just curious about david bip 110 not his real name

1297
01:33:04,551 --> 01:33:10,472
but he's from washington not france and i'm just wondering how old you are i just want to know

1298
01:33:10,472 --> 01:33:15,352
because there's like you know there's waves there's waves of like cynicism there's like

1299
01:33:15,352 --> 01:33:20,631
generational waves you know i'm having a midlife crisis and i've spent the last 15 years arguing

1300
01:33:20,631 --> 01:33:25,032
about bitcoin i apologize i know a little bit pessimistic so you're like about 35 you say

1301
01:33:25,592 --> 01:33:30,231
yeah see i would have thought that that would have made you like a hardier millennial because

1302
01:33:30,231 --> 01:33:35,671
you lived in the before time before when there was only a long instant messenger i've spent

1303
01:33:35,671 --> 01:33:41,431
i was the last uh i don't know how long like i started with bitcoin obviously but then i got

1304
01:33:41,431 --> 01:33:47,032
into like the every altcoin like literally worked on half the core team art coin shit coin projects

1305
01:33:47,032 --> 01:33:49,991
you guys made fun of forever because these guys didn't know anything about anything so i would

1306
01:33:49,991 --> 01:33:54,712
just go around helping them understand crypto but like uh yeah i did d5 and shit coins i've

1307
01:33:54,712 --> 01:33:58,631
done everything i'm just tired i'm exhausted i hate all of you i think everyone's a larp we've

1308
01:33:58,631 --> 01:34:02,871
gone down such a wrong path of crypto like the best thing i can do is sit around in ordinals

1309
01:34:02,871 --> 01:34:07,512
and make fun of people as a bitcoin puppet these days and not lose my mind um because everyone's

1310
01:34:07,512 --> 01:34:11,111
larping and everyone's jerking each other off and then michael saylor shows up and they want

1311
01:34:11,111 --> 01:34:15,111
to suck his dick and it's just like i don't even recognize this industry anymore honestly

1312
01:34:15,111 --> 01:34:20,791
so uh yeah i'm just kind of joking half the time i mean i agree with a lot of that like

1313
01:34:20,871 --> 01:34:27,272
how the industry sucks oh sorry uh no i i agree with that too but i just wanted to point out that

1314
01:34:27,272 --> 01:34:33,592
as somebody who's been involved since the very beginning i could easily state that it's always

1315
01:34:33,592 --> 01:34:42,392
been this way and we only noticed it because we got involved in it yeah that's fair no i get it

1316
01:34:42,392 --> 01:34:45,832
um i don't know it's just too much to talk about for me personally if you guys want to listen to

1317
01:34:45,832 --> 01:34:50,392
me yeah for a fucking hour maybe but you don't want to um but yeah i feel you uh it's just like

1318
01:34:50,392 --> 01:34:53,592
i like i said i just do bitcoin puppet troll people like right now we're trolling the bit

1319
01:34:53,592 --> 01:34:57,272
110ers because it's fun not because they're intimidating or anything it's just like we got

1320
01:34:57,272 --> 01:35:01,751
nothing else to do right so let's go make fun of these retards you know uh and that's the life

1321
01:35:01,751 --> 01:35:06,551
that's the life of i'm stuck here i can't leave i'm i didn't get 30 000 bitcoin like curtis did

1322
01:35:06,551 --> 01:35:11,032
and lie about it for 15 years and then hiding in an island somewhere you know i can't do that i i

1323
01:35:11,032 --> 01:35:15,512
have to earn it i got robbed uh so i have to earn it back twice and then i and then i lost it all on

1324
01:35:15,512 --> 01:35:20,472
shit coins and nft so i got to earn it back again a third time like i'm i'm i don't have any hair

1325
01:35:20,472 --> 01:35:26,631
left what do you want from me dude if you've got that much iq in this space under your belt you

1326
01:35:26,631 --> 01:35:32,392
could start an altcoin yourself i already know i forked bitcoin seven years ago and it's still

1327
01:35:32,392 --> 01:35:36,231
running it's called the vault and we're updating it with on-chain uh ordinals right now thank you

1328
01:35:36,231 --> 01:35:40,791
though good i i hope it doesn't have a block size limit because that's the only thing holding

1329
01:35:41,032 --> 01:35:45,912
it's at 32 megabytes right now because no one uses the chain and but we could adjust it we don't care

1330
01:35:45,912 --> 01:35:49,991
we're just trying to do everything on chain on a bitcoin UTXO stack without going to L2s and we're

1331
01:35:49,991 --> 01:35:58,551
gonna make paul's coin go to zero oh sorry but seriously competition is good because like pro

1332
01:35:58,551 --> 01:36:03,832
competition the way they they began enforcing it they they set it to where it didn't even go into

1333
01:36:03,832 --> 01:36:11,592
effect until 2014 so like if you look back at bitcoin's adoption if you look between 2012 and

1334
01:36:11,592 --> 01:36:18,871
2014 it was the greatest retail expansion that it's ever had and as soon as we could no longer

1335
01:36:18,871 --> 01:36:23,912
depend on our transactions going being included in the next yeah you're talking to someone who's a

1336
01:36:23,912 --> 01:36:28,712
big walker crab you know this come on don't lecture me brother i'm just saying for the for the crowd

1337
01:36:28,712 --> 01:36:35,032
here i okay okay for the crowd sure hi i'm dancing you guys want to see my dick uh no um paul i think

1338
01:36:35,032 --> 01:36:39,352
the thing is is like i want i want us before we get to paul's solution for scaling i want to see

1339
01:36:39,352 --> 01:36:43,431
us do what you're saying i want to see us pump as much L1 activity as we can humanly push

1340
01:36:43,991 --> 01:36:47,912
reasonably so that the chain still works properly and all that stuff but i don't want to see this 10

1341
01:36:47,912 --> 01:36:53,352
minute block i want to see two minute blocks i want to see you know 32 megabyte on L1 bitcoin

1342
01:36:53,352 --> 01:36:56,952
stuff like this and people are going to yap about their raspberry pies could eat my asshole

1343
01:36:57,751 --> 01:37:02,152
okay but first of all haven't we done that already with haven't we seen people push the

1344
01:37:02,152 --> 01:37:07,191
boundary on L1 which include bitcoin sv as well as solana i'm not no no no no no because then you

1345
01:37:07,191 --> 01:37:11,272
guys all disregard the argument that the reason bitcoin is in charge isn't because of tech the

1346
01:37:11,272 --> 01:37:15,512
reason because big is charged because it has the most fucking velocity of brand and things like

1347
01:37:15,512 --> 01:37:18,871
this like everyone just throws all that out the window and they're like well look at bitcoin cash

1348
01:37:18,871 --> 01:37:23,431
that failed so obviously the technicals are irrelevant like that's the dumbest don't do that

1349
01:37:23,431 --> 01:37:29,911
don't do that please you can make me mad it's right now not because of tech the one megabyte

1350
01:37:29,911 --> 01:37:36,952
block size on bitcoin is inferior to reality guys come on right now the one megabyte block size

1351
01:37:37,592 --> 01:37:42,952
on bitcoin isn't full so i just i don't see it's a binding constraint you know why it's not full joe

1352
01:37:42,952 --> 01:37:47,191
you know why it's not full because we spend 12 hours a day telling people to go use solana and

1353
01:37:47,191 --> 01:37:50,472
not onboarding them to bitcoin and telling them that bitcoin isn't meant for anything except for

1354
01:37:50,632 --> 01:37:55,191
holding michael saylor's bags that's what we tell them yeah it's not all about marketing though

1355
01:37:55,191 --> 01:38:01,112
you know like the fees are low they could use it they don't we gotta make we do no we do we do what

1356
01:38:01,112 --> 01:38:04,632
do you think half the transactions are right now do you even know what's going to the mempool right

1357
01:38:04,632 --> 01:38:10,391
now i do it's not bitcoin transactions i'll tell you that yeah let me just ask you then

1358
01:38:12,712 --> 01:38:16,872
it's a bunch of shit coins on on indexers that's what it is sure but okay so here's the thing you

1359
01:38:16,872 --> 01:38:23,031
said we we need to do is push L1 that's what you said and i'm just saying i'm just asking what does

1360
01:38:23,031 --> 01:38:26,311
that mean like what would it look like if we did i want to see what are you waiting for i want to i

1361
01:38:26,311 --> 01:38:32,151
want to see 2015 2016 full block steam adoption levels of usage again and then well i don't can't

1362
01:38:32,151 --> 01:38:37,832
you just shouldn't you just launch just launch more more um whatever more uh ordinaries sure

1363
01:38:37,832 --> 01:38:42,872
well we got this have you ever heard of Blockstream i think it would literally well to

1364
01:38:42,872 --> 01:38:48,072
fill up the blocks today i mean if it's really one sap for a b-byte it was also like 20 labs paul

1365
01:38:48,072 --> 01:38:53,271
have you heard of adam back have you heard of the federal government okay so they all want us to

1366
01:38:53,271 --> 01:38:59,832
believe that using L1 is a sin and we are polluting the world especially luke also lightning network

1367
01:38:59,832 --> 01:39:04,632
and we should open a channel and we should open 1.5 billion channels to scale to current activity

1368
01:39:04,632 --> 01:39:09,431
levels and that we should um not realize that lightning requires a larger block size and that

1369
01:39:09,431 --> 01:39:13,832
we should lie to people endlessly about the future of bitcoin without proving it right now

1370
01:39:13,832 --> 01:39:17,911
and all these other stupid things so like i don't you guys get me hit me with this well we'll go

1371
01:39:17,911 --> 01:39:21,112
fill up the blocks like well what do you think ordinals is doing why do you think i'm in ordinals

1372
01:39:21,112 --> 01:39:25,911
i'm in ordinals too unlike everyone else who wants to run off and do their own thing and cry about

1373
01:39:25,911 --> 01:39:31,031
boohoo i am actually here trying to push the block size to be used properly and everyone's

1374
01:39:31,352 --> 01:39:36,232
and moaning oh it's i know but i know but i know but you were saying instead of

1375
01:39:37,352 --> 01:39:43,191
the eCash august ecx hard fork instead of my idea basically you're saying instead i like your idea

1376
01:39:43,191 --> 01:39:47,031
i like your idea but i'm just saying like i hate that we're getting you say i want i prefer push

1377
01:39:47,031 --> 01:39:52,551
L1 and then you say it has to be like it was in 2014 2015 but that's how it was in 2014 2015 and

1378
01:39:52,551 --> 01:39:57,992
that did not immediately result in the utopia right so that can't be the only ingredient

1379
01:39:57,992 --> 01:40:01,832
because of politics though well that's but that's part of what this project's trying to solve

1380
01:40:03,271 --> 01:40:09,271
bitcoin anymore because the minimum fee is too high right because it's too unstable and you don't

1381
01:40:09,271 --> 01:40:15,752
know what you're gonna pay the delay also rbf rbf was the original sin i will sit on that i will die

1382
01:40:15,752 --> 01:40:20,872
on that hill i think even framing it in terms of fees is actually misses the point also which is

1383
01:40:20,872 --> 01:40:26,872
to say when the blocks were full you wouldn't necessarily know how long it would take to even

1384
01:40:27,511 --> 01:40:31,911
people would try to pay then it wouldn't go through and they would call customer service

1385
01:40:31,911 --> 01:40:37,112
that's why we wanted bigger and bigger blocks and a faster block time that solves that problem yeah

1386
01:40:37,328 --> 01:40:43,248
supposed to be including them as we receive them not resorting them based on the transaction fee

1387
01:40:43,248 --> 01:40:52,448
yes yes yeah so bid pay would get i think they said like 45 times as high the customer is a

1388
01:40:52,448 --> 01:40:58,448
federal agent amari section is a federal agent lucas is a federal agent adam back is a federal

1389
01:40:58,448 --> 01:41:02,928
agent greg fucking everyone's a federal agent like what the fuck why are we stuck in a room

1390
01:41:03,008 --> 01:41:10,048
with everyone i don't like is a fed is definitely a federal agent can i have this one about the

1391
01:41:10,048 --> 01:41:17,008
block wars i feel like there's some important details that's that are not in the book the

1392
01:41:17,008 --> 01:41:22,688
block size wars can anyone with that was around that era you're talking about you're talking about

1393
01:41:22,688 --> 01:41:27,967
jonathan book jonathan's book i couldn't quite hear you were just saying was anything omitted

1394
01:41:27,967 --> 01:41:34,767
from the book it's not my book show war that's not in that book i gotta go flip through the book

1395
01:41:34,767 --> 01:41:38,287
and quickly reread the entire thing to remember exactly what's in there because i know what i

1396
01:41:38,287 --> 01:41:42,368
know what really happened because i lived through it and i've read the book i know but i can't

1397
01:41:42,368 --> 01:41:46,688
remember what's not i can't remember the thing is we all live through it but we all think different

1398
01:41:46,688 --> 01:41:51,488
things so what the fuck actually happened i'm talking to i'm talking to jonathan a few times

1399
01:41:51,488 --> 01:41:58,368
and i think he and i actually agree on that the orthodox story is not accurate and he and i agree

1400
01:41:58,368 --> 01:42:06,847
that really mostly what happened was um the large blockers were a little too overconfident in their

1401
01:42:06,847 --> 01:42:10,768
ability to pull off the hard fork it had very little to do with who was right about the block

1402
01:42:10,768 --> 01:42:20,688
size war and they kind of you know um mike hearn was pushing for xt and they thought they thought

1403
01:42:20,688 --> 01:42:28,847
this between having you know uh all these big companies bitpay and uh coinbase and 83 of the

1404
01:42:28,847 --> 01:42:36,448
miners on our side we represent the real center of gravity in bitcoin and so then they they signed

1405
01:42:36,448 --> 01:42:42,688
they had a number of ham-fisted implementations so imagine large blocks are a really good idea

1406
01:42:42,688 --> 01:42:49,087
you got to separate the idea from the execution the it's just purely a statement of fact that

1407
01:42:49,087 --> 01:42:53,807
whatever they proposed was not large blocks they proposed bitcoin classic two megabit bitcoin xt

1408
01:42:53,807 --> 01:42:58,688
was eight megabytes bitcoin classic was two megabytes then SegWit2x was sort of like

1409
01:42:58,688 --> 01:43:03,648
4.4 megabytes or it's kind of hard to explain exactly what that was and then finally bitcoin

1410
01:43:03,648 --> 01:43:10,928
cash so even if you thought large blocks were the answer that was never put forward by them and in

1411
01:43:10,928 --> 01:43:15,648
fact gavin andreason i remember specifically he tweeted and he went on reddit and he said no one

1412
01:43:15,648 --> 01:43:22,527
is proposing an unlimited block size so back then no one was pushing we had the same conversation

1413
01:43:22,527 --> 01:43:26,607
now like we can't keep going back and saying okay well we decided this 10 years ago we decided this

1414
01:43:26,607 --> 01:43:30,367
10 years ago like the circumstances are now different i'm not saying we should the question

1415
01:43:30,367 --> 01:43:35,967
was what what happened in the book sure that was different and so i'm saying the author of the book

1416
01:43:35,967 --> 01:43:42,128
and i agree that what really happened was the large blockers they they kind of didn't they

1417
01:43:42,128 --> 01:43:46,367
jumped the gun on various things they tried this and that and they jumped the gun and kind of failed

1418
01:43:46,367 --> 01:43:50,607
and that that's what happened it actually had very little to do with i have a more glorious

1419
01:43:50,607 --> 01:43:55,167
thing on what wasn't included because he didn't he didn't like the book isn't really in like a

1420
01:43:55,167 --> 01:43:59,488
conspiratorial way right like it's just more about like a personal view of the things and like some

1421
01:43:59,488 --> 01:44:04,367
other people's views yeah like if you go to conspiracy level stuff though like we now know

1422
01:44:04,367 --> 01:44:08,848
that like epstein funded in part you know some Blockstream stuff we now know a couple of these

1423
01:44:08,848 --> 01:44:14,048
weird modern you know takes on things that like and then you take all what epstein was into what

1424
01:44:14,048 --> 01:44:19,967
they were doing clearly there could have been in a conspiratorial way an effort to you know it

1425
01:44:19,967 --> 01:44:24,768
inspire some form of early control into Blockstream with like being austin hall being a co-founder

1426
01:44:24,768 --> 01:44:28,527
with epstein these kind of things right these relationships that sort of create perverse

1427
01:44:28,527 --> 01:44:33,247
incentives like within the team and then like people like greg maxwell clear fed you know

1428
01:44:33,247 --> 01:44:36,208
there's something wrong with that guy uh you know all these guys have something wrong with

1429
01:44:36,607 --> 01:44:43,488
luke or something i don't know how the fuck there are you know i don't it's weird bro it's weird it's

1430
01:44:43,488 --> 01:44:47,648
like they put people in charge of things because they have control of them and that's what it feels

1431
01:44:47,648 --> 01:44:52,048
like to me everywhere i look in this fucking space these days and it's like how do you not i think we

1432
01:44:52,048 --> 01:44:58,368
don't need the ad hominem though because if but if they are it's true that they are weird and it's

1433
01:44:58,368 --> 01:45:07,167
true they have bizarre personalities how is that greg well he literally tells us on reddit to our

1434
01:45:07,167 --> 01:45:11,887
face that he's doing botnets to silence us like what yes of course and he called himself as master

1435
01:45:11,887 --> 01:45:17,167
of master of socks like master that's that's not like something we call hey that's a fed that is a

1436
01:45:17,167 --> 01:45:24,528
federal fucking agent well and here's the thing it doesn't matter who says it it's either true

1437
01:45:24,528 --> 01:45:28,127
or it's false and then you can you can always play this game where you can say well actually

1438
01:45:29,088 --> 01:45:32,847
he was a fed but he was a good fed he was secretly trying to sabotage the feds and you can say

1439
01:45:32,847 --> 01:45:37,488
actually he was never a fed it was it was a reverse reverse you can do you know you ever

1440
01:45:37,488 --> 01:45:43,648
see that cartoon spy versus spy you can always like switch the plot at the last minute is we

1441
01:45:43,648 --> 01:45:49,407
can't be too nice obviously there would be some sort of level to this where they would apply those

1442
01:45:49,407 --> 01:45:54,208
kind of pressures to the space right like there why is it so crazy for someone like me to say

1443
01:45:54,208 --> 01:46:00,528
there's a large-scale botnet trying to manipulate our opinions on cryptocurrency subject matter so

1444
01:46:00,528 --> 01:46:04,847
that we can't get ahead like we did with bitcoin when bitcoin had the cambrian explosion of ideas

1445
01:46:04,847 --> 01:46:08,847
that came with it we can't keep doing that because the government cannot keep up with that

1446
01:46:08,847 --> 01:46:15,648
so they are forced to try to contain that system right this gets us aware all this fed talk you

1447
01:46:15,648 --> 01:46:21,007
know there's no proving it there are bad arguments on both sides and even call anybody a fed and we

1448
01:46:21,007 --> 01:46:25,167
have to address the arguments it just like it sounds bad if you call everybody a fed even if

1449
01:46:25,167 --> 01:46:31,248
you're right it's just this like we can't get anywhere from this more important i i agree joe

1450
01:46:31,248 --> 01:46:37,088
and i think that it's more important to recognize that we're all cryptocurrency users that that's

1451
01:46:37,088 --> 01:46:43,248
what satoshi actually did he made us all fucking end users of this tech and nobody's word here

1452
01:46:43,248 --> 01:46:48,127
is any more valuable than anybody else's it's what you do that really matters

1453
01:46:49,007 --> 01:46:56,208
yeah which is why i agree going back to the block size stuff again it's also kind of like

1454
01:46:56,208 --> 01:47:02,607
okay we're arguing over what exactly caused the reduction in usage in bitcoin i mean i can look

1455
01:47:02,607 --> 01:47:06,528
at it right now and see nobody's using it right now only one megabyte block size so that's not

1456
01:47:06,528 --> 01:47:11,007
the limit but you have some other theory okay fine but the point of Drivechains is that you

1457
01:47:11,007 --> 01:47:14,687
guys can have your large block what are they using in this case though well how many transactions

1458
01:47:15,488 --> 01:47:20,127
are happening on other chains like look at solana like it's because the fee is so small

1459
01:47:20,127 --> 01:47:25,248
and it's so instant that that none now the users they just all go instead it's a separate thing

1460
01:47:25,248 --> 01:47:28,847
that's a separate dimension though we're just talking about block size okay we could sure

1461
01:47:29,808 --> 01:47:35,887
we got to keep it simple sure but block size finality though right so let's be fair yeah yeah

1462
01:47:35,887 --> 01:47:40,847
no i agree i agree block space is what defines whether or not we can have virtually instant

1463
01:47:40,847 --> 01:47:46,928
transactions before we started enforcing the block size limit it was less than 10 minutes

1464
01:47:46,928 --> 01:47:53,887
because your transaction was certain to end up in the next block no but it depends on node policy

1465
01:47:53,887 --> 01:47:57,648
it's not it's not that simple i'm telling you it is that i was there i was there

1466
01:47:58,928 --> 01:48:05,328
2010 somebody introduced the block size limit and even back then people were saying oh it's

1467
01:48:05,808 --> 01:48:12,208
satoshi's more than one person because this guy thinks ddos attacks are going to work against

1468
01:48:12,208 --> 01:48:18,287
bitcoin which they aren't and they're not effective against it anyway point being is

1469
01:48:18,928 --> 01:48:23,887
that even back then people were saying that whoever introduced the block size limit

1470
01:48:23,887 --> 01:48:31,488
probably wasn't satoshi and that it was drew so much contention in that people started saying that

1471
01:48:31,488 --> 01:48:37,167
oh there's there's more than one guy there's there's a group called satoshi and it wasn't

1472
01:48:37,167 --> 01:48:41,167
that there was a group it was that they found satoshi they killed him and then they used

1473
01:48:41,167 --> 01:48:46,768
his accounts to introduce that so so this is a theory but i would just say like it doesn't matter

1474
01:48:46,768 --> 01:48:53,007
right paul fixed this right now this unlimited block size across space has it's history though

1475
01:48:53,007 --> 01:48:59,088
biggest stumbling block we've had it's history taking direct gotta move on payments you gotta

1476
01:49:00,048 --> 01:49:04,928
it doesn't change anything about the plan going forward you're back to fucking bankers running

1477
01:49:04,928 --> 01:49:11,088
everything again okay i just want to say we only have 11 minutes we only have 11 minutes left

1478
01:49:11,887 --> 01:49:17,887
so uh you know the goal is kind of to have all the you know the haters of eCash joined which

1479
01:49:17,887 --> 01:49:23,807
they rarely do um well i can be a hater i can be a hater give me the hate real quick i hate uh well

1480
01:49:23,807 --> 01:49:27,247
people would rather just talk about the fashions of the day they'd rather talk about 110 or

1481
01:49:27,247 --> 01:49:32,528
whatever which is fine we can indulge to some extent i just want to remind you one hater can i

1482
01:49:32,528 --> 01:49:36,208
get one hater point in for the people down there please especially if you've heard someone else be

1483
01:49:36,208 --> 01:49:40,447
a hater you could i've been to all these spaces point i've been to all these spaces paul i listened

1484
01:49:40,447 --> 01:49:45,887
to you yeah okay all right we're in the modern zoomer era of adhd you gotta you gotta like

1485
01:49:45,887 --> 01:49:51,408
simplify your points a lot more and get to the point within like two to four minutes otherwise

1486
01:49:51,408 --> 01:49:55,247
you lose these motherfuckers down there i'm sorry that's why you always get these same nerdy

1487
01:49:55,247 --> 01:50:00,047
group of people down here and not like what's eCash there's a bitcoin fort coming whoa bro

1488
01:50:00,047 --> 01:50:04,447
let's check you know you need the retards in here so you got to kind of cut cut the the

1489
01:50:04,447 --> 01:50:08,528
you know the explanations down a little bit it's really hurting you i'm not gonna lie

1490
01:50:10,687 --> 01:50:15,887
okay great thanks that's when i say you ever see that movie amadeus uh when the guy's giving uh

1491
01:50:15,887 --> 01:50:19,408
mozart he tells him he didn't give them a good bang at the end of songs to let them know when

1492
01:50:19,408 --> 01:50:24,927
to clap and then most of us maybe you can give me lessons in that but the point is um yeah hey did

1493
01:50:24,927 --> 01:50:29,728
you ever hear milton friedman has this line about there's idea manufacturers and idea

1494
01:50:30,768 --> 01:50:34,367
distributors and also the quote is actually longer but i'm gonna short it shorten it for

1495
01:50:34,367 --> 01:50:39,247
your benefit which is that some people come up with the ideas and then other people you got like

1496
01:50:39,247 --> 01:50:45,887
a neil degrasse tyson you know what i mean he like ships it to the joe rogan world and then the joe

1497
01:50:45,887 --> 01:50:50,687
rogan he he ships he like retails it to his and then there's a lot of people don't listen to any

1498
01:50:51,408 --> 01:50:55,567
we need to get vlad an editor so you can do the the clipping shit the clipping shits all the heat

1499
01:50:55,567 --> 01:51:00,127
right now on all the social media platforms like 30 people do the clips yeah the clips is all the

1500
01:51:00,127 --> 01:51:04,687
matter right now people do the clips people do the clips i'm not sure i'm not sure anybody could

1501
01:51:04,687 --> 01:51:08,127
clip you though your clip would be like five minutes long you know well the free samurai

1502
01:51:08,127 --> 01:51:13,007
i think it's just kind of a separate case but yeah we need a background

1503
01:51:13,247 --> 01:51:13,747
so

1504
01:51:17,168 --> 01:51:18,687
sorry i didn't hear what did you say

1505
01:51:21,007 --> 01:51:24,848
uh i said yeah i said we need a tiktok dance and all the all the memes and stuff

1506
01:51:25,648 --> 01:51:32,288
yeah definitely okay we can go back to talking about if no one has i just want to say i just

1507
01:51:32,288 --> 01:51:36,687
wanted to remind everyone we're in the last nine minutes so we can go back to talking about the

1508
01:51:36,687 --> 01:51:41,807
block size or well what we should do with this bit 110 is hot right now y'all y'all are y'all

1509
01:51:41,807 --> 01:51:45,487
are sleeping on this right you gotta you guys gotta jump into the argument a little more even

1510
01:51:45,487 --> 01:51:49,328
though it's dumb and pointless and all that and it's never gonna happen you gotta i think it's

1511
01:51:49,328 --> 01:51:53,807
funny you guys are all 110 yeah this is the whole thing is like they won't let it they won't talk

1512
01:51:53,807 --> 01:51:56,927
to the ordinals people so we're gonna infiltrate you know i think you guys should infiltrate a

1513
01:51:56,927 --> 01:52:03,007
little bit too put it at docs no no pfps only adult white guys okay this is the key right it

1514
01:52:03,007 --> 01:52:07,648
has to be an adult white guy it has to have laser eyes and nothing else matters if you put hashtag

1515
01:52:07,728 --> 01:52:11,887
bit 110 in your name you automatically get followers so if you suck at twitter you know

1516
01:52:11,887 --> 01:52:15,887
that's a good way to get some followers just hashtag bit 110 in your name and then you know

1517
01:52:15,887 --> 01:52:21,728
the mechanic yeah the fake mechanic guy who is muck annick and he does the imitation of him

1518
01:52:21,728 --> 01:52:26,848
that was incredible that was very funny there's a luke's lawyer ocean's lawyer uh he's a there's

1519
01:52:26,848 --> 01:52:31,088
so many parody accounts to the point where i go into these spaces and i'm thinking like wait

1520
01:52:31,088 --> 01:52:34,768
half of these motherfuckers are parody accounts what am i doing up here right now like there's

1521
01:52:34,768 --> 01:52:39,088
not really any there's more parody accounts than the jokes on you this is why he was talking about

1522
01:52:39,088 --> 01:52:43,807
ad hominem is because what if what if they reveal to you at the end and they and then luke says

1523
01:52:44,367 --> 01:52:49,487
i myself was this whole thing was a parody it was all just for entertainment we were never going to

1524
01:52:49,487 --> 01:52:55,567
do bip 110 that's what he's gonna say and you have just we have we've tricked you it was all

1525
01:52:55,567 --> 01:53:02,447
about tricking you 100 so that's why i think shemari wants to ask a question about the github

1526
01:53:02,528 --> 01:53:07,088
okay he's not in the chat see here's the thing shemari's not in the chat he still doesn't want

1527
01:53:07,088 --> 01:53:11,007
to download a chat program to ask a question so he waited he waits for the space fair enough

1528
01:53:11,007 --> 01:53:13,968
to ask this is all he's got technical questions

1529
01:53:17,247 --> 01:53:23,648
welcome to the stage oh yeah thanks um just really i realize this is not you know appropriate for me

1530
01:53:23,648 --> 01:53:29,328
to be um engaging with you here but do you have another way that i can like directly

1531
01:53:29,887 --> 01:53:35,328
communicate with you regarding like some of the issues with the uh issues in the github

1532
01:53:35,328 --> 01:53:40,848
because i do you several times and like you haven't really engaged at all in the issues

1533
01:53:41,887 --> 01:53:49,807
yeah Truthcoin in github um that might not be me i may be peace dorks on github

1534
01:53:50,768 --> 01:53:56,208
maybe maybe that's what it was but i mean your name came up in in the issues um that i that i

1535
01:53:57,168 --> 01:54:02,528
impersonating me but i will look and i don't you know because now you know the team is really good

1536
01:54:02,528 --> 01:54:08,768
so uh they were mostly handling that but yeah you can also you can also dm me on it on x i think i

1537
01:54:08,768 --> 01:54:13,887
don't know if you have or not but it's weird because they but once i dm you back it will

1538
01:54:14,768 --> 01:54:19,408
because it like triages the messages i don't know if it does this for everyone but it like

1539
01:54:19,408 --> 01:54:28,127
assumes every dm is a spam well i mentioned that in because i i've messaged you um just generally

1540
01:54:28,127 --> 01:54:32,687
on x and you did mention that you were going to publish the bug list because i'm trying to

1541
01:54:32,687 --> 01:54:38,447
understand moving forward now i am yes i'm gonna do it today you know the next challenge like where

1542
01:54:38,447 --> 01:54:43,487
where is that going to be published though uh probably here on on twitter and then it'll

1543
01:54:43,487 --> 01:54:49,728
probably be like a google doc or something okay okay cool and then um you mentioned saturday

1544
01:54:49,728 --> 01:54:55,968
you're doing a trial run um are you gonna have you know lead up to that as well well this will

1545
01:54:55,968 --> 01:54:59,728
be the first one so it'll probably be disaster so i didn't want to make too much of a public

1546
01:54:59,728 --> 01:55:04,127
announcement about it but we're gonna do like seven or something i'm gonna do like one a week

1547
01:55:05,247 --> 01:55:12,687
uh i think so that will start to happen because that will give people a very good

1548
01:55:12,687 --> 01:55:19,247
idea of exactly what the hard fork will be like and then uh if they're a huge disaster then

1549
01:55:20,687 --> 01:55:24,608
we'll see why and if they work perfectly then everyone will know what to do so

1550
01:55:25,968 --> 01:55:32,447
yes specifically i'm looking to get a new Drivechain added um you know any way possible so that

1551
01:55:32,447 --> 01:55:37,247
that's the guidance i'm looking for like how how would you recommend like last week we spoke about

1552
01:55:37,247 --> 01:55:43,887
that well on the real network it has to have real miners i happen to know you know just because i

1553
01:55:43,887 --> 01:55:50,447
know the people who've expressed interest in mining this fake this is again this is like a

1554
01:55:50,447 --> 01:55:57,968
like a testnet with fake coins but so but yeah probably on github is probably fine if you don't

1555
01:55:57,968 --> 01:56:04,528
use telegram telegram is where most people converse but i think github would also work

1556
01:56:05,487 --> 01:56:12,768
yeah i i mean i'm obviously on x i can dm you um but i just you know i have a proposal in github

1557
01:56:12,768 --> 01:56:18,848
an issue like probably about two weeks ago i submitted it uh for a Drivechain so i haven't

1558
01:56:18,848 --> 01:56:24,687
got any engagement on it are you on telegram or not i don't i don't use telegram just because of

1559
01:56:24,687 --> 01:56:29,247
the kyc so that's not an option i am on discord though and i was hoping maybe now there would

1560
01:56:29,247 --> 01:56:35,807
have been a discord eCash discord yeah there's supposed to be a what's that thing that plugs them

1561
01:56:35,807 --> 01:56:40,528
all together someone said they were doing that last week but i didn't haven't looked it is kind

1562
01:56:40,528 --> 01:56:45,567
of becoming a large project so even though i i know a lot about what everyone's doing it is a

1563
01:56:45,567 --> 01:56:52,127
lot to keep track of uh but whatever it is i think someone was setting you don't you don't have an

1564
01:56:52,127 --> 01:56:58,208
official discord still correct well there should be i think um i think this person was going to

1565
01:56:58,208 --> 01:57:05,088
create it the guy vlad you know what i'm talking about uh cryptico shiny emoji or whatever the

1566
01:57:05,088 --> 01:57:14,127
person was um and and you can actually oh sorry i was saying you can sign up for telegram without

1567
01:57:14,127 --> 01:57:18,927
a username and without giving them your phone number you'll just appear like a spam spamming

1568
01:57:18,927 --> 01:57:25,247
type of user i i don't i didn't know that i'm not really sure how that works um is there any like

1569
01:57:26,208 --> 01:57:27,648
where would i how would i start that

1570
01:57:29,887 --> 01:57:33,887
also i'm not i don't know anything about this specifically but i know for a fact that people

1571
01:57:33,887 --> 01:57:37,728
can buy there's like websites where you can just buy now i don't know if this works or if they

1572
01:57:38,608 --> 01:57:42,927
they take the account back later or something but i know you can buy like telegram accounts for like

1573
01:57:43,728 --> 01:57:51,567
five dollars or two dollars or something so um not but i don't know like how well i've never

1574
01:57:51,807 --> 01:57:55,567
done that but i you can there are all these sites where you just like how many

1575
01:57:55,567 --> 01:58:00,047
fake accounts do you want to buy it's kind of terrible really but they do exist

1576
01:58:01,647 --> 01:58:06,447
yeah i get spam phone calls all the time there's a way to do it so you could just uh i'm sure you

1577
01:58:06,447 --> 01:58:15,647
could find it yeah um that's just a consequence of us being very active on telegram yeah the

1578
01:58:15,647 --> 01:58:18,128
telegram is where a lot of discussion happens

1579
01:58:22,208 --> 01:58:27,008
yeah no i just i more more i mean i'm not looking to really get social it's just the

1580
01:58:27,008 --> 01:58:31,567
the issues that i've submitted haven't been really engaged with except for the one

1581
01:58:32,208 --> 01:58:39,088
where i did see them actually submit a pr so that's why i really wanted the bug list to kind

1582
01:58:39,088 --> 01:58:45,328
of understand like where my issue stood amongst all the others um but if you're going to release

1583
01:58:45,328 --> 01:58:49,488
that today then i'll just wait for that and then i'll you know follow up you know afterwards

1584
01:58:52,527 --> 01:58:53,567
okay great

1585
01:58:56,687 --> 01:59:00,208
yeah if you guys are bored uh we're doing a space in an hour of the bitcoin puppets which

1586
01:59:00,208 --> 01:59:03,328
is like an ordinals community but we're just basically going to troll the uh bit 110 guys

1587
01:59:03,328 --> 01:59:07,167
all day long and then an hour after that or like i think an hour and a half after that yeah there's

1588
01:59:07,167 --> 01:59:12,447
like a debate between jim and leonidas and they're arguing about bit 110 bullshit and i think this

1589
01:59:12,447 --> 01:59:17,008
is like the meta right now you guys gotta you know we don't we can talk about shimari's technicals

1590
01:59:17,008 --> 01:59:20,527
all the time but like if you want to be where the people are at and the attention is that you got to

1591
01:59:20,527 --> 01:59:26,208
go in and make fun of the bitcoin bit bit 110 retards you gotta you know call michael say they

1592
01:59:26,208 --> 01:59:31,328
are fed and you know we got to connect the bridges paul we can't just sit in the corner on an island

1593
01:59:31,328 --> 01:59:38,447
over here talking about you know eCash and the eCash one quick thing because i am working on a

1594
01:59:39,968 --> 01:59:45,807
kind of like an arena app because i do i kind of feel like you know again kind of you know um

1595
01:59:46,767 --> 01:59:50,287
reiterating um what you guys are talking about like there's really kind of getting kind of boring

1596
01:59:50,287 --> 01:59:55,088
in terms of like leading up to the launch in terms of there's nothing to actually do with the eCash

1597
01:59:55,088 --> 01:59:59,647
because now we have the wallet uh which is awesome by the way really really great job on that mobile

1598
01:59:59,647 --> 02:00:06,368
wallet but um there's nothing to do like once you actually get the um the testnet coins the signal

1599
02:00:06,368 --> 02:00:12,848
coins you get like three of them and all you can really do is post like on CoinNews so i started

1600
02:00:13,088 --> 02:00:20,287
working like on a just just vibing by coding some um some things that you can actually like play

1601
02:00:20,287 --> 02:00:24,927
you know with the those signet coins and hopefully um that'll be ready by next week and i can

1602
02:00:25,728 --> 02:00:28,608
possibly make this a little more or less boring for you guys

1603
02:00:31,567 --> 02:00:38,527
okay great and that does sound fun david trolling those people

1604
02:00:39,488 --> 02:00:41,248
we'll be a little busy later today but

1605
02:00:43,728 --> 02:00:46,128
have fun with that i mean see here's the thing what are you going to achieve

1606
02:00:46,767 --> 02:00:51,248
if you do is you're just gonna so usually how it goes is we take one guy has already one more

1607
02:00:51,248 --> 02:00:54,608
little guy to come up and like he's not really the most intelligent guy he doesn't understand

1608
02:00:54,608 --> 02:00:58,848
what money is you know we the basic concepts that he just can't fathom like what the fuck

1609
02:00:58,848 --> 02:01:03,008
data is right like why is arbitrated data part of bitcoin like these people we go through these

1610
02:01:03,008 --> 02:01:07,807
really funny simple concepts with these guys but it's like almost like a patronizing way to like

1611
02:01:07,888 --> 02:01:11,888
talk down you know to be like hey here let me help you retard you know like i guess we're

1612
02:01:11,888 --> 02:01:16,047
stuck here with you in the room together so we might as well talk about something right

1613
02:01:16,848 --> 02:01:20,608
and then we kind of just try to educate them while knowing they're not going to listen

1614
02:01:20,608 --> 02:01:25,328
um because we have nothing better to do ordinals are down 99 anyways and this gives us a way to

1615
02:01:25,328 --> 02:01:29,567
unite as a community and bully someone else other than the node monkeys you know what i'm saying

1616
02:01:29,567 --> 02:01:35,888
like that's kind of the only reason honestly you guys could do it too though you guys could

1617
02:01:35,888 --> 02:01:41,567
unite us the eCash guys you guys could shit on the bit.10 dumbasses and be like by the way

1618
02:01:41,567 --> 02:01:46,208
drive trains are coming you know mic drop and walk out of the discord and walk out of the spaces you

1619
02:01:46,208 --> 02:01:51,008
know but instead what we do around here is we come up here every week we listen to shimari talk about

1620
02:01:51,008 --> 02:01:55,328
how the github and this and the fucking technicals and this drive chaining is trying to go live next

1621
02:01:55,328 --> 02:01:59,567
week and then and then the only people down there are all these dumbasses that are from the

1622
02:01:59,567 --> 02:02:03,248
ordinals community waiting for me to say something stupid come on guys you want you want the

1623
02:02:03,248 --> 02:02:08,527
onboarding we gotta we gotta we gotta make it fun you know we gotta make it a little more

1624
02:02:08,527 --> 02:02:14,848
entertaining i'm trying to help i swear i promise i agree i agree yeah it should be more than this

1625
02:02:14,848 --> 02:02:21,488
yeah it's true well hey daniel daniel craver's video is out today you can see it on my twitter

1626
02:02:21,488 --> 02:02:29,088
or on the youtube eCash youtube so uh that is fun although he's definitely not a gen z

1627
02:02:29,088 --> 02:02:37,647
you know he it's not a tiktok video so like can we get a bip 110 Drivechain announcement right

1628
02:02:37,647 --> 02:02:45,088
like come on paul that would be funny i think you know actually fingers okay well yeah there's

1629
02:02:45,088 --> 02:02:51,807
gonna be lots of stuff coming out so so uh there's plenty to look forward to i think

1630
02:02:51,807 --> 02:02:58,767
but we'll have to end it here so thanks very much

1631
02:03:00,208 --> 02:03:04,447
i hope everyone enjoyed listening i hope people enjoy the recording

1632
02:03:07,008 --> 02:03:13,248
we'll be back next week if anyone really wants to talk about anything in particular they should

1633
02:03:14,208 --> 02:03:21,567
request it maybe we'll talk about it and uh have a great rest of the week

1634
02:03:30,608 --> 02:03:35,728
now vlad is the host so he has to end it i cannot end it yeah i just want to say before vlad ends

1635
02:03:35,728 --> 02:03:41,968
it Zcash is going to zero it's a massad coin uh Zcash is not the real bitcoin uh the zk technology

1636
02:03:42,368 --> 02:03:48,047
is overrated and uh he's not here to defend himself so he can't stop me uh if you really

1637
02:03:48,047 --> 02:03:52,128
want privacy you should just mix bitcoin uh they didn't throw the Zcash developers in jail they

1638
02:03:52,128 --> 02:03:56,368
threw the bitcoin mixer developers in jail i wonder why maybe because the tech actually works

1639
02:03:56,368 --> 02:04:00,687
better at scale without needing to have a black box where you hide in the corner of the closet

1640
02:04:00,687 --> 02:04:05,567
and don't admit you're gay maybe just stop being gay and use bitcoin man like what are you doing

1641
02:04:05,567 --> 02:04:10,128
over here Zcash is not the future okay stop believing in zuko zuko doesn't even care about

1642
02:04:10,128 --> 02:04:14,927
you vlad he doesn't know who you are does that work did it work i want to get in david's head

1643
02:04:14,927 --> 02:04:19,807
about this though he invested in every other altcoin for the past 10 years but uh okay so no

1644
02:04:19,807 --> 02:04:24,927
no no in my defense i don't have a problem with Zcash actually i helped work on a lot of the early

1645
02:04:24,927 --> 02:04:29,167
like zero coin stuff uh like as like a community guy and all this other shit but no i don't have

1646
02:04:29,167 --> 02:04:33,488
a problem Zcash i just trolling him because i know he loves Zcash and he's afk there you go

1647
02:04:33,968 --> 02:04:35,728
okay fair enough fair enough

1648
02:04:38,527 --> 02:04:43,807
i just had to get his attention you know yeah he's a pro uh he's pro solana meme coin but

1649
02:04:44,368 --> 02:04:48,128
but Zcash is no no don't say that about me don't you dare say that about me

1650
02:04:48,848 --> 02:04:52,208
i hate solana that chain that chain should die that is fed chain

1651
02:04:57,167 --> 02:04:59,807
okay i guess everything's a fed chain well i don't see everyone

1652
02:04:59,807 --> 02:05:09,647
all right see you guys