🎵 🎵 🎵 🎵 🎵 🎵 🎵 🎵 🎵 🎵 🎵 🎵 🎵 🎵 Hey everyone, I hope you can hear me well. Let's wait until 10 people join and then we can get started. I'll hand the floor to Paul immediately as soon as there's at least 10 people in this space. Well, we already have 7. I'll never have 8. Let's just, because I have like a list, so I'll just go through the worst things on the list first and we'll save the better things. So we can kill time by talking about this study about in Cameroon these people earn money and because in every other culture that's not like a western culture, if you have any more money than anyone, everyone comes out with like for a handout, they try to like take your money like your mother-in-law and your cousin and whatever, they all try to like take your money. They have like the job as a program where they will invest your money at negative 25%. But they won't tell anyone how much money you have. And I think that's an interesting privacy use case as you might call it. So I thought that was kind of neat. Also the bug hunt number 3 is finished. So I'm going to publish the list of all the bugs which I haven't done before because I thought, well do we really want you know, do we really want everyone to know about the bugs before we can fix them all? But we'll do that but then we'll be trying to fix every bug. There's a lot of, they have a lot of like minor bugs and you gotta check the fixes and stuff before you push them out and etc. etc. So Jameson Lopp has a thing on wrench attacks and also another thing that this Saturday we're going to start doing like they call it the dry run which is like if the fork happened now like that's what it would be. And so it will be like an opportunity for everyone to test like every single thing about claiming and like what exactly would happen with the difficulty and the mining and all that other stuff. So that is the so we're going to start doing that. And then I had a tweet about bit 47 and Luke that some people wanted to explain which is like Luke fought against bit 47 and people and simply because there's this new app out that lets you do it lets you like basically text. This is what I was talking about last week about with BitNames. It's like you can text back and forth with someone and just send them $20 instead of texting back and forth with them and then like asking them for an address and then how do they know the address is real and that the clipboard didn't get intercepted and all this stuff. And of course I'm I've been a huge champion of this idea for many many years. But the I've been a huge champion of this idea for many years but so I was commenting that if Luke tried to kill bit 47, which is like from 2014, we would probably still have this now and people are like, what's the connection between those two things? And the connection is that you kind of have to have this like friend for bit 47, you have to have this like friend request on the blockchain where you and the other person do this notification transaction but basically what it does is it sets up this thing that is technically called this diff-a-helmet thing and basically lets everyone know the other person's public key and lets you have encrypted messages of all kinds with each other and since when you know someone's private key, you also know, excuse me, when you know someone's public key, you also know exactly how to send the coins. So the reason why I speculate that we would have had this in bitcoin 10 years ago if Luke hadn't killed bit 47 is because bit 47 sets up this thing where you and the other person know each other's key and address and I think from there it's a very short distance from having stuff like an address book in bitcoin where it's an actual just list of other people that you interact with and then it's from there it's very short distance from taking, transacting back and forth to adding the chat thing but instead Luke killed 47 and then he went on to kill other things, he killed more Operaturn and this led, Vlad, as you were pointing out, this led kind of to the creation of counterparty in Ethereum and led to like the the jettison of a lot of stuff being done on bitcoin and then that created to some extent created altcoin world so that's why I bring that up. There's also a new Dan Krawitz video and also another interview that I did with I think XXIM but if you like thoughtful, high IQ eCash entertainment then you can listen to the Dan Krawitz video number 3 which is really good the Rambo one so that's out there's another, before we get to, the most important thing is the free samurai thing I suppose, I mean that's something that people are very curious about so we're just warming up to it and we'll just get more stuff off the list as people join and people can feel free to ask about this or anything else but there's a new waste of time Michael Saylor article out which is I don't know who's necessarily still paying attention even to Michael Saylor at this point because you would think that after him saying don't sell your bitcoin that would just be enough for people to throw up their hands and be like I'm never listening to this person again but some people still are I suppose and so I thought, you know what I had actually kind of a list of crazy things Michael Saylor has done but the problem is the list is too long so I was like I should kind of shorten it and have only the high impact ones but Udi Udi already, he just tweeted maybe two or three days ago he tweeted already like a really really good list that is very curated and so I was like yeah this is a great this is a great short list of crazy stuff Michael Saylor has done and said and where you just can't believe like why is anyone taking this guy seriously so that's slowly going away but you can read his new article and recently he tweeted about how he the fact that we have one set per kilobyte fees that means we've solved spam maybe I'm not exactly sure one set per kilobyte sorry I wish it was one set per kilobyte but it's per bbyte oh no no sorry I said the wrong misspoke there's a verbal typo there set per byte per bbyte and but it's unclear as to what he is trying to say like that this proves that the network is ready for more bytes or it's kind of costly a waste of time to even delve into it too much and then finally on Michael Saylor he sold 32 bitcoin but then he bought 3600 bitcoin but then he sold the same amount at a much lower price and this is what he does constantly he's constantly buying at the top and now selling at much lower prices owning the coin at lower prices so to me Michael Saylor Michael Saylor, BIP110 and Lightning are all the same thing where it's like for some reason people believe in these three ideas to me they're just equally cult fake ideas that are doomed and they're just propped up by basically social pressure and they're kind of embarrassing and weird speaking of 110, 110 lost Giacomo poor Giacomo Zucco, investor in Ocean he tweeted something like 110 is stupid because he compared it because that guy, I don't know who made this site I think it was Wicked maybe, he made a pretty good site tracking 110 and then he had an option to toggle between SegWit and 110 and you can see the complete night and day difference where there's like no but we've got someone with a 110 listening I think so come on up and shill 110 as best you can we got 110G Julio, we got also David hashtag BIP11 then it's cut off so we can only assume we can only assume he's not talking about BIP119 but yeah sure, feel free to come up now okay, the big let's see alright, hello supporters out there because they're not real Paul, they're not real, okay we're all trolling, this is Bitcoin Puppet turning into a human we're adding BIP110 to our name to infiltrate and add subterfuge oh it's a joke we've been arguing with these idiots all week, Leonidas this dumbass, our number one retarded ordinal savior, Leonidas is going to argue with Jim, rdts Jim today who's like actually mining BIP110, so we're all kind of just like leaning into this like, let's dox ourselves and act like we're real people with laser eyes so that they, because they won't let us come up on the spaces and like talk with logic right, like they're like scared of reasoning I guess and like this spending, like what is money is a question that they hate right these type of simple, so they would rather just talk to themselves all day long right, so we try to get up, talk to them but we figured out they wouldn't let us up, so we started changing our name, like I made my name David, because think about it you know, why do people want to listen to you talk Paul because you got a nice cute white guy face and you got your name Paul in your handle, right like that's a reasonable person right out the gate, it's like when you see me with the Bitcoin Puppet and you know my name is DeGentralina come on, do you think people want to hear me talk I can see people taking a skeptical view, look you invited me up here because I had a white guy face and laser eyes, don't lie well because you had one BIP-110 that is funny though I think, I saw the thing with the mechanic, like the M mechanic and the guy doing the impression and I thought that, I was like laughing at that I don't normally, like a lot of Bitcoin content is very very predictable for me we've already got the loop, okay we already have people, like there's this guy Zeck, he's at the mechanic right now so he can't come explain it, but he has an alt account that has what's called a psychosis ape club it's an AI board ape derivative rug on Binance Smart Chain, alright, we made a joke a long time ago where we copy pasted some of these and teleburned them onto Bitcoin and so we have this little dumb joke where like five of us have these board ape, you know, derivative AI shit, and so he goes on that it says building alkanes in the name it has worms in the handle, like worm emoji, it has ah seven times, another worm, and then it says bip 110, and then it says building on alkanes, which is a Bitcoin meta protocol, right? Luke Dashjr's dumbass is retweeting this guy because the barrier of like IQ that these guys put into like the virtue signaling with one another and like, it's very low, there's no effort here for them to be like, oh, they say oh, that guy has bip 110 in his name and he has laser eyes, I like that guy, you know that's it, that's as far as these guys go so if you just put laser eyes back on and you put like bip 110 in your name you're gonna be, I got 50 followers within 20 hours and I'm tweeting Bitcoin puppet memes at these guys and they're liking them, like they have no idea what's going on, Paul well, you know, the underdog is always desperate to team up, so they're actually very nice, they have to love bomb it's like a cult, they have to, anyone new, they have to love bomb them to get them in, it's very important. Well, hey, you fooled me I thought it was a real 110 I mean, I put one second into researching it, by reading the title there's Zek down there too, he's doing the same thing with the real person, but basically for the last three days we've been like doing 12 hour a day spaces where we title it like bip 110ers for the win, or like you know, bip 110 is gonna win debate, and we bait these guys to come up, right and then we like get one of their supporters to like actually try to defend the cause and we like be nice about it, we try to be really gentle, and like we're basically playing basketball with a 12 year old and we know we're playing basketball with a 12 year old, but we still want the 12 year old to have a little bit of fun, right but we still gotta make sure he can't get the free shot, you know so like, we're playing, that's how we're treating these guys on this stage but they unironically think, like they don't even understand that us shit pointers, whatever we haven't even gotten off the bench we haven't even lifted a finger to defend ourselves from these dumb arguments, right but now we're just now step one is like, let's have some jokes with these guys and like let's play their game and put bip 110 in their name, so we can just like be part of the conversation and then ask them very obvious questions, and then they like, hopefully ideally, that maybe you know, kicks some logic into their head but I don't know bro, look how they're crashing out on Michael Saylor, their hero right now, it's gold, it's gold well yeah I was actually kind of, I was a little disappointed even that, cause I was kind of like, maybe Michael Saylor with this recent tweet about the he's talking about how there's no spam problem I was like, he's finally weighing in on a controversy, but he's, he waited two years to weigh in on like one of the easiest controversies like in all of Bitcoin's history and so I was kind of like well, I guess, I don't know, in many ways it's kind of maybe worse I don't know he's not intelligent and he's not technical, you know, he has to wait bro like he has to wait to be on the right side of it he waited so long can I just jump in there how is it possible that Michael Saylor owns literally 600,000 coins and he's not technical like I had this, I had this debate yesterday with Randy McMillan and he just shoved it in my face and he said to me he just threw it in my face he was like, this guy is just not going to know, he's not going to read the software he doesn't care about the code and yet you are literally giving this guy 600,000 coins and you don't even know how he takes care of them it's absurd my theory would be that he's a federal agent but yeah, that's not, nobody wants to hear that well I'm a little confused about Mr. Oiko, are you saying that he is technical or are you saying that it's amusing how despite being not technical I'm just literally saying that if you did have a company that was worth that amount of money and you were putting in billions of dollars into Bitcoin, there is no way that you would put billions of dollars into Bitcoin and just trusting someone like Coinbase to look after your keys you have to know on some way, shape or form exactly how it is that they store their keys and Randy McMillian yesterday was just laughing in my face the guy was just an absolute dickhead and I was just like, dude man you wouldn't give this guy your fucking Bitcoin unless you knew unless you actually fucking knew how it was that he was going to take care of your keys many people obviously have but I think there must be some kind of SOC report or some kind of document describing some kind of multi-sig set this is just what I assume based on years of experience in the industry and also sometimes getting asked by consultants and stuff to review things when a corporation reaches a certain size they have to have everything in a document they have to have a backup plan so I assume and by assume I mean I'm like 99.99% sure they have some kind of thing set up for micro-strategies Bitcoin is in some kind of multi-sig or MPC or some kind of whatever fireblocks or some kind of thing something that has reports and stuff even if you have a multi-signature scheme it doesn't really matter what that multi-signature scheme is unless you can actually read the code about how that multi-signature scheme takes place what are you actually using to secure the keys if you can't read the code you're so gullible this is like I just can't understand how someone is in tune and so update and so fucking clever as Michael Saylor would just there's just no way that he would not read the code he would know the shit I'm not bigging him up Do you think that he doesn't? I would agree with you I would say that he did he would know every aspect about it but he doesn't though and interpreting the intention is a completely different thing well we could reflect on how there were people who became obsessed with Bitcoin like Roger Ver for example in the earlier era he became totally obsessed with Bitcoin and he learned an awful lot he clearly became much more technical than he would have had he remained a humble optical server equipment salesman which is like what he was doing before he found Bitcoin he clearly learned about private keys he learned about GitHub he learned about what an API is because Amir Otaki I think accidentally published something open source that had an API key and lost 25,000 Bitcoin as a result but the point is he became obsessed but even back at the time people would not have described Roger Ver as quote technical unquote back in 2015-2017 in fact people would say that oh I really like Roger but he's not technical that's something people would say and and yet he did become obsessed with Bitcoin and Michael Saylor is kind of like a weird version of this where he he is also obsessed with getting on stage and talking about Bitcoin with his weird metaphors you know what I mean like he if you guys think about it Bitcoin 10 is like a cyber gangbang you know like this is the kind of thing he understands it's okay he doesn't have to be technical let him do his vagueness and like summarize the technicalities he's like if the thing is is not everybody can be technical and we shouldn't we probably shouldn't expect that because like then we're never going to get anywhere but I know but it is too weird like as it is weird person was saying that you'd invest so much money and yet you wouldn't invest maybe like one weekend yeah but he doesn't know enough he really knows if you read Udi's tweet there's many many different things like him for example saying that Bitcoin is better than Litecoin because it has a higher hash rate in hashes per second but apparently not knowing that the hash rate in Bitcoin and Litecoin are different and you can't make just an apples to apples comparison you can compare them to some extent but you know the hash the hash rate in Bitcoin really doesn't apply to anything because it so long as someone actually makes the longest chain that's all that matters it doesn't matter how much hash rate you have behind it just to some extent yes as long as it's enough to deter frivolous 51 attack um I would agree so so a lot of the things he doesn't know are very strange and you would think now he's been involved for like five years so you would think that he would know more he's just as smart as all the guys yapping in my comments from 2021 on twitter about Bitcoin 10 that's fair well as I said I think sailor 110 and lightning to me they are all like just just terrible and and I don't know what people see in them but but you have their little bubble you have your little cult and um and it's a shame there's a little bit of there's a little bit of good in each of the three you know like with 110 I'm not sure you're the criticizing core and pointing out that chorus is terrible that was definitely the silver lining of 110 and lightning is of course people want to yes can I ask where you stand on this do you stand on like the 110 or do you stand on the core sort of side of it because no I don't like I think 110 is right exactly I don't I'm not why do we have to stand on core side exactly I'm not really I hate core in fact I have to bring this up because it's very important and this is what we had the Bitcoin cash guy complaining and he's a super nice guy the New Zealand guy and he was complaining yesterday to me about how blah blah blah but it's like the problem with Bitcoin cash and with 110 is that they're low quality ideas and so even though they are they you know they compete with core and they're going to lose and then they're going to make core look even even better so this is kind of like where you know you're competing against Donald Trump and you want him to lose and you run Joe Biden who can't speak because he's half dead and then it's kind of like well that was like you know that's a huge setback for everyone and no matter what you you want to have two bad candidates compete so the inevitable failure of 110 is going to increase core is going to look better than they looked before 110 ever you know was conceived does it really better though no one's competing with them anyways no one's competing with who core they ran everybody off well well 110 now is sort of competing come on not really I mean that's the one thing I can't get 110 if they didn't send an activation and they just ran a client we would all like them I think right like in a way I think so yes yeah well we would like that they're a second option and as a consumer you walk into the you walk into the store and you see oh you know Crest or Skullgate for the toothpaste you think oh that's good we have two options it almost feels like it's a white flag from core the way it's playing out right now right and almost like a controlled opposition thing uh you know I have to say I don't understand why Luke because you know Luke is pretty smart Luke is pretty crazy of course Luke has always been crazy but I just don't see what he could possibly be thinking with all this it doesn't um because the facts are completely against him if you really hate I think you lost 400 and then the FBI was the only one that was trying to help you out you might hate us too though right why would that how what how does that help if you could just get more bitcoin by no wrong things I mean sure but he's his attitude that day shifted I think like I like personal experience right I lost a lot of crypto once upon a time over like an in-house theft thing right and so like I I had to fight with those emotions for like a year and a half of like being upset about who's to blame all this kind of shit you live in France did they sell your information Seattle Seattle no I just had uh I think someone called you that I yeah I think what I knew someone I knew at like a work situation kind of figured out I had a bunch of bitcoiners anyways point is is that that's too bad you you feel certain type of way after that for a while so I wouldn't put it past Luke to be like man they forsake me blah blah he's all religious and emotional you know so like he could easily figure out all these like uh just weird metaphors for himself to justify like helping the FBI undermine bitcoin and or helping core kind of so he could get some of that corn back or whatever right like any other incentive is there we just don't know what it is you know I don't think the FBI knows how to undermine bitcoin because think about how when I look around I see a lot of people trying to help bitcoin and they all seem really confused so I think in order for the FBI to know it's bad for bitcoin they would have to know they have to know the difference between what's good and bad for bitcoin but this is apparently like secret lore you don't really have to buy a few people despite us on Twitter though you fight the social infusion layer I think that could be the case so with Luke I would definitely believe that he he wanted to start Ocean and make a lot of money with Ocean to reclaim recoup what he had lost but I don't see how any of this is helping Ocean I think it's possible that there's a faction of people in Ocean who want to kick Luke out and they're bringing this to a very measurable head so to speak they're bringing it they're saying okay here's an event where because didn't we see that one guy doesn't have one older guy was like uh after 110 doesn't work like I'm gonna give up on this or something yeah I mean that's what they all kind of like they're trying to scare people into thinking like you you have to do this or bitcoin's gonna be doomed you know like that's all they're doing they know it's dumb but think about how they frame it like have you read these guys' tweets they frame things like it's guaranteed to pass the miners have to apply like it's just yeah I know we could go over why that's not true briefly I think it I think it would be useful because the the typical argument is okay you've got some giant group that doesn't care and you have a intransigent minority from the seem to levy this tiny group that does care it's the three kosher people or whatever and that's why every drink is kosher and but what they don't understand is that this situation does not the analogy doesn't apply at all to this situation because as soon as the you do the mandatory signaling and as soon as there's a block that doesn't signal in august 8th or whenever that is then it will be which side but you know which side do you give up on completely and if you give up on the side that has 99 percent of that hash rate you will you'll just be on a the minority side and you will never get any they won't even get to 100 blocks and so they won't even get no one will get paid at all I don't I don't get one block because they're going to have that first like difficulty adjustment problem and it's going to take like two days for the block to adjust they're going to have to hard fork twice and like 48 hours think about it like this if they can get 0.5 percent at the current difficulty they might be able to get you know one or two blocks or or maybe maybe even 10 you know sometime in the first day or so I can see roughnecks getting like one block just to prove a point right off the bat but once they realize the loss on that block they're gonna be like shit this isn't like mining bitcoin to signal we're not getting precisely yeah it's very important for people to to realize whoever minds that block there's a there's this thing called the maturity period there's a 100 block maturity period which is I think one of the most ingenious parts of satoshi's design and I think it's very very misunderstood what it does because for a while there was an explanation from like Blockstream and Greg Maxwell about like I'm sorry there's not an explanation from Blockstream and Greg Maxwell that was something like uh like it's annoying to update the database and if there's reorgs you don't want to whatever I think it's completely untrue the clever thing about this but first let me explain the rule it says as a miner you don't get paid until the block that you mind has been buried by a hundred future blocks so it's like you need to have basically you know the entire network in terms of mining and nodes kind of ratify your block so when you mine a block today those coins are not spendable for 100 blocks and what this means is that you aren't allowed to just mine like kind of for fun you're only you only get paid if you mine in the blockchain that is the real one that we're all using so it has an unbelievably strong applicability to this particular case because as you pointed out they mine one or two blocks then what they're going to realize is we can't spend any of the coins we mind as in that we received as so-called revenue so they pay a hundred percent of the cost and they are looking at getting zero percent of the revenue for this end of any other future blocks until they get to well I mean after that what they'll do is they'll just hard fork they'll hard fork reduce the difficulty they might even adjust it to lwma instead of what we have on bitcoin because the because the difficulty adjustment on bitcoin is kind of like retarded it's old it's really bad right and so like you could update it so that every three four or five ten blocks the difficulty adjusts based on lwma and then like luke is the kind of guy that'll like centralize the fuck out of anything he needs to in the moment of course but what do you think I mean this is the issue is someone doing the hard fork you know I can tell you that there are even if you want to keep L1 exactly the same there are like hundreds if not thousands of tiny little decisions you have to make like you know will you change the well network magic will you change the name what will the where will it be located like what will the github if he's not afraid of talking about the proof of work he's definitely not afraid of changing the da brother you know I'm saying like you don't care yeah I'm just saying what do you think like it would be called and what do you think like what do you think would you change is he going to lower the difficulty is going to change the proof of work algorithm what is he plays it by ear because I don't know if he really has a plan other than the control aspect I know but it's like if you then it's a lot of decisions to just make like I've been telling you from personal work he wants to change like on a random day okay well look again these guys are not they're not verifying the code in the knots client you might do they're downloading it because Luke tweeted download it right like they they don't give a fuck it could be but it could be malware and they're happily downloading Luke's malware you know they're cool with it so I think it's just like whatever hard forks he says are needed and the mechanic agrees with him that's what the narratives the marching orders become so if they need to adjust the the difficulty adjustment to make it actually be able to farm the blocks or 100 blocks and make it cheaper on the hash rate so they don't have the proof of work change until like next month they're gonna do exactly that or whatever right like they're gonna they're gonna do whatever keeps the chain online because their whole their whole thing is is like they think consensus is this is this like gray area and they think that they could fight for the consensus like type of thing and like yeah there are they are admitting finally that it's either dead in the water or it's gonna win automatically blah blah blah but like they're also not admitting that they're really trying to get people to support this proof of work change like they just don't know it yet so I don't know everything's gonna change in my mind they're gonna call it bitcoin or whatever they're gonna say it's it's it's this is how it's supposed to be real money and all this shit but I know but that all exactly all that has been done many times and I think copying the name is a big mistake and I think probably the bitcoin cash people suffered a lot just by not picking a different name because you know they go out you go out and then you get a shill you want to show your new idea you want to tell the world oh we've got this great idea you know it's called bitcoin cash and then people they just google like bitcoin or bitcoin money or bitcoin something and they find btc is shilling showing the competitors uh showing the competitors website this guy in chat down here is freaking out with emojis because if you read the comments he's complaining he's complaining about you doing that stealing the eCash name paul how are you how dare you paul steal the eCash name it is definitely belongs to the 17th bitcoin fork and not you what is your well um you know uh I think that's uh it's it's fair to say that no human like owns a name the way I see it you know eCash you know we've discussed this many times where it was like eCash.com is available and the existing eCash project is like 180th on coin market cap so as far as I'm concerned they the name is sort of lived and died there's like a tombstone like born dead and all this stuff was available.com etc so I don't think that I don't think that someone can just plant the flag in the ground and claim every name on like january 5th 1990 and just say I every single name is mine and you need to come for permission if you want it the names kind of have an organic quality to it when people google eCash they're going to find the they're going to find eCash.com so it's really like it's kind of a center of gravity type of thing it's really it's actually the exact same logic if you think about it where I'm saying because ours is going to be bigger we are the real you know we're actually what people will mean when they use the name. So in an effort to front run Justin and Grev since they're so polite and put their hands up and I'm an asshole uh is that why is that not applied to Luke in the same way where if he wins and Knott's gets to be the number one chain why can't he take over the name Bitcoin? No he can and he would. Oh shit. And I wouldn't complain that's why I still use Bitcoin. Reverse, reverse, I take that back. I still use the name Bitcoin to refer to today's Bitcoin because when a language is kind of like a theory so now you're going to get too much information that you didn't want but you see a language when I talk to you I have certain assumptions about what what do I think you and what do I think the audience means by different things so that's the true name is what the audience thinks you're referring to it's not even up to me or you it's just the context so if I were speaking to people who could speak Spanish or or Dutch you know it might be different you know like um so spoiler alert Darth Vader's name Vader is is I think Dutch for father so that would be a spoiler for people watching a movie in English and I don't know what they did when they translated presumably when they translated the movie and dubbed the movie they had to do something else maybe they just changed it to Darth Father the English word and kind of hoped for the best or something else I don't know but the point is the the language is not I don't think language works that way where it's like you know the the Omri Sashay eCash just owns eCash forever because you know there was David Chaum who had the original eCash but there's also the generic idea of just e starting with something like an e-bike e-scooter e-ink display email you know everything there's just e you know e-commerce so it's just yeah the uh especially for them no one really trademarked no one trademarked it right I think it wouldn't really matter even if it did right because what if Roger Veer trademarked Bitcoin and they tried to say Bitcoin Cash are you happy Vinicus are you happy I shouted your stupid comment out could move on yeah I think it's a complete misunderstanding of how language works it's just I in a way I would certainly say that the fact that Omri's eCash went all the way down despite being a fork of a fork of a fork where like 80 to 90 percent of the supply must be totally inactive because it must be just people who are actual BTC owners who've never even heard of this and couldn't care less about it one bit and the fact that the price is 0.000 with like six zeros going on and that the whole trading volume is a tiny amount of money like less than three million dollars and the entire market cap is less than 100 million dollars in a way I think that proves that it's kind of like how everyone thinks well we could all be Satoshi Nakamoto except for Craig Wright like Craig Wright's the only person who's not Satoshi Nakamoto I would say that the the poor performance of the the Omri cash means it's like they're the only ones who cannot be called I would almost say that they're the only reason people are is because people prefer they need to use the words to sort things out they say I put all the red shirts in this bin put all the blue shirts in this bin but this is no like they've kind of like tried it out and failed is so but yeah this has been it's been asked about many times people they're very upset about it and there's nothing we can do I had a whole elaborate plan to help make them happy and everyone can see what happened as a result I had like pages of notes and explanations and like a proposal for them and they invited me on their show and then they were just like basically swearing at me and trying to say that I'm really terrible and they didn't even let me get a word in edgewise and then they actually kicked me off like two sentences into my speech and so I had like this whole thing planned you should blame Omri for running the project a terrible way but yeah I think that's very funny but on the thing in the short conversation I had they I was like okay what about bitcoin versus bitcoin cash because of course Omri Sashay he's the one who created bitcoin cash so they were like oh it's completely different if you put cash on the end it's completely different so I was like well then what if I just put what if I just say eCash.com for everything and that's like kind of to be nice but also for other reasons that's kind of like what I did like we mostly say eCash.com for stuff so it's kind of like wait real quick he's happy to wait what about gay cash okay sorry Justin go um yeah let's go it might be a good idea to catch to buy some of this other this fork of a fork you know the one that's 180 on coin market cap just in case some of the attention that this is going to get you know pumps it from a fraction of a fraction of a penny up to anything and that's what I think I was thinking like this is the best day this is the best day they've ever had is the fact that they we could shine any light on their dying project so I would agree that honestly and that was part of what I had again I had like pages of stuff I was going to say about and I also messaged Omri like months before announcing it would have been when it would have been possible still to change the name of this project and maybe sell him eCash.com of course after the announcement that's completely impossible so but I messaged him before and Omri so the whole thing is just like honestly completely baffling and it just I think it just proves like how completely useless it is for anyone to even even talk to them. I might add as someone who helped bully Omri off of Bitcoin Cash for months and months and months the guy's a massive douchebag. Well I know that he's not very popular among lots of different people and even like he again he they split off they kind of sabotaged SegWit2x in a way which I was not a supporter of SegWit2x or Bitcoin Cash but I was a supporter of Bitcoin having healthy competition but they kind of split the vote there was SegWit2x and Bitcoin Cash then after as soon as Bitcoin Cash split off there was like problems with like Omri wanting to get paid and putting a mandatory like tax for himself so apparently he kind of like ruined Bitcoin Cash and also ruined helped ruin BTC as well by just you know again because the only competitor that's everyone's sole recourse but we have to get to the important free samurai announcement and this is very important because it's very arbitrary who's getting you know some people get harassed by the government and others don't and they've been given a very unfair and I hope I just assume that everyone's already familiar with the basic details but just to refresh they made a basically a Bitcoin wallet that had some privacy features that aren't even that weren't even that good I don't even think CoinJoin is a good privacy feature at all but they put out this software for free one of them is like in his 60s and doesn't even live in the United States lives in Portugal and these are just like two normal guys I don't believe they really got so they actually had they were prosecuted for the crime of unlicensed money transmission but they had already gotten a letter from or information from I think the CFTC or whoever whoever it was saying that they are not a money transmitter and I think even the prosecution knew about this but did not disclose it during discovery or something so the point is they had to they ran out of money they uh because it's very difficult to go against the government they had to take this terrible plea deal they've been sentenced to prison for five years we already got the pardon with Ross Ulbricht so now people have been doing this free samurai stuff for a while these fundraisers and things but I was not happy with it because it's clearly not working and you know I ran into the uh the wife of um Rodriguez I can't remember her name sorry about that and Lynn Ulbricht I met Lynn Ulbricht a few times over the years of course she's super nice as mother of Ross Ulbricht she's she's really great but um you know they were kind of going around like anyway long story short I think what we should try is we need and I put out this out uh yesterday this is a $30,000 prize over a series of contests and the prize the contest goes like this we're going to try to make it our mission in life to reduce the cost of Trump pardoning these two and optionally more people because I think it could be to our advantage to staple other people to this but I'll get to that in a second we want to reduce the cost of Trump pardoning them as to as low as it could possibly be like imagine that the Trump people they don't even have five extra seconds a day we want to get so the first thing is we must assemble this giant document with like all the facts like in these different parts where we literally need the text so that they don't even have to write the text of the pardon we're just going to copy and paste the text from the Ross Ulbricht but the point is we're going to make this big PDF file or a Dropbox link or whatever it is but I think a PDF file is good that has summary the exact text the exact facts of the case we need like we're going to draft tweets that Trump could send we're going to maybe get to get see what we can put together in terms of like a photo op like when they did the I think it's called the ibogaine or the psychedelic legalization fast tracking he did that where he had Joe Rogan they have all these people come in and they pass the microphone around they all say oh Trump is so great for doing this that's what we need to do because we need to set the and the midterms are coming up we have the stand with crypto they already did a lot of work with this there's a 550 million 52 million voter block and we need to research you know that who's vulnerable in the midterms and we just put all this information in a carefully crafted document that's phase one and then once we have the document we just need to just get it out to political people of all stripes definitely including republican supporters of trump who may they may look at it and say oh this is a winning issue for trump we need i see we get libertarian of florida giving the heart which is like because this is similar to what trump did for libertarian party where he went to the libertarian party and said hey vote for me i'm actually a pretty libertarian candidate uh and he had all that stuff about you know he came and spoke at the libertarian national convention which the democratic candidate candidates did not uh you know neither biden nor or kamala did but that's what we want we want them to be fighting over our vote and we want when someone who is let's say let's say someone who's like a like a who is the who's that guy victor hansen or someone who's just like a big trump supporter someone who doesn't really care about crypto but we want them to see this pdf we want this to be the thing we're going to optimize this meme basically and try to circulate it phase two so that anyone who sees it will think okay this will just help trump win the election because it's a good issue it's a moral issue and and we all similarly we want to shop it around to the democratic party as well we want to say hey listen uh you could you know you could raise this issue of trump the issue of hypocrisy that he's leaving his 53 million voters behind if he doesn't and we just we just lay it out 53 million crypto owners in the united states and we we lay out it's not really about it's about technological progress and these people are not criminals they're not like you know it's going down the going down the train stabbing people or or breaking into people's houses and stealing stuff they're putting out open source software yo why are you such an asshole to paul paul you got to land the plane brother glad you if you're going to host the fucking space you're going to help this man what the hell are you doing paul you can't go on for 20 minutes about the same fucking question my guy seriously we got we fell asleep all right five minutes ago well the point is we're talking about free samurai okay thank you so go back a day to my tweet and follow it to the article you can win ten thousand dollars in the first phase so check it out it's a great opportunity for anyone who's uh um it's not really it has to be like a pdf it has to be like a written thing so it's probably not it's probably if you're like a lawyer or someone like that it's probably better for you better for you to try try it out but um it's very important so i don't know if anyone has any if anyone has if anyone has seen that or has any questions or or thoughts about that but please come on up and i just want to combine two of your points because samurai wallet was possibly one of the first wallets to adopt a bit 47 and they were using something that's called pain names to generate cute robot avatars for every user of the wallet with a dedicated vanity address like a name that was pretty cool and now we're trying to get them out of prison which is also cool so yeah everyone who heard this give it a try try to figure out how you can help the cause and maybe claim that bounty and also do something that's great for the entire industry because i do believe that bitcoin sort of died two and a few months two years ago and maybe a few months when the samurai developers were arrested i think a lot a lot of the privacy projects just disappeared and it seems like sailorism has remained as the dominant ideology in the space and then the crazy started with their whole filtering situation it seems like the timeline has been altered in the moment when these guys were arrested and honestly i was more of a fan of wasabi but also wasabi shut down after samurai got arrested so you know it's good to have some sort of privacy in bitcoin and it's really unfortunate that people like arthur hayes or whatever who was like oh dump on the plebs i need to buy another ferrari in the internal chats he got a pardon but for the samurai guys it's more difficult yeah i also want to add that the wasabi guys were probably federal agents and they are probably the reason the samurai guys are in jail so let's not give them too much credit really how so yeah so they spent their entire business model running their service so that they could figure out how it works behind the scenes and undermine samurai talk shit about them on the current on the timeline call them criminals and literally they were the number one haters of samurai wally to this complete bullshit dude they were doing fucking money services businesses without being licensed as being a money transmitter okay i i was warning all of those guys like two years in advance when they started doing semi-custodial fucking lightning payments i'm like dude you guys are gonna get fucking arrested you're gonna get taken in for well who are you talking about transmitter all of them fucking blue wallet fucking uh samurai yeah because samurai they were not into the lightning really uh anyway point being is they were doing semi-custodial fucking things and they were getting paid fees for it the law is very very clear on this they could have done everything for free and still be walking among us but well that's interesting i don't think the law i don't think the law is very clear personally it's time to find it mystifying but i think that's an interesting idea that if they didn't charge a fee they would be okay i'm not sure that that didn't work necessarily for um who's the other guy in florida well blue wallet shut down and then uh there were a couple others wasabi shut down they followed their cease and desist when they got it from the fucking feds yeah i should just point out that it's very hard to tell but both wasabi and samurai they hate each other and each accused the other of being a fed and just personally i do think that it's unlikely that the samurai devs are feds because they were arrested and prosecuted and then bankrupted and then put in prison so i think if anything it means that the other guys wasabi actually followed the cease and desist and ceased and desisted so yeah i'm not quite sure if that's true i don't know that much about it but why would because i know some people francis i think is a supporter of theirs and a user of theirs it's hard for me to imagine that he would do that if they ceased and desisted or if they were a fed so it's a little confusing just based on how little everyone knows about 110 before weighing in i'm i'm prepared to believe that all the people weighing in on this don't necessarily know very much about it either but continue an equal chance that we're all competing interests here that you know i'm a banker or i'm a fed or whatever even though i'm not um but the the fact of the matter is dude we're all crypto users and as far i wanted to comment on this eCash thing i didn't know i could just unmute myself uh um if there are like three projects named eCash name your shit something else you're you're just going to confuse people i mean and i'm not even going to get into like legal stuff think that they were they could be coming back on you and saying hey yo we've been listed on exchanges for like three years you have no right to name your shit the same as ours so yeah i think you're just going to confuse people and you should probably look for another name but we we would accept the name is we we would accept the name is not rebrand we we would we would we're flexible yeah the name is not changing under any circumstances so but that's interesting suggestion it'd be like if i made a vehicle and then called myself volvo or volkswagen or ford i mean dude really well we just we just talked about it for like 30 minutes why that's not the case but no yeah um what if okay what if i told you this what if i was what if there was no no volvo and i was going to create a volvo or ford but then someone said hey somewhere in in rural siberia there's a fifth grader who put out like a plastic cardboard sign and he ended up with a sharpie marker he wrote like volvo five dollars and he sold like like a hot wheels car but he didn't have any sales and no one had ever bought anything available globally and where people could participate in yeah no yeah because you could buy it globally but it but no one did so i'm just asking hypothetically would you then say that no one can ever use the name just because a five-year-old somewhere that's right once used it it belongs to the five-year-old right that's what you would say yeah that's exactly well okay i know but is there a list is there a list of every time anyone has ever used a name you know it's not even possible to comply with that rule well if that's the case then david chum really owns the term of course yes obviously yes certainly omri sashay would not own it it's just a matter of of confusion like i mean if you want people to pay attention to yours that's not what you said that's not what you said you said if there's a five year excuse me that's not what you said there's a case where there would be no confusion because there's a pointless absurd example of a of a five-year-old in antarctica where there would know it not be any confusion but you said no the whoever gets to it first is the owner right so do you still believe that yes or no yes well then it's david chum would own eCash thank you there you go there you go right so omri when's omri sashay going to change the name so are you going to change the name well i'm just i'm asking the questions here this is the kgb david chum uh went bankrupt and gave it up so to me it's free bang well i would think no he gave up eCash the regents of the university of california they would probably own his research you know yeah but you see this is the issue with like litigating this complex fluid thing of a name whereas instead it's just whoever owns the domain and you know another little another interesting little point that has nothing to do with us but eCash is owned by some weird uh company i don't even think they're in the united states that transfers money you know so and they and they and they own they own the uh uh copyright to it so technically and eCash doesn't even own even on it and and they don't care any because that's nothing to do with blockchain so at least that's what grock said maybe grock lied to me yeah but this is really not fair because i can come up with a company and name it bitcoin and say that i'm producing physical coins that have bits on them and whatever and then claim the trademark this is open source software that we're talking about and these trademarks like we're not really companies building real products we are open source projects that ship software and have users and advocates and marketers and whatever so it's very different as a business model compared to a company that's actually in brick and mortar world building something which is tangible so it's a lot more delicate when it comes to internet trademarks and domains and whatever even in the world of domain you have an expiration date you register it up to a certain point and as soon as you stop paying or you go bankrupt you lose it and i don't think it's fair especially in this world where we had craig wright that was suing developers and trying to pat and troll everyone in the space that it was necessary for an association to get brought up and make claims against his claims just to be able to well defeat him in court or whatever so it's really not cool that we we go back to trademarks and whatever like if someone wants to use the same name of course it's going to be confusing for some users but it's a free market and in the end it's going to be the market that chooses can i just add that i just went to bitcoin talk you know one of the holiest of data resources in the space and i typed in eCash and ethereum cash from 2017 is sitting right there on bitcoin talk.com so we're gonna have to go talk to that developer and get his permission yeah exactly you know many people have fed a mint it was it was a version of chow mein eCash is cashew eCash product they call themselves eCash so that's why the whole thing is absurd yep yeah and as i said it's like saying you have email or e-scooter or something and it's just it is but it is the nsa has a paper from 1996 that says um electronic cash yeah it's a very generic name water.com or something so it's not like i don't the the real reason behind all this is that i think omri knows that his project is basically dying and that the eCash name is basically the only shred of real value that contains and so this is the final nail in the coffin for him and the the dev tax that he kind of extracts and so so i feel bad for him but also i would plan on killing every single altcoin including btc now i don't know if we'll succeed but that's the that's the plan so i really it's bizarre to shed any tear for something that's ranked 175 our wonderful friend freedom monk gave us the eCash chart it's down 78 over one year uh so i put that up top for reference while we're discussing yeah it's it's quite funny that it's it's from it's very very very like we would never no one on earth can even name the top 177 or whatever 167 that are ahead of in line there's no no one would be able to name them all because many of them are just you know by the time you cross onto the second page of coinmarketcap you're already in the graveyard these are the these are the failed projects that have been tried already and so these are already on the eliminated these are the eliminated list oh i just wanted to point out my my objection is not adversarial toward you or your project or anything like that i'm talking about for you as trying to be a successful project you should probably have a very unique name something that doesn't like completely separates you from the previous projects that's all i'm saying yeah but it does though yeah whatever i mean you know your project will will probably succeed or fail on its own merits so i agree i think the name is not that important and you wouldn't believe the amount of bike shedding i get every day about every single thing about oh should we change the color to this or whatever and a lot of it is ultimately not that important but this is what people like to do is they like to get involved on the decision that they can control and so anyway no one wants to talk more about free samurai that's the most important thing okay thirty thousand dollars ten thousand dollars over the next two weeks oh i'm definitely getting in throwing my hat in the ring when we were at uh in vegas doing our our little happy hour thing um the uh the wife um of the the main guy rodriguez wife yes mrs rodriguez we should just call her that i don't know why because i can't remember her name either yeah she she came up i don't know why she came up to me and and and and she was all nervous and she said do you think he'll he'll get him out and and and i and i'll and i said i'll tell you what i told lynn olbright i i said i said it's it's not a matter of if but but when it obviously is only in for five years but i truly believe that that either the president or somebody will step in because now i i i fully support him and they've already they already gave up like what 350 million dollars was seized or something some some insane amount and this is something i wanted to bring up which is that okay and so other similar if we staple more people in there are other people have paid fines as well now it's a big difference between getting the quoted sentence versus the full and unconditional pardon which is that the pardon i think that you either get that like refunded or you don't have to pay the i'm not exactly sure but there are i think you there's like different levels of the pardon and my guess is that trump does not care one bit what line of text it says on the pardon after you know he's decided that he's gonna the people are wrongfully imprisoned so i'm just you know i'm just throwing this out here i'm not trying to say any kind of quid pro quo or anything but between okay we got a free talk live guy uh ian freeman right and uh roger veer and so we stapled like six other names into this i'm not saying we necessarily should but it's probably not it might make it easier to get the pardon because we could pool support from different people and who knows there might actually be lots of money unlocked so i'm not going to say like giant you know inflow of cash like giant party if we succeed or whatever but spf is spf in this list or not well you know the thing i think that would make it much harder but i think well the funny thing about spf of course is that as everyone's pointed out he was apparently like a savant investor because if he had just invested his own money in all this stuff that he bought he would make billions yeah he made an absurd amount so the moral of the story kids is if you're in a genius investor just invest your own money don't invest don't steal other people's money that they left they left with you yeah i just read something similar last few days ago that's the moral of the story is that yeah i know he would be fine because people are like wow if he had just whatever then yeah big if because he absolutely did the wrong thing and he's very unpopular too it would be interesting like who knows how much crypto sam beckman freed and his parents always people have my i have no idea because you would think you would think if trump because everyone's always talking about how corrupt trump is right this is a very very common talking point about oh everything's for sale but the fact that sam bangman freed is still in prison to me that would kind of prove that either sam bangman free doesn't have that much money anymore or you know trump is not everything's not for sale i mean doesn't that prove it seems like that just that's a piece of evidence that just flies or completely this is all a waiting game to get the most extraction out of him when he finally decides he's gonna pay i would believe that i would believe that as well but i would think you know i think after the first two or three months i don't believe he was real that i mean there's no way in hell he went around the world for five years in nothing but short khaki shorts and a t-shirt and sandals and lecturing fucking legislators and regulators about how to do their job and that he wasn't licensed with anybody he didn't even apply for a fucking bit license so you want to tell me the nydfs sat there and listened to his bullshit without even asking he paid many many different campaigns yeah he he donated and also he would say stuff like well we have to operate in the bahamas because the u.s regulations are too but he then he was trying to say we should improve the u.s regulation so that we can move back to the united states so he did say a lot of weird stuff so he was actually required by the nydfs to have a fucking bit license by virtue of the fact he had customers in new york but yeah but doesn't he operate in the bahamas though and it's crypto there's no bank account asked him about it no one ever i would believe that about it that's why i say he's fake didn't exist just a fucking uh money laundering mill for the democrats hello everyone if possible hello yes i'm sorry go ahead paul oh i thought you were going to say something the point is we got this free samurai thing i think we could do it if we just rolled up our sleeves a little bit okay midterms are coming up people are worried trump wants a mandate democrats want to counter mandate uh elections are coming up we got a big voting block 52 53 million people there's lots of money there's lots of talent so we need to assemble we need to make it so that my model my working model is that the trump campaign the trump staffers the republican party they're very very very very busy so they need we need they need us to make this pdf so that they can just print it out add it to their stack of stuff to read when they're on a plane or something some junior staffer somewhere reads through it and they decide you know what this has been researched very very thoroughly here are all the exact facts this is the worst case scenario what we say all the bad stuff up front also we say all the facts so we say listen this is a voting block it will make elizabeth warren and her war on crypto look bad it will make trump look gracious we can put together we'll get we'll see who we can get to volunteer ideally we would be able to get you know jesse from kraken brian armstrong all these people to agree to go to the white house for a photo op and pass on the microphone and say that it's so great that trump is supporting open source so ideally we would get that will we get all that i don't know but we'll see you know if people if we can get people to volunteer that would be really really good i don't know if we will be able to but we can at least i would draft we could draft like you know tweets and stuff that trump can send and say the whole thing is a witch hunt organized by the democrats which is basically true because it was all started in 2022 with the the dark times um so that's free samurai so hopefully if anyone has any ideas of at all of any kind please uh please send me a message unironically unironically the culture has to become something along the lines of like there needs to be meme coins popping up on solana to get the motherfucker out of jail type vibes uh at that at that level of like you know it needs to be a at that level of like you know it needs to be a narrative right now it's very low-key underground only people don't most people never use this kind of software or bitcoin or whatever i never used yes they don't even understand like what this guy if he even did anything wrong they just kind of think like crab like oh he broke the law and then that's why we need to have this this counter antibody meme pdf where just this is the one-stop pdf and it's like a table of contents and it just has everything you need to know and there's no lies in it and there's just well no i don't know if that matters look at look at look at all the like the big big big events people don't look at the details of what happens with like the guy that well maybe not but we need to put it all in one place to make it as easy as possible so that everyone knows this is the one stop i think it needs to be less is more simple there's going to be a one-page summary on the top people can't needs to be auto pin friendly yeah people don't know how to read in 2026 have you looked at the literacy rate uh right it's fucked that is i think you're onto something there but the pardon is in the form of a written document so it's going to have to become a pdf at some point can we do like a tiktok dance that would be helpful unironically tiktok dances to free roman storm and if that would help then we could try it but i don't think that it will help i think what will help is if we have actual numbers on these are the voters who will be voting in the midterms x percent of them own crypto so wouldn't you like to have a nice talking point and we'll here's a list of people who will retweet your tweet here's a list of people who do photo op and again we could donate if it was about money we could donate to you know super packs or whatever like i'm not gonna lie ross didn't get out because of money ross got out because of his mother and the fact that everybody was talking about free ross for so long that yeah i know but how do you think that happens it takes it takes well yeah you gotta start somewhere right even charles was talking about it so the best way to virally yeah i know the idea is the simpler social media blast type situation yeah but i think writing it all out no well you might be right but if so i kind of am concerned for the world because i think i think you have to have it kind of both ways where you need there has to be some substance to it i don't think it's just pure vibes you know like if it is then you know it's kind of like maybe the vibes will just change and they'll just throw everyone in jail again you know it's kind of like at the end of the day i think it's like live by the vibe die by the vibe you know whereas the substance is a little bit more it's harder to change when it's so connected to reality itself so i think that the people still respect that even if no one reads they may glance they may open the pdf glance at it for 14 seconds and think ah it seemed like someone figured this out and then just decide to go along with it and i and if so then i'll take it maybe we should wait until the clarity act is passed i don't think we should wait pause i don't think we should wait well maybe but i think we should just assume that you should never wait for feds or bankers i think we should just assume it's going to go very slowly busting him out of jail can we just do that please bust him out yeah well the problem with that is then they will find him later so he won't be able to just uh walk around and hang out with his wife and stuff so that's not really that big of an upgrade he did voluntarily surrender like a dumb ass instead of going to mexico god damn it remember ross had a uh had a a big big thing uh his the guy who's still in prison had a uh had a big plan on getting ross out of prison he said he was going to get a helicopter and go over the over the over the yard and he was going to reach down and grab his arm and pick him up off the off the field yeah yeah like so here's what i'm trying to this is what i'm trying to say though i'm not joking like obviously this is serious i am just illustrating that these memes are far more entertaining to talk about people will last they will they will make memes about breaking samurai dev out of jail etc etc far more than they will have an honest adult discussion about this okay that's what i'm saying yeah but i think so like how did ross end up with all that stuff about hashtag free ross and uh no but how do you end up with hashtag how do you end up with all these people talking about it which is that the people realize that it's their own interest no i agree yeah i agree but that's what that's what i you want people to you show people something someone who doesn't care about this like i was talking about victor davis hanson or someone like that where by the way he he certainly reads and uh you know a tucker carlson or whatever which maybe he can read i don't know it's unclear but i got that these type of people where you would show them this thing and they would look at it and they would say it doesn't it doesn't matter what they think about crypto or samurai they would just read it and they would think okay the pardon would help trump win because it would result in this photo op it was all result in these grateful people it is this huge voting 53 million voting demographic so they would then they would say purely to help trump win or i don't know what tucker carlson wants these days because they haven't looked in a while but assuming that he's still conservative they would they would add it into their their stuff of stuff to say and then eventually you end up okay but how often did we discuss when we talked about free ross how often did we discuss the fact that the fbi agents were now in jail they broke the law over and over like all this sometimes no i knew about it i i knew about it you guys are two of the biggest fucking nerds i know on crypto twitter okay first yeah but that's what i'm saying is it starts with it's like there's some people are easy to get and other people are hard to get most most people just do hashtag free ross even though if he killed the guy or not whatever yeah but they copy but they copy the smart people they like they copy the guy he was supposed to kill if anybody cares oh my god it's green he's here he was the guy who he survived though you see the point though like they don't care about a lot of the details is my point they just say a lot of people don't but some people do so we need the hashtag free but i think what paul is saying is the influential people they will want to know that it's not they will want to know that it's not just a lie like ansem and fucking these idiots you sorry you they that's the retarded influence this industry now and you guys are kind of washed out i'm sorry let's be real me too like we got to get the memes so we got to get the memers on this shit we can't just rely on the bitcoin retard maxis okay dude i i tried warning samurai wallet and and tornado cash and those guys when they were starting their business and i was looking at what their thing did i'm like you guys are going to get pulled out for for fucking money transmitting whether or not you're actually guilty of it that doesn't matter it's it's how they choose to interpret the law and as far as ross ulbricht is concerned he he never should have gone to prison he fucking made a website that's all he was responsible for well yeah you could say the same about the privacy devs though so like why are we here because the memes aren't strong enough and the government didn't understand that there's like a bunch of people here that are going to do this regardless and they should just chill well the difference there is that those services actually compete with banks you know yeah but six floats still online and no one's going to go after them you can't you don't even know who they are because they're criminals and and like that's what we're going to get stuck with if they don't let the honest guys build privacy tech like they know that right they should know that like they're not they're not getting side shift they're not getting fixed float they're not getting any of these guys because they're in russia and shit using decentralized protocols like that's smart on them then well they're gonna break the law okay these guys are trying to follow the law and like dox themselves and be american about it and they get fucked like how is that cool we need to make the memes about breaking them out of jail because that's the popular thing to get everyone to be like what the fuck are these guys talking about oh these americans went to jail for privacy tech that's it done shut the fuck up let them digest that all right that's it well you guys go hard with all this okay shit now but i think here's the thing i think the two strategies complement each other because memes are funny and they get people's attention they spread quickly and they're great but i think you still need to have something where someone says what's all this about then you can just be like bang link them to the pdf and then just then just drop the issue and ignore them and you can be like well hey all everything you need to know is in here and you can read it if you want or you can just not read it but here it is so i think that the two the two strategies i think complement each other um anyway phase two all right now what are you doing again with the you're running some sort of contest on yes i am for the free samurai guys to write a that's right okay and i'll go check out your site i have a big outline to get people started i'm sure the outline plus fable will probably get us like eighty percent of the way there and then i'm hoping because it's a contest you have to win you have to beat the other people prizes for first second and third eight thousand for first place thousand for second thousand for second and third place then we revise it twice and the and i think just just free alpha for all of you listening the winner will probably be someone who who combines it with the probably at least ian freeman uh it's hard though because it's hard to really replicate the context of how small bitcoin was in 2014 and even roger veer was accused of like misreporting his bitcoin taxes in like 2013 which is like are you kidding me in 2013 if you called up the irs and you said i want to pay taxes on my bitcoin they would have just laughed at you and instead roger hired this super expensive world-class law firm and i'm certain that he did exactly whatever they told him to do oh yeah who knows if they even knew just the point is he had two months um the statute of limitation was two months before the the feds nailed him clearly they you know i think it's clear to me that they wanted to make an example out of him just because he was a very prominent bitcoiner which is really sad well and he also pissed off a lot of traditional bitcoiners and i think they had a vendetta against him and so we had a lot of enemies and enemies and so they they they pushed the government um uh to to kind of do that that's my opinion anyway but it was yeah it's very easy for me to believe that certain people shall remain nameless but they could have easily like compiled an extremely specific technical document because there's like the 15 finders fee also so it's very easy for me to believe that one of roger veer's haters made like a giant report like what i'm saying about samurai but evil version and uh and sort of sent it over and kind of you want that's what we want to do with the free samurai thing we want to serve it on a silver platter we want to say here's all the facts we did all the work here's all the ways in which arguably maybe they were guilty just to put that in there so that trump knows that he could trust in trump's team know that they could trust the document because they're already in prison so it's like whatever we should put stuff you know we should put anything in there that helps them trust the the integrity of the document and then uh so that's what we need to do we got to serve it up on a silver platter so that they don't have to lift a finger every time they check something in the document they found oh this is this document is exactly accurate everything in here is true so that when we say that this is a totally pointless crime about people writing open source code and this is nothing at all like unlicensed money transmission and and there's enormous amounts of actual fraud taking place in other systems that's never prosecuted and this whole thing is ideological and that it's a chilling effect on innovation and entrepreneurship so they believe all that when we actually say that and then he just says yeah whatever trump's like yeah i'll have he needs a photo op on a random wednesday and we can make that happen for him at least i hope we can i could call in a few favors hopefully we get some people to volunteer to go obviously trump is an extremely controversial figure i think someone using ai slop to make an ai slop break them at a jail video game on flash uh put it on a website that would probably get way more engagement and success than like we could actually get some momentum here than us having a pipe dream of donald trump saving our ass like are you guys serious well what do you mean other than that about breaking them out we have to ask them out we have to ask the next guy donald trump's not doing shit for you bro are you kidding me well it won't matter because it's a five-year timeline so the reason they're in jail and the wasabi devs are not is because the wasabi devs followed the um finson um blacklist or blacklisted coins i don't know that may be true that could easily be true i don't know enough about it um it could be but the reason why we have to try something like railgun right now on ethereum is allowed and also why tornado cash is still around but they have this filtering where they receive from blockchain analysis firms a list of UTXOs that are not supposed actually on ethereum they don't have UTXOs they they have accounts addresses so they do have like a list of participants that they're not allowing to join and maybe that's what makes them fine honestly what i think got the samurai developers in trouble was the social media activity where i think after the ukraine war started they were tweeting well russian oligarchs if you want to launder your money or whatever come use samurai or whatever so i think that's what got them in trouble the speech it wasn't necessarily the tool itself it was the perception of what you can do with the tool um i agree i think they had very edgy marketing which was terrible when they they had to like have they're in a situation where you know the prosecution could have like printed that up and make a big poster board of the tweet and like showing it to the jury and it wouldn't look out of context or when it not as a joke it would look really bad so i would completely agree um the reason we have to try now because i just want to quickly say we have to try now because the midterms will be over soon and then if david bipp 110 fake fake 110 is right that we have to go to the next president that will already be another like two and a half years so there'll already be like three and a half years into the five-year sentence and so kind of just like won't be as worth it so this is the only time i want to say everyone to please donate to curtis green to his gofundme and then specifically i know that i read his curtis's book he's here on stage and that i wanted to say that you can if there was some way that we could petition the government to give you back the bitcoin that you legally mined that's rightfully yours and that was mined on your computers in a such a way that they can save face and not make them look bad that would be the the best way to do it but i don't know how to how that would go about or how to do that yeah everyone should donate to curtis greens go find me um hopefully you can find the link to it someone put the link hopefully um that would hurt i'm just gonna be real with you brother you're probably better off launching a salon of shit coin getting over with my man uh welcome back to the the mud uh let me just say the mud is the best metaphor you can give it and all these fucking assholes ain't donating shit they're assholes now bro they don't they don't got no libertarians left around this bitch they're all a bunch of salon of shit coiners they always want to fork each other's shit and talk shit about each other behind each other's back and work with fucking chinese government and praise the fucking of wallahi's michael saylor bought more coins like i don't know you the better way is just to drop the salon of shitter i think and then be like i'm the guy that you know etc salon of shitter had here's my banner here's my ticker uh it's probably easier you're probably right you know like uh maybe if curtis you could like talk to some lawyers maybe you know uh make some kind of contingency arrangement and go after those bitcoin that would be cool you know it's something you might take off it's a reasonable shot yeah it's a good idea yeah there's there's so many you know my my where i screwed up was i only had like so many years um because the cops violated my civil rights and um i didn't know that i was just getting myself out of my own mess and had i paid more attention he's saying the statute of limitations may be up on them yeah they're up they're up on them yeah they you know and i and i if i was thinking straight i could have not only gone after them but i could have gone after the federal government because they were under um they were they were doing it under their duty they were they were doing it under uh while they're working you know and it wasn't like on the side and but it is what it is and i missed that opportunity i guess but all i can do i mean didn't curtis didn't two fbi agents go to prison yeah well yeah yeah one was a dea agent and one was a secret service agent and he was on the obama detail um uh at this at the same time he was stealing um the bitcoin and and and what he was doing was he was he he was stealing the bitcoin and making it look like i stole he was making vanity addresses like the first vanity address catherine han you know the old coinbase vice president she's the one who who prosecuted it and and she goes we're not we looked at that at vanity address it was number one and it was curtis screen sr and they like who in their right mind would put send a thousand bitcoin stolen bitcoin with their own name on it so that was my that was my first uh uh uh help that uh that sean bridges gave me uh and and and and and and then and then he then they cashed most of it out and then he he hit he hit it he hit he hit like two or three thousand um bitcoin and he he lied about it until he was prosecuted sentenced and then they found it and they added a couple more years to it so uh which which they got off very light uh they got i think six or seven years apiece um but for what they did you know i i had to testify in their um i didn't testify in their trials but i i testified as a victim uh and and it oh they were they were just they were just so evil they were just everything that they did was oh you just can't describe you know i would let's put it this way i'd like a room just five minutes with sean bridges but and and but yeah they are they they have nothing you know he they they just did everything in their power to uh you know put you know to make like like who are they going to believe they're going to believe federal agents i mean here he was in the nsa and the secret service and then the de agent or they're going to believe a guy that worked on silk road you know i i was i was an easy patsy for him and and if it wasn't for the blockchain this is where i was the blockchain saved my ass because it showed all the transactions show i mean it was where they went you know it was it was the perfect paper trail and and and and i thought oh thank god for the blockchain just think just think if those agents had used samurai they might have and then yes exactly so uh you know so well but i i'm still before the samurai guys getting out but but but still though that would have that would have caused a lot of problems for me had you know because yeah i was joking but the government didn't give a rat's ass about me doing it working on silk road what they cared about they wanted they wanted those 30 000 bitcoin that i apparently stole that's all they cared about and and i'm like like well i can't i didn't steal it i'm not gonna lie curtis if just you know the fact that you could have had 30 000 bitcoin and you don't right now it's kind of that's on you bro like we'll chalk it up to the end you better get into the trenches you better get a fucking phantom wallet you better throw 20 at a rug i know i gotta start i gotta start dollar cost averaging right now oh brother what a what a time well you still maybe joe's right like you might want to i know this is the last thing that david wants to hear but you might want to type up all the facts into like a bullet point and then and then you could go to because a lot of them they'll take a contingent you know which is like they they don't get paid unless you know you pay nothing unless they win and maybe it's the whole thing is just so embarrassing for the government that they even though i don't know how the timeline works but i would i would rather you hear it from someone with lots of lots of experience you know these giant i just find it crazy you guys don't have faith in the system that's all i mean good luck i have fun i hope you're the best hmm okay wait it's possible maybe i mean there might be a problem with uh statute of limitations but god paul there might be but of course but i'm not sure like if the amount is really big doesn't it like start to like go up to like being like like doesn't it eventually become like a class a felony or something and then i don't know i don't know i don't know the rules i don't know any of the rules i don't know what i'm talking about i'm just curious about david bip 110 not his real name but he's from washington not france and i'm just wondering how old you are i just want to know because there's like you know there's waves there's waves of like cynicism there's like generational waves you know i'm having a midlife crisis and i've spent the last 15 years arguing about bitcoin i apologize i know a little bit pessimistic so you're like about 35 you say yeah see i would have thought that that would have made you like a hardier millennial because you lived in the before time before when there was only a long instant messenger i've spent i was the last uh i don't know how long like i started with bitcoin obviously but then i got into like the every altcoin like literally worked on half the core team art coin shit coin projects you guys made fun of forever because these guys didn't know anything about anything so i would just go around helping them understand crypto but like uh yeah i did d5 and shit coins i've done everything i'm just tired i'm exhausted i hate all of you i think everyone's a larp we've gone down such a wrong path of crypto like the best thing i can do is sit around in ordinals and make fun of people as a bitcoin puppet these days and not lose my mind um because everyone's larping and everyone's jerking each other off and then michael saylor shows up and they want to suck his dick and it's just like i don't even recognize this industry anymore honestly so uh yeah i'm just kind of joking half the time i mean i agree with a lot of that like how the industry sucks oh sorry uh no i i agree with that too but i just wanted to point out that as somebody who's been involved since the very beginning i could easily state that it's always been this way and we only noticed it because we got involved in it yeah that's fair no i get it um i don't know it's just too much to talk about for me personally if you guys want to listen to me yeah for a fucking hour maybe but you don't want to um but yeah i feel you uh it's just like i like i said i just do bitcoin puppet troll people like right now we're trolling the bit 110ers because it's fun not because they're intimidating or anything it's just like we got nothing else to do right so let's go make fun of these retards you know uh and that's the life that's the life of i'm stuck here i can't leave i'm i didn't get 30 000 bitcoin like curtis did and lie about it for 15 years and then hiding in an island somewhere you know i can't do that i i have to earn it i got robbed uh so i have to earn it back twice and then i and then i lost it all on shit coins and nft so i got to earn it back again a third time like i'm i'm i don't have any hair left what do you want from me dude if you've got that much iq in this space under your belt you could start an altcoin yourself i already know i forked bitcoin seven years ago and it's still running it's called the vault and we're updating it with on-chain uh ordinals right now thank you though good i i hope it doesn't have a block size limit because that's the only thing holding it's at 32 megabytes right now because no one uses the chain and but we could adjust it we don't care we're just trying to do everything on chain on a bitcoin UTXO stack without going to L2s and we're gonna make paul's coin go to zero oh sorry but seriously competition is good because like pro competition the way they they began enforcing it they they set it to where it didn't even go into effect until 2014 so like if you look back at bitcoin's adoption if you look between 2012 and 2014 it was the greatest retail expansion that it's ever had and as soon as we could no longer depend on our transactions going being included in the next yeah you're talking to someone who's a big walker crab you know this come on don't lecture me brother i'm just saying for the for the crowd here i okay okay for the crowd sure hi i'm dancing you guys want to see my dick uh no um paul i think the thing is is like i want i want us before we get to paul's solution for scaling i want to see us do what you're saying i want to see us pump as much L1 activity as we can humanly push reasonably so that the chain still works properly and all that stuff but i don't want to see this 10 minute block i want to see two minute blocks i want to see you know 32 megabyte on L1 bitcoin stuff like this and people are going to yap about their raspberry pies could eat my asshole okay but first of all haven't we done that already with haven't we seen people push the boundary on L1 which include bitcoin sv as well as solana i'm not no no no no no because then you guys all disregard the argument that the reason bitcoin is in charge isn't because of tech the reason because big is charged because it has the most fucking velocity of brand and things like this like everyone just throws all that out the window and they're like well look at bitcoin cash that failed so obviously the technicals are irrelevant like that's the dumbest don't do that don't do that please you can make me mad it's right now not because of tech the one megabyte block size on bitcoin is inferior to reality guys come on right now the one megabyte block size on bitcoin isn't full so i just i don't see it's a binding constraint you know why it's not full joe you know why it's not full because we spend 12 hours a day telling people to go use solana and not onboarding them to bitcoin and telling them that bitcoin isn't meant for anything except for holding michael saylor's bags that's what we tell them yeah it's not all about marketing though you know like the fees are low they could use it they don't we gotta make we do no we do we do what do you think half the transactions are right now do you even know what's going to the mempool right now i do it's not bitcoin transactions i'll tell you that yeah let me just ask you then it's a bunch of shit coins on on indexers that's what it is sure but okay so here's the thing you said we we need to do is push L1 that's what you said and i'm just saying i'm just asking what does that mean like what would it look like if we did i want to see what are you waiting for i want to i want to see 2015 2016 full block steam adoption levels of usage again and then well i don't can't you just shouldn't you just launch just launch more more um whatever more uh ordinaries sure well we got this have you ever heard of Blockstream i think it would literally well to fill up the blocks today i mean if it's really one sap for a b-byte it was also like 20 labs paul have you heard of adam back have you heard of the federal government okay so they all want us to believe that using L1 is a sin and we are polluting the world especially luke also lightning network and we should open a channel and we should open 1.5 billion channels to scale to current activity levels and that we should um not realize that lightning requires a larger block size and that we should lie to people endlessly about the future of bitcoin without proving it right now and all these other stupid things so like i don't you guys get me hit me with this well we'll go fill up the blocks like well what do you think ordinals is doing why do you think i'm in ordinals i'm in ordinals too unlike everyone else who wants to run off and do their own thing and cry about boohoo i am actually here trying to push the block size to be used properly and everyone's and moaning oh it's i know but i know but i know but you were saying instead of the eCash august ecx hard fork instead of my idea basically you're saying instead i like your idea i like your idea but i'm just saying like i hate that we're getting you say i want i prefer push L1 and then you say it has to be like it was in 2014 2015 but that's how it was in 2014 2015 and that did not immediately result in the utopia right so that can't be the only ingredient because of politics though well that's but that's part of what this project's trying to solve bitcoin anymore because the minimum fee is too high right because it's too unstable and you don't know what you're gonna pay the delay also rbf rbf was the original sin i will sit on that i will die on that hill i think even framing it in terms of fees is actually misses the point also which is to say when the blocks were full you wouldn't necessarily know how long it would take to even people would try to pay then it wouldn't go through and they would call customer service that's why we wanted bigger and bigger blocks and a faster block time that solves that problem yeah supposed to be including them as we receive them not resorting them based on the transaction fee yes yes yeah so bid pay would get i think they said like 45 times as high the customer is a federal agent amari section is a federal agent lucas is a federal agent adam back is a federal agent greg fucking everyone's a federal agent like what the fuck why are we stuck in a room with everyone i don't like is a fed is definitely a federal agent can i have this one about the block wars i feel like there's some important details that's that are not in the book the block size wars can anyone with that was around that era you're talking about you're talking about jonathan book jonathan's book i couldn't quite hear you were just saying was anything omitted from the book it's not my book show war that's not in that book i gotta go flip through the book and quickly reread the entire thing to remember exactly what's in there because i know what i know what really happened because i lived through it and i've read the book i know but i can't remember what's not i can't remember the thing is we all live through it but we all think different things so what the fuck actually happened i'm talking to i'm talking to jonathan a few times and i think he and i actually agree on that the orthodox story is not accurate and he and i agree that really mostly what happened was um the large blockers were a little too overconfident in their ability to pull off the hard fork it had very little to do with who was right about the block size war and they kind of you know um mike hearn was pushing for xt and they thought they thought this between having you know uh all these big companies bitpay and uh coinbase and 83 of the miners on our side we represent the real center of gravity in bitcoin and so then they they signed they had a number of ham-fisted implementations so imagine large blocks are a really good idea you got to separate the idea from the execution the it's just purely a statement of fact that whatever they proposed was not large blocks they proposed bitcoin classic two megabit bitcoin xt was eight megabytes bitcoin classic was two megabytes then SegWit2x was sort of like 4.4 megabytes or it's kind of hard to explain exactly what that was and then finally bitcoin cash so even if you thought large blocks were the answer that was never put forward by them and in fact gavin andreason i remember specifically he tweeted and he went on reddit and he said no one is proposing an unlimited block size so back then no one was pushing we had the same conversation now like we can't keep going back and saying okay well we decided this 10 years ago we decided this 10 years ago like the circumstances are now different i'm not saying we should the question was what what happened in the book sure that was different and so i'm saying the author of the book and i agree that what really happened was the large blockers they they kind of didn't they jumped the gun on various things they tried this and that and they jumped the gun and kind of failed and that that's what happened it actually had very little to do with i have a more glorious thing on what wasn't included because he didn't he didn't like the book isn't really in like a conspiratorial way right like it's just more about like a personal view of the things and like some other people's views yeah like if you go to conspiracy level stuff though like we now know that like epstein funded in part you know some Blockstream stuff we now know a couple of these weird modern you know takes on things that like and then you take all what epstein was into what they were doing clearly there could have been in a conspiratorial way an effort to you know it inspire some form of early control into Blockstream with like being austin hall being a co-founder with epstein these kind of things right these relationships that sort of create perverse incentives like within the team and then like people like greg maxwell clear fed you know there's something wrong with that guy uh you know all these guys have something wrong with luke or something i don't know how the fuck there are you know i don't it's weird bro it's weird it's like they put people in charge of things because they have control of them and that's what it feels like to me everywhere i look in this fucking space these days and it's like how do you not i think we don't need the ad hominem though because if but if they are it's true that they are weird and it's true they have bizarre personalities how is that greg well he literally tells us on reddit to our face that he's doing botnets to silence us like what yes of course and he called himself as master of master of socks like master that's that's not like something we call hey that's a fed that is a federal fucking agent well and here's the thing it doesn't matter who says it it's either true or it's false and then you can you can always play this game where you can say well actually he was a fed but he was a good fed he was secretly trying to sabotage the feds and you can say actually he was never a fed it was it was a reverse reverse you can do you know you ever see that cartoon spy versus spy you can always like switch the plot at the last minute is we can't be too nice obviously there would be some sort of level to this where they would apply those kind of pressures to the space right like there why is it so crazy for someone like me to say there's a large-scale botnet trying to manipulate our opinions on cryptocurrency subject matter so that we can't get ahead like we did with bitcoin when bitcoin had the cambrian explosion of ideas that came with it we can't keep doing that because the government cannot keep up with that so they are forced to try to contain that system right this gets us aware all this fed talk you know there's no proving it there are bad arguments on both sides and even call anybody a fed and we have to address the arguments it just like it sounds bad if you call everybody a fed even if you're right it's just this like we can't get anywhere from this more important i i agree joe and i think that it's more important to recognize that we're all cryptocurrency users that that's what satoshi actually did he made us all fucking end users of this tech and nobody's word here is any more valuable than anybody else's it's what you do that really matters yeah which is why i agree going back to the block size stuff again it's also kind of like okay we're arguing over what exactly caused the reduction in usage in bitcoin i mean i can look at it right now and see nobody's using it right now only one megabyte block size so that's not the limit but you have some other theory okay fine but the point of Drivechains is that you guys can have your large block what are they using in this case though well how many transactions are happening on other chains like look at solana like it's because the fee is so small and it's so instant that that none now the users they just all go instead it's a separate thing that's a separate dimension though we're just talking about block size okay we could sure we got to keep it simple sure but block size finality though right so let's be fair yeah yeah no i agree i agree block space is what defines whether or not we can have virtually instant transactions before we started enforcing the block size limit it was less than 10 minutes because your transaction was certain to end up in the next block no but it depends on node policy it's not it's not that simple i'm telling you it is that i was there i was there 2010 somebody introduced the block size limit and even back then people were saying oh it's satoshi's more than one person because this guy thinks ddos attacks are going to work against bitcoin which they aren't and they're not effective against it anyway point being is that even back then people were saying that whoever introduced the block size limit probably wasn't satoshi and that it was drew so much contention in that people started saying that oh there's there's more than one guy there's there's a group called satoshi and it wasn't that there was a group it was that they found satoshi they killed him and then they used his accounts to introduce that so so this is a theory but i would just say like it doesn't matter right paul fixed this right now this unlimited block size across space has it's history though biggest stumbling block we've had it's history taking direct gotta move on payments you gotta it doesn't change anything about the plan going forward you're back to fucking bankers running everything again okay i just want to say we only have 11 minutes we only have 11 minutes left so uh you know the goal is kind of to have all the you know the haters of eCash joined which they rarely do um well i can be a hater i can be a hater give me the hate real quick i hate uh well people would rather just talk about the fashions of the day they'd rather talk about 110 or whatever which is fine we can indulge to some extent i just want to remind you one hater can i get one hater point in for the people down there please especially if you've heard someone else be a hater you could i've been to all these spaces point i've been to all these spaces paul i listened to you yeah okay all right we're in the modern zoomer era of adhd you gotta you gotta like simplify your points a lot more and get to the point within like two to four minutes otherwise you lose these motherfuckers down there i'm sorry that's why you always get these same nerdy group of people down here and not like what's eCash there's a bitcoin fort coming whoa bro let's check you know you need the retards in here so you got to kind of cut cut the the you know the explanations down a little bit it's really hurting you i'm not gonna lie okay great thanks that's when i say you ever see that movie amadeus uh when the guy's giving uh mozart he tells him he didn't give them a good bang at the end of songs to let them know when to clap and then most of us maybe you can give me lessons in that but the point is um yeah hey did you ever hear milton friedman has this line about there's idea manufacturers and idea distributors and also the quote is actually longer but i'm gonna short it shorten it for your benefit which is that some people come up with the ideas and then other people you got like a neil degrasse tyson you know what i mean he like ships it to the joe rogan world and then the joe rogan he he ships he like retails it to his and then there's a lot of people don't listen to any we need to get vlad an editor so you can do the the clipping shit the clipping shits all the heat right now on all the social media platforms like 30 people do the clips yeah the clips is all the matter right now people do the clips people do the clips i'm not sure i'm not sure anybody could clip you though your clip would be like five minutes long you know well the free samurai i think it's just kind of a separate case but yeah we need a background so sorry i didn't hear what did you say uh i said yeah i said we need a tiktok dance and all the all the memes and stuff yeah definitely okay we can go back to talking about if no one has i just want to say i just wanted to remind everyone we're in the last nine minutes so we can go back to talking about the block size or well what we should do with this bit 110 is hot right now y'all y'all are y'all are sleeping on this right you gotta you guys gotta jump into the argument a little more even though it's dumb and pointless and all that and it's never gonna happen you gotta i think it's funny you guys are all 110 yeah this is the whole thing is like they won't let it they won't talk to the ordinals people so we're gonna infiltrate you know i think you guys should infiltrate a little bit too put it at docs no no pfps only adult white guys okay this is the key right it has to be an adult white guy it has to have laser eyes and nothing else matters if you put hashtag bit 110 in your name you automatically get followers so if you suck at twitter you know that's a good way to get some followers just hashtag bit 110 in your name and then you know the mechanic yeah the fake mechanic guy who is muck annick and he does the imitation of him that was incredible that was very funny there's a luke's lawyer ocean's lawyer uh he's a there's so many parody accounts to the point where i go into these spaces and i'm thinking like wait half of these motherfuckers are parody accounts what am i doing up here right now like there's not really any there's more parody accounts than the jokes on you this is why he was talking about ad hominem is because what if what if they reveal to you at the end and they and then luke says i myself was this whole thing was a parody it was all just for entertainment we were never going to do bip 110 that's what he's gonna say and you have just we have we've tricked you it was all about tricking you 100 so that's why i think shemari wants to ask a question about the github okay he's not in the chat see here's the thing shemari's not in the chat he still doesn't want to download a chat program to ask a question so he waited he waits for the space fair enough to ask this is all he's got technical questions welcome to the stage oh yeah thanks um just really i realize this is not you know appropriate for me to be um engaging with you here but do you have another way that i can like directly communicate with you regarding like some of the issues with the uh issues in the github because i do you several times and like you haven't really engaged at all in the issues yeah Truthcoin in github um that might not be me i may be peace dorks on github maybe maybe that's what it was but i mean your name came up in in the issues um that i that i impersonating me but i will look and i don't you know because now you know the team is really good so uh they were mostly handling that but yeah you can also you can also dm me on it on x i think i don't know if you have or not but it's weird because they but once i dm you back it will because it like triages the messages i don't know if it does this for everyone but it like assumes every dm is a spam well i mentioned that in because i i've messaged you um just generally on x and you did mention that you were going to publish the bug list because i'm trying to understand moving forward now i am yes i'm gonna do it today you know the next challenge like where where is that going to be published though uh probably here on on twitter and then it'll probably be like a google doc or something okay okay cool and then um you mentioned saturday you're doing a trial run um are you gonna have you know lead up to that as well well this will be the first one so it'll probably be disaster so i didn't want to make too much of a public announcement about it but we're gonna do like seven or something i'm gonna do like one a week uh i think so that will start to happen because that will give people a very good idea of exactly what the hard fork will be like and then uh if they're a huge disaster then we'll see why and if they work perfectly then everyone will know what to do so yes specifically i'm looking to get a new Drivechain added um you know any way possible so that that's the guidance i'm looking for like how how would you recommend like last week we spoke about that well on the real network it has to have real miners i happen to know you know just because i know the people who've expressed interest in mining this fake this is again this is like a like a testnet with fake coins but so but yeah probably on github is probably fine if you don't use telegram telegram is where most people converse but i think github would also work yeah i i mean i'm obviously on x i can dm you um but i just you know i have a proposal in github an issue like probably about two weeks ago i submitted it uh for a Drivechain so i haven't got any engagement on it are you on telegram or not i don't i don't use telegram just because of the kyc so that's not an option i am on discord though and i was hoping maybe now there would have been a discord eCash discord yeah there's supposed to be a what's that thing that plugs them all together someone said they were doing that last week but i didn't haven't looked it is kind of becoming a large project so even though i i know a lot about what everyone's doing it is a lot to keep track of uh but whatever it is i think someone was setting you don't you don't have an official discord still correct well there should be i think um i think this person was going to create it the guy vlad you know what i'm talking about uh cryptico shiny emoji or whatever the person was um and and you can actually oh sorry i was saying you can sign up for telegram without a username and without giving them your phone number you'll just appear like a spam spamming type of user i i don't i didn't know that i'm not really sure how that works um is there any like where would i how would i start that also i'm not i don't know anything about this specifically but i know for a fact that people can buy there's like websites where you can just buy now i don't know if this works or if they they take the account back later or something but i know you can buy like telegram accounts for like five dollars or two dollars or something so um not but i don't know like how well i've never done that but i you can there are all these sites where you just like how many fake accounts do you want to buy it's kind of terrible really but they do exist yeah i get spam phone calls all the time there's a way to do it so you could just uh i'm sure you could find it yeah um that's just a consequence of us being very active on telegram yeah the telegram is where a lot of discussion happens yeah no i just i more more i mean i'm not looking to really get social it's just the the issues that i've submitted haven't been really engaged with except for the one where i did see them actually submit a pr so that's why i really wanted the bug list to kind of understand like where my issue stood amongst all the others um but if you're going to release that today then i'll just wait for that and then i'll you know follow up you know afterwards okay great yeah if you guys are bored uh we're doing a space in an hour of the bitcoin puppets which is like an ordinals community but we're just basically going to troll the uh bit 110 guys all day long and then an hour after that or like i think an hour and a half after that yeah there's like a debate between jim and leonidas and they're arguing about bit 110 bullshit and i think this is like the meta right now you guys gotta you know we don't we can talk about shimari's technicals all the time but like if you want to be where the people are at and the attention is that you got to go in and make fun of the bitcoin bit bit 110 retards you gotta you know call michael say they are fed and you know we got to connect the bridges paul we can't just sit in the corner on an island over here talking about you know eCash and the eCash one quick thing because i am working on a kind of like an arena app because i do i kind of feel like you know again kind of you know um reiterating um what you guys are talking about like there's really kind of getting kind of boring in terms of like leading up to the launch in terms of there's nothing to actually do with the eCash because now we have the wallet uh which is awesome by the way really really great job on that mobile wallet but um there's nothing to do like once you actually get the um the testnet coins the signal coins you get like three of them and all you can really do is post like on CoinNews so i started working like on a just just vibing by coding some um some things that you can actually like play you know with the those signet coins and hopefully um that'll be ready by next week and i can possibly make this a little more or less boring for you guys okay great and that does sound fun david trolling those people we'll be a little busy later today but have fun with that i mean see here's the thing what are you going to achieve if you do is you're just gonna so usually how it goes is we take one guy has already one more little guy to come up and like he's not really the most intelligent guy he doesn't understand what money is you know we the basic concepts that he just can't fathom like what the fuck data is right like why is arbitrated data part of bitcoin like these people we go through these really funny simple concepts with these guys but it's like almost like a patronizing way to like talk down you know to be like hey here let me help you retard you know like i guess we're stuck here with you in the room together so we might as well talk about something right and then we kind of just try to educate them while knowing they're not going to listen um because we have nothing better to do ordinals are down 99 anyways and this gives us a way to unite as a community and bully someone else other than the node monkeys you know what i'm saying like that's kind of the only reason honestly you guys could do it too though you guys could unite us the eCash guys you guys could shit on the bit.10 dumbasses and be like by the way drive trains are coming you know mic drop and walk out of the discord and walk out of the spaces you know but instead what we do around here is we come up here every week we listen to shimari talk about how the github and this and the fucking technicals and this drive chaining is trying to go live next week and then and then the only people down there are all these dumbasses that are from the ordinals community waiting for me to say something stupid come on guys you want you want the onboarding we gotta we gotta we gotta make it fun you know we gotta make it a little more entertaining i'm trying to help i swear i promise i agree i agree yeah it should be more than this yeah it's true well hey daniel daniel craver's video is out today you can see it on my twitter or on the youtube eCash youtube so uh that is fun although he's definitely not a gen z you know he it's not a tiktok video so like can we get a bip 110 Drivechain announcement right like come on paul that would be funny i think you know actually fingers okay well yeah there's gonna be lots of stuff coming out so so uh there's plenty to look forward to i think but we'll have to end it here so thanks very much i hope everyone enjoyed listening i hope people enjoy the recording we'll be back next week if anyone really wants to talk about anything in particular they should request it maybe we'll talk about it and uh have a great rest of the week now vlad is the host so he has to end it i cannot end it yeah i just want to say before vlad ends it Zcash is going to zero it's a massad coin uh Zcash is not the real bitcoin uh the zk technology is overrated and uh he's not here to defend himself so he can't stop me uh if you really want privacy you should just mix bitcoin uh they didn't throw the Zcash developers in jail they threw the bitcoin mixer developers in jail i wonder why maybe because the tech actually works better at scale without needing to have a black box where you hide in the corner of the closet and don't admit you're gay maybe just stop being gay and use bitcoin man like what are you doing over here Zcash is not the future okay stop believing in zuko zuko doesn't even care about you vlad he doesn't know who you are does that work did it work i want to get in david's head about this though he invested in every other altcoin for the past 10 years but uh okay so no no no in my defense i don't have a problem with Zcash actually i helped work on a lot of the early like zero coin stuff uh like as like a community guy and all this other shit but no i don't have a problem Zcash i just trolling him because i know he loves Zcash and he's afk there you go okay fair enough fair enough i just had to get his attention you know yeah he's a pro uh he's pro solana meme coin but but Zcash is no no don't say that about me don't you dare say that about me i hate solana that chain that chain should die that is fed chain okay i guess everything's a fed chain well i don't see everyone all right see you guys