1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,760 Hello, everyone. This is Alex Waltz. 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:04,720 And this is Paul Sztorc. 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,480 And this is Bitcoin Reservations. Can you dig it? What's happening, Paul? 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,200 How did the quality of your existence fluctuate during the last week? 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:16,720 That question is never on the notes, but you always ask it. 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,560 Okay. Yeah. So you're still avoiding it. 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,960 I don't know. I thought it was fine. I don't know. I'm not prepared for this question. 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,320 I didn't really think about my life too much. 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,640 Okay. Let me try a different question then, if you're not prepared for it. 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,640 How many times did you jerk off this week, honestly? 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,960 Oh, like a lot. Hundreds. 12 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:39,200 You're more comfortable answering. 13 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:39,760 I think I'm joking. 14 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:44,400 I know. I'm laughing because you're more comfortable answering this than the other one. 15 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:45,680 Yeah. Well, it was a real question. 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,360 Okay. Sure. It's a real question. All right. 17 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,600 You know, I was just curious what you were up to this week. 18 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:58,080 I got a lapel mic, but apparently it's not good enough. So now I have to hold this microphone. 19 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:04,640 So this week had its ups and downs. The lapel mic was a down. 20 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,080 Right. I see. 21 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:08,960 Yeah. 22 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:16,160 Okay. Anyway, okay. 23 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,960 I have to hold this microphone like a loser because if I put it on the table, it doesn't 24 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:21,600 work very well. 25 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,160 You know what? You come off a bit insecure needing to explain to people why you're holding 26 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,720 the mic like this. You should just hold the mic and be like, I don't give a fuck. 27 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:29,760 I'm going to hold it. 28 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,400 Well, that's why I picked it up off the table in the first place. 29 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,520 So, but I guess I do give a fuck. I don't know. 30 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,040 It's not a problem about giving a fuck. The problem is giving a fuck about the right 31 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,560 things. And I was like, if I would be in your shoes, well, I was in your shoes and I got a 32 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,840 fucking microphone stand. But if I was in your shoes, I would hold it in my armpit and I would 33 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,920 talk like this, you know, just to prove a point. 34 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:55,120 Like the lapel mic, I can like stick it in. 35 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,640 Yes, you should do it like that. You should try and do it like that. 36 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,960 Should have done that and then just not explained it at all. 37 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:02,400 And there's also another thing. 38 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,000 I said, I got a new lapel mic. 39 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,600 And there's also another thing right now. You see, you clearly have a small penis because 40 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,520 if you'd have a big dick, you could just hold on your dick. This isn't a microphone stand. 41 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,920 I have to confess right now what you're seeing here. 42 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:16,480 I see. 43 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,040 Yeah, I didn't know it worked like that. 44 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,440 I had to get creative. It's long, but thank you for teaching me. 45 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:24,880 Long, but sharp. Yeah. 46 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:25,520 That's yeah. 47 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:33,360 Anyway, it has to get in. It has to be sharp. You know what I'm trying to say? 48 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:36,800 No, you don't. 49 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:37,520 No, I don't. 50 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,080 Are you a virgin? Have you never fucked a woman? 51 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,320 Sharp. Okay. All right. Sure. 52 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:45,440 Call me the needle. 53 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,000 Got it. Okay. 54 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:56,720 Anyway, in other news, I've tweeted something that got a bit of attention today. 55 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,000 This last week, you know, it happened a few days ago, actually. 56 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:02,320 What was it? 57 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:08,160 Well, for the people who don't know, I did a local Bitcoin trade in 2017, February. 58 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,400 Wait, what about shout out? What about shout out to Cypher Skunk and Brian Harrington? 59 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,840 We forgot shout out. Anyway, shout out to Cypher Skunk and Brian Harrington. 60 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,960 That was number one on the list. I was ready for that. 61 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:22,240 They always ask me these vague questions. 62 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:27,600 How did the quality of your existence change? I don't, you know, not ready for that. 63 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:33,520 Okay. Shout out to Brian and to Cypher Skunk, who they submitted some proof on 64 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:38,560 the Twitter blockchain that they listen to our podcast. So we have two people who listen to us. 65 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:39,680 It's up to two. 66 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,120 Up to two. Yeah, that's good. 67 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,800 We're up from one to two. That's 100% growth. 68 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,320 I mean, that's how an exponential starts. Like, why am I saying here, you know? 69 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,600 Anyway, they got enough attention. Let's get back to me, okay? 70 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,680 The show is about me, not about the fucking people. 71 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,280 Yeah, he moved himself up to basically the first slot. 72 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,040 He was determined to talk about this, everyone. 73 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:04,000 Yes, I am fucking determined. 74 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,040 He wants his money back. 75 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,040 I want my fucking money back. 76 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,080 He wants money. He, you know, he played the Bitcoin game 77 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,080 and his Pokemon game got reset and he's in denial. 78 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,080 He thinks that he can get his level 76 Charizard back. 79 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,320 So what happened? Let's bring a bit of fucking context. 80 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,160 I go on a fucking trade and a guy with his girlfriend, they fucking robbed me. 81 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,400 I swear to fucking God, there's even pictures of them. 82 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,800 The girl looks like fucking Lil' Kim. Lil' Kim fucking robbed me. 83 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,080 You know what I'm trying to say? 84 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,440 No, but I do want you to know, I want to know about how they robbed you. 85 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,040 Like you met them and then they had a briefcase full of cash or what? 86 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,000 How did it go down? 87 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,360 So how did it go down? 88 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:42,800 So again, all of this could... 89 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,560 As a warning to other Bitcoiners. 90 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,960 Well, all of this could have been avoided and I was an idiot just to make that very clear. 91 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,400 But I was going to get a new laptop. 92 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:51,920 I was going to get the X230. 93 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:52,800 You know, the Lenovo. 94 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,720 I was going to flash the BIOS and everything. 95 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,880 So I was going to get some money. 96 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:57,760 So I'm excited. 97 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,200 So this guy calls me up and he's like, 98 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,320 look, I want to do a certain amount of a trade. 99 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:03,840 And I'm like, okay, that's fine. 100 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:04,640 Let's do it. 101 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:10,160 And I'm supposed to meet with him at Houston station in London, you know, at Cafe Rouge. 102 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:11,120 And then he goes like, 103 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,080 dog, is it all right if I send my girl there? 104 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,200 Because I can't make it anymore. 105 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,640 I'm like, sure, why not? 106 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,320 And they also asked me if we could make a bigger amount, which was again a bigger mistake. 107 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:21,440 But what is the amount though? 108 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:22,080 I don't understand. 109 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:22,960 He's buying or selling? 110 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:25,680 He's buying Bitcoin for me. 111 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,360 And he wants to buy initially around 3000 pounds. 112 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,040 And then he says, can you do more? 113 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:32,080 And I'm like, sure, I can do more. 114 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,200 I need a fucking laptop. 115 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,400 Of course, I'm going to do more, right? 116 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,000 And then we're supposed to do 6,200. 117 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,880 So we get to this fucking cafe there. 118 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:41,440 We sit down. 119 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,680 I sit down with little fucking Kim, okay? 120 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,760 And, you know, she says, can we please use the local Bitcoin escrow? 121 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,200 Because I'm a woman and I'm scared. 122 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,360 Now, again, when you want to get a new laptop, you're not going to like talk about, you know, 123 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:54,640 social values. 124 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,480 And I was like, sure, whatever the fuck you want. 125 00:05:57,280 --> 00:06:01,200 So in general, a good idea to use the escrow. 126 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:02,000 No, it's not. 127 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,200 And let me explain to you why. 128 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:03,600 Okay. 129 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,040 So an escrow, it's a smart contract when you use an oracle, correct? 130 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:08,720 Even if it's not. 131 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:09,760 Well, yeah, there's a two of three. 132 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,920 There's like a third party. 133 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:13,520 Yeah, well. 134 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:14,640 I can swing it either way. 135 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:19,600 Well, in the local Bitcoins precisely, the smart contract wasn't smart because everything 136 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:20,240 is custodial. 137 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,320 It's just the third party that gives the okay. 138 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,000 So they're the oracle and they're everything. 139 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:29,440 Now, the biggest problem with oracles, which you have, is the cost of evaluating reality, 140 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,800 which most of the time you can say that's infinite because it costs infinite amount 141 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,080 of resources to evaluate reality properly. 142 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:40,480 You know, I wrote like an 85 page white paper on the oracle problem. 143 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:41,440 Just get to the theft. 144 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,120 One second right now. 145 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:44,560 Let me give a better fucking context. 146 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:49,520 Anyway, so the thing is like, I was going to say why it's not a good idea to use the 147 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:50,160 third party. 148 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,160 It's only as reliable as the third party. 149 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:52,480 Yeah. 150 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:52,800 Yeah. 151 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,040 Anyway, but I do it anyway because it didn't matter. 152 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,840 So they open a trade on local Bitcoins. 153 00:06:57,840 --> 00:06:58,400 Okay. 154 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:59,200 She gives me the money. 155 00:06:59,200 --> 00:06:59,840 I count the money. 156 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:01,600 I have my marker with me. 157 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,840 I'm counting a lot of cash, by the way, which you shouldn't do. 158 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:04,960 I was an idiot type. 159 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:06,800 And by the way, this is when I first came to London. 160 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,000 I came to London like literally five days before this. 161 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,440 I moved to London just so you're fine. 162 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:11,840 Okay. 163 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:12,240 Yeah. 164 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,720 You're like, so you're going around on, so you know around how to get to all these places. 165 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:18,240 Oh, I'm using Google maps. 166 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:18,960 Houston station. 167 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:19,360 Isn't it? 168 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,000 Is it really pronounced Houston station though in London? 169 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:22,480 Houston. 170 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,680 Anyway, so I'm sitting across the girl. 171 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:26,320 I'll check the money. 172 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:26,960 The money's all right. 173 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:28,560 Then I put the money under my fucking leg. 174 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:28,880 Okay. 175 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,200 And I released the Bitcoins. 176 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,000 And she goes like, babe, give me the money. 177 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:35,760 Like, excuse me. 178 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,520 She's like, babe, you need to give me the money. 179 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,640 I was like, I'm sorry, but I don't need to give you the money because we just did a trade. 180 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:41,760 And you got a Bitcoins. 181 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:42,240 I got a money. 182 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:43,360 This is how things go here. 183 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,680 I'm sure you understand lady. 184 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,680 And she goes like, babe, you need to give me the money. 185 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,920 Why didn't you just give up and walk out of the cafe? 186 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,240 Because I, because first of all, I don't want to cause a scene right now. 187 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,200 And I want to make sure, because this is the kind of first thing I want to make sure everything 188 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:57,600 is fine. 189 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:58,400 Maybe she's freaking out. 190 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:00,400 I'm trying to be a nice guy. 191 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:05,520 So I call her boyfriend and I give him his phone and I go like, dude, talk with your girl. 192 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:06,480 She's acting all crazy. 193 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:08,320 He says something. 194 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:08,800 I don't know what. 195 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,160 And she's acting all weird. 196 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,720 And at this point, I'm like, look, I'm just going to go and leave right now. 197 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:13,760 You got your Bitcoins. 198 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:14,400 You can see it clear. 199 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:15,360 What's the point? 200 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,160 Next thing I know, there's this motherfucker coming here with a hood in, right? 201 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,640 He goes past the hostess and everything in the restaurants. 202 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,960 And he comes there and out of nowhere, he goes like, excuse me, miss, are you all right? 203 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,240 Like out of nowhere. 204 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:26,880 Right. 205 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,560 And then I just, I realized what's happening. 206 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:29,440 And I yell, help. 207 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:30,560 I'm going to get robbed. 208 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:31,680 Fucking help me. 209 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:32,880 By the way, people are next to me. 210 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,280 Like if I do this with my hands, I could touch people on the shoulder. 211 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:36,480 So people are right next to us. 212 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:37,200 Right. 213 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,760 And this guy starts, both of them start punching me. 214 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,320 I have 6,000 pounds in my hand. 215 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,000 And I'm trying to duck this motherfucker. 216 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,600 I'm getting hit right and left. 217 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:46,800 And they take the money out for me. 218 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:48,480 And they run away. 219 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:49,520 Okay. 220 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:50,720 Oh, that sucks. 221 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:51,280 That sucks. 222 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:51,440 Right. 223 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,680 And then the police comes there and I start talking with the police. 224 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:58,320 Now, what I didn't realize, they didn't know that Bitcoin, LocalBitcoin is a custodial service. 225 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,120 And the Bitcoin was released from the escrow in the LocalBitcoin's custodial wallet. 226 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,400 So I'm, the first thing I'm doing right now, as the police is talking to me, 227 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,960 I'm going on LocalBitcoin's forum, which was taken down. 228 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,800 And which I have a snapshot of, by the way, if anyone ever wants to request that, have it saved. 229 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,400 Anyway, so I try to tell them, guys, I got fucking robbed. 230 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:19,360 These people beat me up. 231 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:20,640 Please freeze this guy's account. 232 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,360 Because if I'm an asshole and I'm lying, he gets his money back. 233 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,000 But if I'm not, he gets away with the money. 234 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,040 And LocalBitcoins, they really had a really bad attitude, if you ask me. 235 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:30,480 Look, I had impeccable feedback there. 236 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:31,680 Literally impeccable feedback. 237 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:32,560 I was a pro trader. 238 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:35,360 So there were so many things they could look on. 239 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,320 They would tell that, look, this guy is not bullshitting here. 240 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,640 And the guy goes like, you have to prove this. 241 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,000 I'm like, I'm not a fucking police. 242 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,520 How do you want me to prove this to you? 243 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:44,640 You have to prove this to us. 244 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,120 So as I'm signing things with the police and I'm talking with them, 245 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,280 I'm taking pictures, sending it to LocalBitcoin support. 246 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,720 I go to the hospital to get checked out because they hit me in the fucking head. 247 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,720 Maybe that's why I'm so wacky right now, you know. 248 00:09:54,720 --> 00:10:00,480 And then fucking, they get the fucking, they lock the guy's account. 249 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:00,800 Okay. 250 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,800 Long story short, next day I go to the, they assign a policeman to my case. 251 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,280 I go there, I give them, again, I sign all their papers. 252 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:08,640 I talk to them, whatever. 253 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:09,680 There's this policeman. 254 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,000 By the way, this is 2017. 255 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,280 No one heard of Bitcoin. 256 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:14,080 This was February. 257 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,160 This guy just thinks this is nuts. 258 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:20,560 He couldn't believe someone was willing to give me 6,000 pounds for some crazy thing like this. 259 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:21,680 For some internet thing. 260 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:23,440 2017 with a 7? 261 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:24,560 7, 17, yes. 262 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:26,560 February, right before the madness. 263 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:30,160 Anyway, so now I'm doing this thing and now I get back to LocalBitcoin. 264 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,280 And the guy says like, look, man, I really, I don't know what this thing is. 265 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,320 But look, we have the CDCTV footage. 266 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:37,200 We see you're not lying. 267 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:38,320 Everything is straightforward here. 268 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,200 There's nothing wrong. 269 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,560 So look, if you could get your money, I'll try to help you out and do this thing. 270 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:44,480 We're also going to try to make sure we catch these people 271 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,240 because what it did to you is really bad. 272 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:47,280 Here's my card. 273 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,160 Tell the people from LocalBitcoins to call me at any time. 274 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,280 And his email and we can get it done. 275 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:54,400 Now, I go back. 276 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,080 I'm so happy at this moment. 277 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,680 And I go on LocalBitcoins support ticket and I say like, here's the guy's details. 278 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:02,720 And they go like, no, you tell the police to contact us. 279 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:05,680 Excuse me? 280 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:08,480 They say you tell the police to contact us. 281 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,800 I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about here? 282 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,160 But you have the guy's card though. 283 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:13,360 So what difference does it make? 284 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:14,320 They didn't want to contact him. 285 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,640 That's what bothered me, man. 286 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,760 Because they could have just, I didn't want him to look out for me. 287 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,760 But come on, put a bit of fucking effort, right? 288 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:23,920 You're making money on me. 289 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,760 You made money on this fucking trade. 290 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,440 And then fucking next thing happens. 291 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,720 I go back and the guy contacts them. 292 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,000 The guy goes out of his fucking way, the policeman and contacts me. 293 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,600 And then they said like, they go like, oh, yeah, we talked. 294 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,480 And nothing happens anymore. 295 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,560 Then wait a few more months after this. 296 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:45,680 And the one of the guy from LocalBitcoins contacts me 297 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:48,720 and starts asking again for the guy's details, even though I gave it to them. 298 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,080 And I was like, OK, can I get an update? 299 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:50,560 What's happening? 300 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:52,400 And they go like, we have to wait for the Finnish police 301 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:53,760 to tell us to give you the Bitcoins back. 302 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,640 I was like, what the fuck does the Finnish police have to do this? 303 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:57,600 I'm not fucking Finnish. 304 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,760 The Finnish police has zero contact with the incident, 305 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,800 except they're in the same locality and the same jurisdiction 306 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,160 as the company there is, which still had nothing to do with this thing. 307 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,920 So now their excuse is that they need to be contacted by the Finnish police. 308 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,840 I tell this to the policeman and he said he tried to contact them for Interpol. 309 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,360 I don't know what the fuck that means. 310 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,080 And ever since then, I tried almost every three months, 311 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,160 I tried writing back to them or half a year. 312 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:22,960 What's happening? 313 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,000 What's happening with the Bitcoins? 314 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,360 And that was a really long story. 315 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,200 And most of it was actually boring to me. 316 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,480 But what I think is interesting is that when there's a siren, 317 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:31,360 the police are coming. 318 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,800 This is a story where the free market escrow has screwed you over. 319 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:45,280 But the police, the statist police are actually sort of nice in the story, 320 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:46,880 which I think is funny. 321 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:47,520 There you go. 322 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,480 It's a reversal of the normal Bitcoin story. 323 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,360 And the fact that the police officer was like, 324 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,240 oh, yeah, the wall was custodial, save the day. 325 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:56,960 That's what saved me. 326 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,760 The fight on the wall was, oh, here's the trader, here's the kicker. 327 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:00,640 Here's the kicker. 328 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,800 They robbed two other traders in that day. 329 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,640 And what they would do, they would go around. 330 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,440 The woman would go there in a crowded place and then she would yell, 331 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,120 help, help, help, I need help. 332 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,960 And then two diggers come in and they used it directly with this guy. 333 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:13,680 So yeah. 334 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:14,880 Is this guy bothering you? 335 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:16,080 Yeah, exactly. 336 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:17,840 That's so funny. 337 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,480 I thought you were going to say something like they tried to rob one guy 338 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,000 and he just threw him in front of an underground subway 339 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,920 and he was killed immediately. 340 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,640 That would have been like a more interesting ending. 341 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:30,320 Dude, look how I fucking look. 342 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,400 Like you fart next to me and I fucking faint. 343 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,080 You see, I'm a fucking skinny motherfucker. 344 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,360 What am I going to fucking do, you know? 345 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,240 You own multiple guitars, so. 346 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,520 I do, but I'm almost full of them. 347 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,320 So anyway, the point is that I couldn't take it anymore. 348 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:45,280 And I said like, you know what? 349 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:46,480 I fucking have to do something about it. 350 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:48,480 And then I just didn't want to think too much about it. 351 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:49,600 I didn't want to make it like, you know, 352 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,920 I just picked up my phone and I said, look, I fucking need help. 353 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,280 No one is fucking listening to me. 354 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,520 So I recorded a video, I put it out and I texted. 355 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,200 I texted almost everyone I knew to fucking retweet this shit. 356 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:01,920 I was a beggar. 357 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:04,960 I was a beggar, but it worked. 358 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,520 It worked because it got a lot of attention. 359 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:08,240 Did it work though? 360 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,560 Because you haven't turned the Bitcoin back yet. 361 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:12,960 Well, at least now they replied back to me. 362 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,320 So the first step is done. 363 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:14,960 What did they say? 364 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,360 Can you please, they DM me on Twitter and say, 365 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:18,320 can you give us the details? 366 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:18,880 And that was it. 367 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:19,920 Oh, okay. 368 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:21,520 Plot twist. 369 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,160 That girl is the owner of LocalBitcoins. 370 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:29,200 That was a weird one. 371 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,000 It's a long con. 372 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,080 Yeah, I don't fucking know. 373 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,480 Anyway, I want my fucking money back at the end of the day. 374 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,800 I want my fucking seven Bitcoins and you know. 375 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:37,760 Seven Bitcoins, yeah. 376 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,200 So that's like a lot of money. 377 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:40,240 That's a lot of fucking money. 378 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:40,740 Cha-ching. 379 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:43,600 Yeah, that's like whatever, 380 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,920 like $140,000 US or something. 381 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:48,740 Yeah. 382 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:50,080 Tax free. 383 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,160 Yeah, exactly. 384 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:53,440 So yeah, that's the story. 385 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,400 Yeah, well, that's what you get for even trading Bitcoin at all. 386 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,320 You're just supposed to hodl, okay? 387 00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:59,440 You're not supposed to do anything. 388 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:00,640 Your microphone has been too loud. 389 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:01,840 Can you bring it down a bit? 390 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:02,340 Oh, okay. 391 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:03,600 How's this? 392 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:04,240 Is this good? 393 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:04,720 Yeah, that's good. 394 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:05,360 Yeah, that's perfect. 395 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:06,960 How's this? 396 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:07,520 No, that's good. 397 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:08,480 You're in the right plot. 398 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:09,200 Yeah, so you're not, 399 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:10,720 so the moral of the story, don't trade Bitcoin. 400 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,880 The moral of the story is don't use Bitcoin. 401 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,880 Don't help onboard people to Bitcoin. 402 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,240 Don't talk about Bitcoin. 403 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,640 Don't think about Bitcoin. 404 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,760 Don't even just buy Bitcoin and then don't do anything. 405 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,280 Wow, that took forever to get to this bullet point. 406 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:28,400 Okay. 407 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,400 Well, what do you think, audience? 408 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,680 Will Alex ever get his Bitcoin back? 409 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:38,160 Leave us a comment below. 410 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,320 This is what you wanted, to be like a stupid show like that? 411 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,680 Don't forget to like and subscribe. 412 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:45,200 Oh, by the way. 413 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:46,640 Click that bell if you want. 414 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,400 I didn't tell you this, but I'm getting in on the TikTok game. 415 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,080 I'm going to get in on the TikTok game. 416 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:52,960 Are you really? 417 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:54,320 I already started posting clips. 418 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:55,680 I did already. 419 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:56,560 There's two of them posted. 420 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,080 There's no competition at all. 421 00:15:58,080 --> 00:15:58,880 There's zero. 422 00:15:58,880 --> 00:15:59,680 It's the worst. 423 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:00,400 It's the absolute worst. 424 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:01,520 We're just going to skip to this one. 425 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,760 It's the terrible TikTok Bitcoin content. 426 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:04,720 Oh, we can do that if you want. 427 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,480 I was just mentioning anyway. 428 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:07,840 Too late, we already did. 429 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:08,400 Okay. 430 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:09,520 Well, go on. 431 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,520 Um, if you go on and you just search, 432 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:19,680 and you don't have to install the communist brainwashing app to go on. 433 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,520 You can just go to the site and do like slash cryptocurrency or something. 434 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,480 If you want to watch or slash Bitcoin, you can do like TikTok. 435 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:27,760 It's TikTok, T-I-K. 436 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,880 For those of you living under a rock, there's no C. 437 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:32,960 It's TikTok with no Cs. 438 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,960 And you can just go to the site and look up this stupid videos that everyone 439 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,920 under the age of whatever, 18, spends all their time watching. 440 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:44,000 They're just horrible. 441 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,040 There's this guy who goes like, 442 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,560 we saw an arbitrage opportunity between Bitcoin cash and Bitcoin. 443 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,080 Dude, they're two different assets. 444 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,080 Of course, they have a different price. 445 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:53,600 It's like every horrible thing. 446 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,440 I don't even know where to begin to describe. 447 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,920 And the guy goes like, we found a discrepancy in the market. 448 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:02,880 And he shows a piece of paper where he made some integrals calculations. 449 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,400 He shows some integrals that make no fucking sense. 450 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:07,600 It's this weird mix. 451 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,120 There's a lot of themes. 452 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:12,080 Some of the themes are like trading advice 453 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:16,000 from people who obviously like have no clue what they're talking about at all. 454 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,360 They don't even know how to read a chart, 455 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:20,160 like literally a simple two-dimensional chart. 456 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,080 And then there's definitely like, yeah. 457 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:23,920 So there's like people LARPing as experts. 458 00:17:25,360 --> 00:17:32,000 There's people trying to be helpful and explain something, 459 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:36,720 but horribly misguided and really misjudge the audience. 460 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:43,600 And they're like, we're going to help you understand HD wallets. 461 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,440 And you're just like, oh my God. 462 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:46,480 You're describing Twitter, right? 463 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:47,440 I'm not describing TikTok. 464 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:47,940 It's terrible. 465 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:49,380 Yeah. 466 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:51,280 Yeah, I don't know. 467 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,200 I think, but it's worth, have fun and go to TikTok 468 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,840 and find the cryptocurrency tag or the Bitcoin tag. 469 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:05,600 And yikes, it's like if you went back in time, 470 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,880 like eight years to Bitcoin talk, 471 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,640 when people were just figuring out Bitcoin, 472 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,760 except instead of cool people, 473 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,600 just communicating via the stark medium of text, 474 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,040 there's like flash because people put a lot of effort into it. 475 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:22,560 The videos have a lot of editing. 476 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:23,840 They're like, they keep them short. 477 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,200 That's what makes it even more terrifying in a way. 478 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,520 The fact that so much effort has been put in. 479 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,360 And the thing is like, it's not even like, 480 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:32,880 I listened to Bitcoin talk all this. 481 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,960 Everyone was like fucking like nerd feel, 482 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,640 like everyone knew science, right? 483 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:37,760 These are just normal people. 484 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,080 And look, there's no blaming on them 485 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:41,680 because you know what? 486 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:42,480 They're trying, man. 487 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:43,520 It's like that Brit fit girl. 488 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:44,320 Do you know who that is? 489 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:46,960 I didn't even listen to what you were saying. 490 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:47,520 That was boring. 491 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:48,640 What were you talking about? 492 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,720 What the fuck do you mean you were bored? 493 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,240 You know who Brit fit is? 494 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,440 That girl who made the boo, boo, boo dance for Michael Saylor. 495 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,040 Oh no, I'm happy to say I have no idea what you're talking about. 496 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,120 By the way, Michael Saylor, 497 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:03,200 I really like his metaphor with the ice. 498 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:04,560 But here's, I have a story with ice. 499 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:05,280 What was the metaphor? 500 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:06,800 Oh, that the water in different forms? 501 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,280 That he has a lot of money. 502 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:10,720 No, that's Mao's metaphor. 503 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,760 Saylor said that he had some money 504 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,760 that was like an ice cube and it was melting 505 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,200 and he needed to put it into something. 506 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,200 Because it was, he was paying the inflation tax. 507 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:22,160 Exactly, yeah. 508 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,160 But I have to say I'm paying an inflation tax 509 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:24,960 and I want to pay it. 510 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:25,920 Because he's not literal. 511 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,280 I have a better story with ice cubes. 512 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,040 Listen, one day I bring a girl home. 513 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,640 This happened right here, right? 514 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:31,840 I bring this girl home. 515 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,680 I play some guitar for her as I usually do. 516 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,600 And this was like after I started drinking alcohol 517 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:36,000 and everything. 518 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,440 So I only have water in my house. 519 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:38,800 Okay, I only have water. 520 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,080 And we're sipping on some water 521 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,920 and the girl looks at me and she goes like, 522 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,440 do you have some ice cubes? 523 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,040 And I go like, do you want some ice cubes for your water? 524 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,720 It's cold, it's from the fridge. 525 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:49,920 And she just looks at me. 526 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,280 She takes a sip out of the glass. 527 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,840 She puts it on the table, looks me straight in the eye, 528 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,680 puts a hand on my leg and she goes like, 529 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,360 I want to put two ice cubes in my mouth 530 00:19:57,360 --> 00:19:58,160 and suck your dick. 531 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,080 That's a better ice cube story. 532 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:08,480 I weirdly heard of that. 533 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:09,200 I don't know why. 534 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:11,360 You heard of ice? 535 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:11,840 It's a thing. 536 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:12,480 Apparently it's a thing. 537 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,560 The temperature play is like a thing. 538 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,080 Yeah, that was the first time I heard of that. 539 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,400 It's only on the fringes I've ever heard hearing about that. 540 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,000 But I kind of vaguely heard of that. 541 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,120 That's the first time I heard about it. 542 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:24,160 And you know what I did? 543 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,640 I teleported myself to the fucking supermarket, 544 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,480 bag of ice, got a bag of ice and... 545 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:29,200 Oh, you mean... 546 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,120 I don't have ice. 547 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:33,440 You didn't have an ice cube maker in the freezer? 548 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:34,480 No, no, I don't. 549 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:35,440 I only drink water. 550 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:36,320 This is a... 551 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,880 Oh, that's a much better ending to the story. 552 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,080 Is that you're just immediately off to the races. 553 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,680 Dude, you know how I was? 554 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,640 I literally, I just jumped up and started running. 555 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,640 I took my slippers, I literally ran 556 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,360 and I come back with a bag of ice in my fucking hands. 557 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:52,560 You just left her in your apartment? 558 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:53,680 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 559 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,200 There's a lot of thoughts on the back there. 560 00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:59,360 But I don't want to go anywhere near it. 561 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:00,720 Well, I don't have anything to lose. 562 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,320 I mean, anyway, that's the point. 563 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:03,520 Let's get back to the fucking... 564 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:04,080 All right. 565 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:04,800 To the TikToks. 566 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:05,520 What? 567 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:05,920 Okay. 568 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,280 Oh, why is the deal with this Venezuelan fucking thing? 569 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,760 It's very funny, but I don't know if it's as funny as... 570 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,520 I don't know if we can follow that story. 571 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:14,160 Oh, I have it. 572 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,280 It is funny though. 573 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,320 Basically, this is where I put it after the Alex gets robbed. 574 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,800 But you messed up the fluency because you skipped over it. 575 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,240 But it was like, basically, the Venezuelan military 576 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,160 is stealing people's Bitcoin mining equipment. 577 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,000 And now the Venezuelan government slash military 578 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,280 is mining Bitcoin. 579 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,240 And there's very funny photos of it on Twitter 580 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:43,120 where these soldiers looking at computers 581 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:44,720 and arrays of Bitcoin miners. 582 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,720 So Venezuela, the government of Venezuela 583 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,160 officially endorses BTC. 584 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:54,240 I mean... 585 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,520 Even better, the military does. 586 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,680 Maybe the government doesn't even endorse it. 587 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,000 I mean, the Maduro dude is like the perfect Bitcoin user. 588 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,280 Like Bitcoin was made for him. 589 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,200 Like literally, he's the most censored human being 590 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,320 on the planet right now. 591 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:05,520 He can't get his gold. 592 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,920 And he's like, fuck you and your gold. 593 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,440 Exactly, everyone's learning. 594 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:10,160 They're learning about... 595 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:16,320 They're learning Satoshi's vision 596 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,760 to have all of your gold. 597 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,040 That's the real Satoshi's vision. 598 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,400 It's having all of your gold stolen from you 599 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,080 and then to become a crazy Bitcoiner 600 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,440 and have your military steal people's mining hardware 601 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,320 and then use the socialist power grid to mine Bitcoin. 602 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:33,760 So there you go. 603 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:35,440 Right, right. 604 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:36,560 Okay. 605 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,840 And is this Janet Yellen thing real? 606 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:40,960 That's what I've been trying to figure out 607 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,320 ever since you put it in. 608 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,760 Oh my God, that's so crazy. 609 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:44,320 Is it real? 610 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:45,200 It can't possibly be real. 611 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,240 I don't know. 612 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,880 Anyway, there's like this twist going around. 613 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,160 A lot of people think it's real though. 614 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:51,680 Well, let's just say what it is. 615 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:52,720 Some people don't know. 616 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,080 Is there still going around 617 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,120 and there's like a screenshot 618 00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:58,080 of someone sending a DM to Yellen and he's... 619 00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:59,760 It could be real though. 620 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,800 And he goes like, Janet Yellen joins Twitter 621 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,200 and Bitcoin immediately hits an all-time high. 622 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:05,680 Coincidence? 623 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:06,160 Wait, wait, wait. 624 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:06,960 Just one second. 625 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,280 This is a snarky tweet that someone put 626 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,120 and they tagged Janet Yellen on Twitter. 627 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,360 Janet Yellen just joins Twitter 628 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:14,000 and someone's like, 629 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,680 I'm gonna write a funny little tweet. 630 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,640 And the tweet tags at Janet Yellen. 631 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,560 That's not what's happening. 632 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:21,600 That's clearly a DM. 633 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,040 No, someone tweets this. 634 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,960 No, I'm saying that that's the tweet 635 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,160 is that she finds... 636 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,880 She gets notified of the tweet and sends it in DM. 637 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,880 So I'm explaining to people what's going on 638 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,440 because Janet Yellen's not on Twitter at all. 639 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:34,160 Then she joins. 640 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,440 Then someone else makes... 641 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,520 Some random Bitcoiner makes a snarky tweet. 642 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,080 Aha, Janet Yellen has joined Twitter 643 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,240 and Bitcoin price goes up. 644 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,960 But then Janet Yellen DMs the person. 645 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,240 There's no way this is real, but... 646 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:51,360 She says, I had Bitcoin delete this, right? 647 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:52,960 Delete the tweet. 648 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,680 And then there's another picture of him being blocked by her. 649 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,200 And being blocked by Janet Yellen. 650 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,640 Which it's funny because older people 651 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,000 don't know how Twitter works. 652 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:08,080 And they also don't know how like meme combat works 653 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,200 where people are just like, 654 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,160 this is like a giant... 655 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,200 This is Twitter is a lot like that locker room situation 656 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,640 where guys are just roughing each other up 657 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,320 to see like who is tough 658 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,800 and sort of sizing each other up. 659 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,080 Except crazy psychology version of that on Twitter. 660 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,560 Where people are just like torturing each other 661 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:28,880 to see who will put up with it. 662 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,680 But adults, super old adults 663 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,880 who don't know about social media, 664 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:35,440 they might not... 665 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:36,400 I don't know. 666 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,680 I guess it could be real. 667 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:38,720 There's no way it's real though. 668 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:39,600 I don't know. 669 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:40,240 She seems cool. 670 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,200 But I said, is it real? 671 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,880 And you said, it is real. 672 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,120 And I was like, fine. 673 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:46,320 I hope it's real. 674 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,880 Anyway, Janet Yellen is mad that someone tweeted 675 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,960 about her causing the price of Bitcoin to go up. 676 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:51,840 Maybe. 677 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:53,440 I'm just trying to... 678 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,040 Like imagine being Janet Yellen 679 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,320 and like you probably... 680 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,840 All your life you've been doing those things 681 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,200 and you feel like you have a grip on things 682 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,440 and you work hard, you have a career and whatever. 683 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,120 And all of a sudden Bitcoin comes along. 684 00:25:04,790 --> 00:25:06,790 All of a sudden Bitcoin comes along and you don't have a technical understanding. 685 00:25:06,790 --> 00:25:07,990 You're just a dinosaur. 686 00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:09,190 No, let me tell you this though. 687 00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:13,790 I can tell you as someone who knows an awful lot about, I have a lot of friends in academia. 688 00:25:13,790 --> 00:25:18,990 I've been involved in academia for a while and everyone in academia has imposter syndrome. 689 00:25:18,990 --> 00:25:23,190 They all think that deep down they're a fraud and they don't know anything and that everything is, 690 00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:27,290 it's all an illusion that it's going to come crashing down any second. 691 00:25:27,290 --> 00:25:28,890 Do you have this yourself, this imposter syndrome? 692 00:25:28,890 --> 00:25:31,190 No, way less than them. 693 00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:33,390 They have it hardcore. 694 00:25:33,390 --> 00:25:34,590 They all have it. 695 00:25:34,590 --> 00:25:35,390 Well, that's not true. 696 00:25:35,390 --> 00:25:40,790 Some of them are actually just brilliant and they don't have it, but it's a very small minority. 697 00:25:40,790 --> 00:25:41,890 Why do you think that's happening? 698 00:25:41,890 --> 00:25:43,490 How do you think people end up there? 699 00:25:43,490 --> 00:25:44,790 And why do you think it's so prevalent in academia? 700 00:25:44,790 --> 00:25:45,690 In academia? 701 00:25:45,690 --> 00:25:49,190 Oh, well, it's easy if you... 702 00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:53,290 Over the recent years, culturally in America, 703 00:25:53,290 --> 00:25:57,790 it is like a caste system where if you don't go to college, you're like a total failure. 704 00:25:57,790 --> 00:26:01,090 And you're just, when you're like 16, 17 years old, 705 00:26:01,090 --> 00:26:06,390 and you're young and you have no money, you have no job, 706 00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:10,690 the only thing you have is your parents' opinion of you, basically. 707 00:26:10,690 --> 00:26:14,690 And everyone is brain, the whole culture is like a 100%. 708 00:26:14,690 --> 00:26:17,990 It's like the pressure is unbelievable. 709 00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:21,490 And it's like you have to go to college and you have to get into the best college 710 00:26:21,490 --> 00:26:25,490 and they're all ranked in order from like one to whatever. 711 00:26:25,490 --> 00:26:25,890 Markets. 712 00:26:25,890 --> 00:26:30,990 By this defunct fake magazine, U.S. News and World Report. 713 00:26:30,990 --> 00:26:34,190 It has all the colleges like by the throat. 714 00:26:34,190 --> 00:26:36,490 And there's so much to say about this. 715 00:26:36,490 --> 00:26:37,790 It's actually fascinating. 716 00:26:37,790 --> 00:26:38,590 But there is... 717 00:26:38,590 --> 00:26:42,290 How does this go to the fact that the people who are in academia and who work there, 718 00:26:42,290 --> 00:26:43,190 they have imposter syndrome? 719 00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:49,490 Because there's tremendous prestige in going to a good school. 720 00:26:49,490 --> 00:26:54,790 And then there's prestige in getting good grades there and then going to graduate school. 721 00:26:54,790 --> 00:26:57,290 So wouldn't that actually affirm that you are good if you're there? 722 00:26:57,290 --> 00:26:59,290 And you should stop be like, oh, I know what I'm talking about. 723 00:26:59,290 --> 00:27:00,490 No, but the culture... 724 00:27:00,490 --> 00:27:05,690 This is like what I was saying before about... 725 00:27:05,690 --> 00:27:07,190 Well, we'll get into that later maybe. 726 00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:11,190 But the culture is telling you that you're so great. 727 00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:15,390 But deep down, they know that they're just sort of relatively normal 728 00:27:15,390 --> 00:27:18,790 or maybe just a little better than average 729 00:27:18,790 --> 00:27:24,490 as far as the ability to do math or remember facts or something. 730 00:27:24,490 --> 00:27:30,790 So the culture is telling these people that they're at the top of the universe. 731 00:27:30,790 --> 00:27:31,890 What doesn't make any sense? 732 00:27:31,890 --> 00:27:33,390 I don't feel like it's consistent. 733 00:27:33,390 --> 00:27:34,890 Your point is inconsistent to what you said. 734 00:27:34,890 --> 00:27:36,590 But anyway, because as I was saying, 735 00:27:36,590 --> 00:27:39,390 I would think that would sort of affirm you that you put effort into something. 736 00:27:39,390 --> 00:27:40,290 It does at first. 737 00:27:40,290 --> 00:27:41,290 No, it does at first. 738 00:27:41,290 --> 00:27:43,990 But you don't understand when your career in academia, 739 00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:48,190 the very beginning is being at an elite school. 740 00:27:48,190 --> 00:27:49,590 Then you graduate, you have to teach. 741 00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:52,890 And you have to teach at like a place that's like several notches beneath you 742 00:27:52,890 --> 00:27:54,990 because of just the way... 743 00:27:54,990 --> 00:27:56,990 Did you ever teach anywhere? 744 00:27:56,990 --> 00:27:57,490 I have. 745 00:27:57,490 --> 00:28:01,490 Well, I never had like a formal... 746 00:28:01,490 --> 00:28:02,690 Yeah, I have taught. 747 00:28:02,690 --> 00:28:03,790 I don't know how to answer that question 748 00:28:03,790 --> 00:28:07,390 because academia is very weird where getting a job as a professor 749 00:28:07,390 --> 00:28:12,290 is like an extremely prestigious sort of accomplishment that takes like 10 years. 750 00:28:12,290 --> 00:28:13,190 Not professor, but like... 751 00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:14,790 So I have not done that, 752 00:28:14,790 --> 00:28:17,190 but I have taught undergraduate students many times. 753 00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:20,390 In fact, I even taught at Yale a few times 754 00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:22,490 when a professor would just be like, 755 00:28:22,490 --> 00:28:24,190 I have to go to Zurich. 756 00:28:24,190 --> 00:28:25,290 Can you teach this class? 757 00:28:25,290 --> 00:28:26,990 So you weren't like an assistant professor, 758 00:28:26,990 --> 00:28:27,990 like you're at a young... 759 00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:29,090 No, because you have to understand, 760 00:28:29,090 --> 00:28:31,490 assistant professor is an official job title 761 00:28:31,490 --> 00:28:34,690 that is like takes a lot of time to get. 762 00:28:34,690 --> 00:28:37,090 So real academics will be very angry 763 00:28:37,090 --> 00:28:40,190 if I say that I was an assistant, quote, assistant professor 764 00:28:40,190 --> 00:28:41,590 because that is a totally different meaning. 765 00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:43,390 Did you had any title where it was just that, 766 00:28:43,390 --> 00:28:44,590 oh, Paul is a smart kid. 767 00:28:44,590 --> 00:28:46,390 Let's him... 768 00:28:46,390 --> 00:28:46,990 Was it like that? 769 00:28:46,990 --> 00:28:47,490 I don't know. 770 00:28:47,490 --> 00:28:49,190 I don't know how the titles work. 771 00:28:49,290 --> 00:28:50,790 I guess I had no title, 772 00:28:50,790 --> 00:28:53,490 but many times I could teach 773 00:28:53,490 --> 00:28:56,290 and many times I was a TA when I was in graduate school, 774 00:28:56,290 --> 00:28:58,690 which is like a teacher's assistant, 775 00:28:58,690 --> 00:29:00,590 but there's a different... 776 00:29:02,090 --> 00:29:03,990 A TA is kind of like... 777 00:29:04,790 --> 00:29:06,290 A lot of people back me up on this. 778 00:29:06,290 --> 00:29:08,490 The person who does all the work for the class, 779 00:29:08,490 --> 00:29:11,390 including even teaching the students. 780 00:29:11,390 --> 00:29:12,190 You look like that. 781 00:29:12,990 --> 00:29:15,490 Where the TA... 782 00:29:15,490 --> 00:29:17,490 Some TAs were like great assignments, 783 00:29:17,490 --> 00:29:19,190 but I didn't do that. 784 00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:20,590 So I didn't have to do that. 785 00:29:20,590 --> 00:29:21,990 That's like the sort of bitch work 786 00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:23,490 or whatever you might want to call it, 787 00:29:23,490 --> 00:29:25,990 but other TAs would like do the review sessions 788 00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:27,890 before final exams and things like that. 789 00:29:27,890 --> 00:29:32,890 So you had to be someone who knew the material to do that. 790 00:29:32,890 --> 00:29:35,390 So that was like you took a class corporate finance 791 00:29:35,390 --> 00:29:36,790 or something one semester 792 00:29:36,790 --> 00:29:39,490 and the next semester you could be the TA. 793 00:29:39,490 --> 00:29:41,190 So one question, did you went to Yale? 794 00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:42,490 Is that what you studied? 795 00:29:42,490 --> 00:29:43,890 No, I worked at Yale, 796 00:29:43,890 --> 00:29:46,190 but I took a bunch of classes there. 797 00:29:46,490 --> 00:29:47,090 It's very... 798 00:29:47,090 --> 00:29:48,190 Academia is very confusing 799 00:29:48,190 --> 00:29:52,090 because you have to understand all these things about academia, 800 00:29:52,090 --> 00:29:54,790 which I can tell that no one should ever care. 801 00:29:54,790 --> 00:29:56,390 After high school, where did you went to? 802 00:29:56,390 --> 00:29:58,090 I went to Case Western. 803 00:29:58,090 --> 00:30:00,290 It was an engineering school in Cleveland. 804 00:30:00,290 --> 00:30:02,490 It's ranked 42, but no one has heard of it. 805 00:30:02,490 --> 00:30:03,590 Wait a minute, one second. 806 00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:05,490 This changes my opinion of you a lot then. 807 00:30:05,490 --> 00:30:07,690 I thought you were supposed to be this really smart whiz kid. 808 00:30:07,690 --> 00:30:09,390 How come you didn't get into Cambridge or whatever 809 00:30:09,390 --> 00:30:10,590 or Boston or MIT? 810 00:30:10,590 --> 00:30:13,090 Because you can get a lot more money. 811 00:30:13,090 --> 00:30:14,590 You can get more scholarship money 812 00:30:14,590 --> 00:30:16,990 if you're in like the top of the class. 813 00:30:16,990 --> 00:30:18,790 And in fact, I graduated from Case Western, 814 00:30:18,790 --> 00:30:20,190 which was ranked 42 at the time. 815 00:30:20,190 --> 00:30:22,690 And I graduated in three years. 816 00:30:22,690 --> 00:30:23,190 No, one second. 817 00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:24,490 So if you would have gotten to MIT, 818 00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:25,990 you're telling me you don't think you would have been able 819 00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:28,090 to be in the top 10%, in the top, 820 00:30:28,090 --> 00:30:28,990 I don't know, in the top... 821 00:30:28,990 --> 00:30:31,390 Of the entering class by like SAT score 822 00:30:31,390 --> 00:30:32,890 and by like high school GPA, 823 00:30:32,890 --> 00:30:34,390 which is like arbitrary. 824 00:30:34,390 --> 00:30:35,690 That doesn't matter, my friend. 825 00:30:35,690 --> 00:30:37,790 It has nothing to do with the... 826 00:30:37,790 --> 00:30:40,090 That has nothing to do with the point 827 00:30:40,090 --> 00:30:41,390 about how much money it costs. 828 00:30:41,390 --> 00:30:43,490 That's the other thing is it costs like an enormous amount 829 00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:45,090 of money to go to college in the United States. 830 00:30:45,090 --> 00:30:46,890 Do you know how much it costs? 831 00:30:46,890 --> 00:30:47,990 I have rough ideas. 832 00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:49,690 Around seven Bitcoin, isn't it? 833 00:30:49,690 --> 00:30:51,090 It's around that, doesn't it? 834 00:30:51,090 --> 00:30:52,690 I think it's like 200. 835 00:30:52,690 --> 00:30:56,890 I think it may be like probably like 12 or 13 Bitcoin. 836 00:30:56,890 --> 00:30:58,490 Honest question, honest question right now. 837 00:30:58,490 --> 00:30:59,890 Looking back, okay. 838 00:30:59,890 --> 00:31:01,590 And considering that whatever you did, 839 00:31:01,590 --> 00:31:03,590 it's again, it's not like you're a doctor, 840 00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:04,430 like a medical doctor. 841 00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:06,090 But I did ultimately have a job at Yale 842 00:31:06,090 --> 00:31:07,090 that was kind of like, 843 00:31:07,090 --> 00:31:09,990 it wasn't technically a postdoc job at Yale. 844 00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:12,890 So I had ultimately a sort of a prestigious job at Yale 845 00:31:12,890 --> 00:31:14,290 that was a research job. 846 00:31:14,290 --> 00:31:15,130 That's fine, that's fine. 847 00:31:15,130 --> 00:31:15,950 I have a different question. 848 00:31:15,950 --> 00:31:17,190 Just to set the record completely clear. 849 00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:18,030 All right, okay. 850 00:31:18,030 --> 00:31:19,290 Okay, Paul, don't worry about it. 851 00:31:19,290 --> 00:31:20,290 You insecure motherfucker. 852 00:31:20,290 --> 00:31:21,130 Let's sit here. 853 00:31:21,130 --> 00:31:23,290 Let's sit here. 854 00:31:23,290 --> 00:31:24,730 So looking back right now, okay. 855 00:31:24,730 --> 00:31:27,130 Looking back, you're 30 years old roughly. 856 00:31:27,130 --> 00:31:29,130 And considering that you'd never profess 857 00:31:29,130 --> 00:31:30,650 as like a medical doctor or a lawyer 858 00:31:30,650 --> 00:31:32,850 or something that requires like a paper 859 00:31:32,850 --> 00:31:34,690 from somewhere to legally perform. 860 00:31:34,690 --> 00:31:36,890 Do you think it was worth going 861 00:31:36,890 --> 00:31:38,050 and spending all those years? 862 00:31:38,050 --> 00:31:39,430 Or do you think like you could have just been 863 00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:40,490 on your laptop all these years 864 00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:41,930 and you're a smart kid anyway? 865 00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:43,810 No, no, I think it was worth it for me. 866 00:31:43,810 --> 00:31:45,570 But I think it's almost no one. 867 00:31:45,570 --> 00:31:48,450 Because I actually use almost all the things 868 00:31:48,450 --> 00:31:51,770 that I learned in my like Bitcoin career. 869 00:31:51,770 --> 00:31:52,770 Don't you think you could have like 870 00:31:52,770 --> 00:31:54,450 learned all those things by yourself literally? 871 00:31:54,450 --> 00:31:56,650 No, because I think I'm actually, 872 00:31:58,090 --> 00:32:01,050 academia does beat a little bit of discipline into you 873 00:32:01,050 --> 00:32:05,010 about like course schedules and finishing. 874 00:32:05,010 --> 00:32:06,530 I would probably never finish anything. 875 00:32:06,530 --> 00:32:08,330 I'd be too lazy. 876 00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:13,170 So it does force you to like do, 877 00:32:13,170 --> 00:32:15,590 you would just say, it's very tempting. 878 00:32:16,610 --> 00:32:18,250 It's very tempting to just say, 879 00:32:18,250 --> 00:32:20,130 well, I understand this and then give up. 880 00:32:20,130 --> 00:32:21,930 That's a lot of what like the Austrian, 881 00:32:21,930 --> 00:32:24,330 the internet Austrian economists do. 882 00:32:24,330 --> 00:32:27,650 They're like, well, the free market just fix everything. 883 00:32:27,650 --> 00:32:31,110 I understand everything perfectly, I'm a genius. 884 00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:33,890 And then if you take an exam or even just a quiz 885 00:32:33,890 --> 00:32:36,210 or even just do homework and turn it in, 886 00:32:36,210 --> 00:32:39,210 then you get it back and you realize that 887 00:32:39,210 --> 00:32:42,050 a lot of the stuff you thought you understood was wrong. 888 00:32:42,050 --> 00:32:45,810 I think that that is actually a valuable experience. 889 00:32:45,810 --> 00:32:47,930 Okay, do you have any friends from college 890 00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:49,010 that you still talk with? 891 00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:50,290 Yes, of course. 892 00:32:50,290 --> 00:32:52,090 Okay, what are their lives like? 893 00:32:52,090 --> 00:32:53,370 What do they do? 894 00:32:53,370 --> 00:32:54,570 I think most people it's, 895 00:32:54,570 --> 00:32:57,730 I think most people it's not worth it to go to college. 896 00:32:57,730 --> 00:32:58,570 No, I'm just curious. 897 00:32:58,570 --> 00:32:59,410 Like what do they do? 898 00:32:59,410 --> 00:33:01,090 Are they musicians? 899 00:33:01,090 --> 00:33:02,570 Okay, one of them is sort of like me 900 00:33:02,570 --> 00:33:03,570 where he's very technical 901 00:33:03,610 --> 00:33:05,210 and he works for an insurance company 902 00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:09,250 doing statistics for them and other computer science. 903 00:33:09,250 --> 00:33:11,490 So this is the guy who's gonna probably 904 00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:12,810 come with a Kalashnikov next day 905 00:33:12,810 --> 00:33:14,570 and kill everyone at work because he hates his life. 906 00:33:14,570 --> 00:33:15,410 Okay. 907 00:33:15,410 --> 00:33:17,330 No, I think he's doing okay. 908 00:33:17,330 --> 00:33:19,530 He's got married with kids, he's doing everything. 909 00:33:19,530 --> 00:33:20,370 I don't know that guy. 910 00:33:20,370 --> 00:33:21,770 I'm not talking specifically about him. 911 00:33:21,770 --> 00:33:23,010 I'm just fucking around here, 912 00:33:23,010 --> 00:33:25,130 but it sounds like that's kind of a fucking job 913 00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:25,970 which you hate your life. 914 00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:30,970 That guy was always like a big self-starter. 915 00:33:31,010 --> 00:33:32,090 He started a lot of, 916 00:33:32,090 --> 00:33:34,170 he started working when he was very young. 917 00:33:34,170 --> 00:33:35,010 He worked a lot. 918 00:33:35,010 --> 00:33:36,450 He was very entrepreneurial. 919 00:33:37,490 --> 00:33:39,330 He started a band in high school. 920 00:33:39,330 --> 00:33:40,170 He has a fucking job. 921 00:33:40,170 --> 00:33:41,010 I would say entrepreneurial. 922 00:33:41,010 --> 00:33:42,690 He has a fucking job. 923 00:33:42,690 --> 00:33:43,850 I'm saying growing up, 924 00:33:43,850 --> 00:33:45,330 because I knew him. 925 00:33:45,330 --> 00:33:46,170 Oh, then he gave up. 926 00:33:46,170 --> 00:33:47,010 Then he gave up. 927 00:33:47,010 --> 00:33:49,730 We went to high school and college together, 928 00:33:49,730 --> 00:33:51,330 just coincidentally. 929 00:33:51,330 --> 00:33:52,170 Okay, okay, okay. 930 00:33:52,170 --> 00:33:53,210 I'm not gonna shit on your friend. 931 00:33:53,210 --> 00:33:54,330 I know who he is, 932 00:33:54,330 --> 00:33:55,170 but if he was- 933 00:33:55,170 --> 00:33:57,610 I know one who's a musician. 934 00:33:57,610 --> 00:33:58,450 Like what kind? 935 00:33:58,450 --> 00:33:59,290 Is he famous? 936 00:34:00,170 --> 00:34:01,010 No. 937 00:34:01,010 --> 00:34:02,170 Oh, then no point talking about him. 938 00:34:02,170 --> 00:34:03,010 Next. 939 00:34:03,010 --> 00:34:03,850 Next one. 940 00:34:03,850 --> 00:34:07,890 Another is a speech, 941 00:34:07,890 --> 00:34:09,530 I always forget exactly how to do this, 942 00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:14,530 but she teaches in the school system 943 00:34:15,770 --> 00:34:17,850 for people who have like, 944 00:34:17,850 --> 00:34:19,410 I don't know if it's speech pathology 945 00:34:19,410 --> 00:34:20,410 or something like that. 946 00:34:20,410 --> 00:34:21,850 I don't know the exact title. 947 00:34:21,850 --> 00:34:22,690 Okay. 948 00:34:22,690 --> 00:34:24,410 But this is like children who have, 949 00:34:25,770 --> 00:34:27,650 they need extra help to- 950 00:34:27,650 --> 00:34:28,490 I see, I see. 951 00:34:28,490 --> 00:34:29,330 They need to learn sort of different things. 952 00:34:29,330 --> 00:34:31,050 She's like a special ed teacher. 953 00:34:31,050 --> 00:34:32,530 Is she hot? 954 00:34:32,530 --> 00:34:35,330 I'm not comfortable answering that question, 955 00:34:35,330 --> 00:34:37,010 but I think the answer is yes. 956 00:34:37,010 --> 00:34:39,250 Are they gonna watch a podcast, these people? 957 00:34:39,250 --> 00:34:40,090 I don't know. 958 00:34:40,090 --> 00:34:40,930 I have no idea. 959 00:34:40,930 --> 00:34:41,770 She is also married now. 960 00:34:41,770 --> 00:34:43,250 Did they follow you on Twitter? 961 00:34:43,250 --> 00:34:44,610 I think, yeah. 962 00:34:44,610 --> 00:34:45,450 Okay. 963 00:34:45,450 --> 00:34:46,890 Then let's give her a shout out. 964 00:34:46,890 --> 00:34:47,730 Let's do it properly. 965 00:34:47,730 --> 00:34:48,890 What's her name? 966 00:34:48,890 --> 00:34:50,730 No, not happening. 967 00:34:50,730 --> 00:34:51,890 I'm gonna go for the people 968 00:34:51,890 --> 00:34:52,730 who follow her on Twitter now. 969 00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:53,690 She's already married. 970 00:34:53,690 --> 00:34:55,130 Oh, okay, fine. 971 00:34:55,130 --> 00:34:57,850 You can go through my 22,000 Twitter followers. 972 00:34:58,850 --> 00:35:01,010 I don't have that much to do, Paul. 973 00:35:01,010 --> 00:35:02,890 I have a lot of free time on my life. 974 00:35:05,970 --> 00:35:06,810 Yeah, I don't know. 975 00:35:06,810 --> 00:35:08,290 There's a bunch. 976 00:35:08,290 --> 00:35:11,010 But I just think it's so expensive 977 00:35:11,010 --> 00:35:12,970 that it's become absurd. 978 00:35:12,970 --> 00:35:16,530 The money you spend and that you don't have 979 00:35:16,530 --> 00:35:19,130 and four years of your life that you aren't working. 980 00:35:20,090 --> 00:35:23,210 I know people who are like $200,000 in debt. 981 00:35:23,210 --> 00:35:24,650 Other people, not my friends, 982 00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:27,810 but people who are $200,000 in debt. 983 00:35:27,850 --> 00:35:28,930 You know what the thing is with college? 984 00:35:28,930 --> 00:35:29,770 Like in the old days- 985 00:35:29,770 --> 00:35:31,810 You cannot discharge it in bankruptcy. 986 00:35:31,810 --> 00:35:32,650 You can't even... 987 00:35:32,650 --> 00:35:35,330 Some people have their parents co-sign for this debt. 988 00:35:35,330 --> 00:35:37,290 It's like a nightmare. 989 00:35:37,290 --> 00:35:38,610 Yeah, people are stupid pretty much. 990 00:35:38,610 --> 00:35:40,450 And sheep and they deserve their fucking awful fate. 991 00:35:40,450 --> 00:35:41,290 I'm kidding. 992 00:35:41,290 --> 00:35:42,130 Most of them. 993 00:35:42,130 --> 00:35:43,570 Yeah, well, it's hard for me 994 00:35:43,570 --> 00:35:44,770 because I mostly think that, 995 00:35:44,770 --> 00:35:46,050 but then I just think, 996 00:35:46,050 --> 00:35:47,810 wow, there are some people who really... 997 00:35:47,810 --> 00:35:50,450 And just right out of the gate when you're very young 998 00:35:50,450 --> 00:35:52,450 and you really are told in America 999 00:35:52,450 --> 00:35:54,450 like that if you don't go, 1000 00:35:54,450 --> 00:35:57,090 you are like a total failure of a person 1001 00:35:57,090 --> 00:35:58,250 and you always be... 1002 00:35:58,250 --> 00:36:01,730 And there's even like, it goes this far. 1003 00:36:01,730 --> 00:36:06,730 It goes this far that the women who date men 1004 00:36:06,770 --> 00:36:11,290 who did not go to college have better outcomes 1005 00:36:11,290 --> 00:36:15,970 because what women do is they just sort immediately. 1006 00:36:15,970 --> 00:36:17,210 They go on like the sites 1007 00:36:17,210 --> 00:36:20,290 and they sort like college, not college. 1008 00:36:20,290 --> 00:36:22,890 And the women all prefer for some reason. 1009 00:36:22,890 --> 00:36:24,290 I don't think... 1010 00:36:24,290 --> 00:36:25,850 I think that's changed, 1011 00:36:25,850 --> 00:36:29,810 but they prefer the men who went to college who did go. 1012 00:36:29,810 --> 00:36:31,570 Well, there's actually some reasons for that 1013 00:36:31,570 --> 00:36:32,770 because when you look at... 1014 00:36:32,770 --> 00:36:33,610 I don't know. 1015 00:36:33,610 --> 00:36:35,690 There's some, but they're not enough. 1016 00:36:35,690 --> 00:36:38,090 No, but the reason for that, I mean, 1017 00:36:38,090 --> 00:36:38,930 I remember I read this, 1018 00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:39,770 I think it was a paper 1019 00:36:39,770 --> 00:36:41,370 or some guy was talking about it on the internet 1020 00:36:41,370 --> 00:36:42,210 and he read it from a paper, 1021 00:36:42,210 --> 00:36:44,850 but the point is like they try to look at 1022 00:36:44,850 --> 00:36:47,170 how women pick men and whatever, right? 1023 00:36:47,170 --> 00:36:50,930 And the thing is that men mostly pick women, 1024 00:36:50,930 --> 00:36:51,770 hip to waist ratio. 1025 00:36:51,770 --> 00:36:53,890 That's the most important factor, literally. 1026 00:36:53,890 --> 00:36:56,010 It really is that simple, for real. 1027 00:36:56,010 --> 00:36:56,850 I'll try to find it. 1028 00:36:56,850 --> 00:36:58,730 No, it's not because it's... 1029 00:36:58,730 --> 00:36:59,810 The studies like that are done 1030 00:36:59,810 --> 00:37:02,570 where it's like they show a bunch of photographs. 1031 00:37:02,570 --> 00:37:03,570 And so then it's like, okay, 1032 00:37:03,570 --> 00:37:05,610 then hip to waist ratio is important, 1033 00:37:05,610 --> 00:37:08,610 but it's like, that's not realistic. 1034 00:37:08,610 --> 00:37:09,690 As far as my lab going... 1035 00:37:09,690 --> 00:37:11,090 The point is that let's just forget 1036 00:37:11,090 --> 00:37:11,930 about what you were saying 1037 00:37:11,930 --> 00:37:12,770 and get back to what I was saying. 1038 00:37:12,770 --> 00:37:13,610 No. 1039 00:37:13,610 --> 00:37:15,450 The women split it into two groups. 1040 00:37:15,450 --> 00:37:16,690 And so there's a bunch of... 1041 00:37:16,690 --> 00:37:18,370 It's just like two rooms 1042 00:37:18,370 --> 00:37:20,010 where the room where all the men went to college 1043 00:37:20,010 --> 00:37:22,490 and the room where all the men did not go. 1044 00:37:22,530 --> 00:37:24,930 And all the women are like crowding in the one room. 1045 00:37:24,930 --> 00:37:27,370 And so it alters the sex ratio 1046 00:37:27,370 --> 00:37:30,210 so that the women are at a disadvantage 1047 00:37:30,210 --> 00:37:31,890 in the college room. 1048 00:37:31,890 --> 00:37:35,490 So they get like this horrible outcomes 1049 00:37:35,490 --> 00:37:37,610 in that one room where all the... 1050 00:37:37,610 --> 00:37:39,730 Because there's fewer men and more women. 1051 00:37:40,570 --> 00:37:41,490 And already in America, 1052 00:37:41,490 --> 00:37:43,970 more women actually go to college than men. 1053 00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:44,810 Yeah. 1054 00:37:44,810 --> 00:37:45,650 As it stands. 1055 00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:47,570 Take that wham inequalities. 1056 00:37:47,570 --> 00:37:48,410 Exactly. 1057 00:37:49,490 --> 00:37:50,810 But as a result, 1058 00:37:51,690 --> 00:37:53,170 the women are treated much better 1059 00:37:53,170 --> 00:37:54,890 by the men who are... 1060 00:37:54,890 --> 00:37:58,690 The desperate men who are like high school only 1061 00:37:58,690 --> 00:37:59,530 or something. 1062 00:38:00,410 --> 00:38:01,250 Yeah. 1063 00:38:01,250 --> 00:38:03,010 Well, anyway, I was going to say that, 1064 00:38:03,010 --> 00:38:03,850 I don't know. 1065 00:38:03,850 --> 00:38:05,570 I'll try to find this for next time 1066 00:38:05,570 --> 00:38:06,410 where I'll show it to you. 1067 00:38:06,410 --> 00:38:07,650 But as far as I remember, 1068 00:38:07,650 --> 00:38:09,290 the point is that women actually, 1069 00:38:10,610 --> 00:38:13,690 when they try to choose a mate for life 1070 00:38:13,690 --> 00:38:14,530 or something like this, 1071 00:38:14,530 --> 00:38:15,810 they care about status a lot. 1072 00:38:15,810 --> 00:38:17,770 And they care about the ability to provide... 1073 00:38:17,770 --> 00:38:19,650 Yeah, but this is like ancient. 1074 00:38:19,650 --> 00:38:21,450 This is like Charles Darwin era. 1075 00:38:21,450 --> 00:38:23,450 And then people keep constantly rediscovering this 1076 00:38:23,450 --> 00:38:26,170 and writing about it as if it's something new. 1077 00:38:26,170 --> 00:38:27,690 I wasn't saying like... 1078 00:38:27,690 --> 00:38:29,010 I was just trying to prove the point 1079 00:38:29,010 --> 00:38:30,770 and I was just trying to identify it as dynamic. 1080 00:38:30,770 --> 00:38:33,010 I didn't say it's new or something. 1081 00:38:33,010 --> 00:38:34,170 Yeah, but all I'm saying though 1082 00:38:34,170 --> 00:38:38,170 is that women use this as a proxy. 1083 00:38:38,170 --> 00:38:39,010 Right. 1084 00:38:39,010 --> 00:38:40,410 They say, look, I don't know the real status, 1085 00:38:40,410 --> 00:38:44,130 but I'm going to click a little checkbox first 1086 00:38:44,130 --> 00:38:45,330 to sort on college. 1087 00:38:45,330 --> 00:38:46,170 I'm just saying, 1088 00:38:47,410 --> 00:38:49,410 probably shouldn't do that ladies. 1089 00:38:50,330 --> 00:38:51,450 So first of all, you're a woman, 1090 00:38:51,450 --> 00:38:53,130 you're trying to evaluate, 1091 00:38:53,130 --> 00:38:55,090 you need someone to evaluate the dominance hierarchy 1092 00:38:55,090 --> 00:38:56,930 so you could try to pick in your dominance hierarchy. 1093 00:38:56,930 --> 00:38:57,770 And there should be some form of... 1094 00:38:57,770 --> 00:39:00,450 I know, but is it a dominance hierarchy if there's... 1095 00:39:01,610 --> 00:39:03,290 I'm saying it's an illusion. 1096 00:39:03,290 --> 00:39:05,610 This particular indicator is not reliable. 1097 00:39:05,610 --> 00:39:06,450 That's what I'm saying. 1098 00:39:06,450 --> 00:39:07,290 That's what I was gonna say. 1099 00:39:07,290 --> 00:39:08,330 I was gonna say it's like, they tried to look there, 1100 00:39:08,330 --> 00:39:10,730 but this is a bad, the function. 1101 00:39:11,930 --> 00:39:13,250 If you use college as a function, 1102 00:39:13,250 --> 00:39:14,810 it worked probably a certain time, 1103 00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:15,650 but now it's not good anymore. 1104 00:39:15,650 --> 00:39:16,770 Yeah, the other thing though is that 1105 00:39:16,770 --> 00:39:18,770 I think basically anyone can get in these days 1106 00:39:18,770 --> 00:39:21,050 if you're just willing to pay. 1107 00:39:21,050 --> 00:39:22,930 I don't even think it really even is... 1108 00:39:22,930 --> 00:39:24,570 There was a time a long time ago, 1109 00:39:24,570 --> 00:39:27,410 in like 1900, only like 5% of Americans 1110 00:39:27,410 --> 00:39:30,730 had graduated high school or something crazy. 1111 00:39:30,730 --> 00:39:32,570 And then now it's like, 1112 00:39:32,570 --> 00:39:34,210 I think it's weird because it is kind of 1113 00:39:34,210 --> 00:39:36,610 in an interesting state where now it's like 1114 00:39:36,610 --> 00:39:41,610 something like 40% of young men 1115 00:39:41,650 --> 00:39:45,170 will go to college after high school. 1116 00:39:45,170 --> 00:39:48,290 So it's a very high impact sort. 1117 00:39:48,810 --> 00:39:51,210 So I can see why people aren't interested in it 1118 00:39:51,210 --> 00:39:54,090 because it's just, the best sort would be like 1119 00:39:54,090 --> 00:39:56,690 sorts in half, sorts in half, sorts in half. 1120 00:39:56,690 --> 00:39:57,530 Right. 1121 00:39:57,530 --> 00:40:00,370 If you wanted to find a specific type of person. 1122 00:40:00,370 --> 00:40:01,570 But yeah, I just think it's like, 1123 00:40:01,570 --> 00:40:04,210 I just think it's just crazy what a lot of people do. 1124 00:40:04,210 --> 00:40:06,010 And a lot of it is a waste of time. 1125 00:40:06,010 --> 00:40:10,650 And you're not surrounded by like brilliant other students 1126 00:40:10,650 --> 00:40:11,890 who are interested in the material. 1127 00:40:11,890 --> 00:40:13,930 I was one of the few people interested in, 1128 00:40:13,930 --> 00:40:15,930 a lot of people I majored in economics, 1129 00:40:15,930 --> 00:40:17,890 a lot of people there are people 1130 00:40:17,890 --> 00:40:19,690 who like failed out of engineering 1131 00:40:20,650 --> 00:40:22,650 because they weren't capable. 1132 00:40:24,010 --> 00:40:26,250 Especially in, most of them went to business, 1133 00:40:26,250 --> 00:40:29,170 but one or two of them were, yeah, in economics. 1134 00:40:29,170 --> 00:40:31,050 Because they were too ashamed to go into business, 1135 00:40:31,050 --> 00:40:33,130 which is even softer. 1136 00:40:34,050 --> 00:40:35,650 Yeah, I don't know what you can learn in, 1137 00:40:35,650 --> 00:40:37,930 again, if you're learning business from books, 1138 00:40:37,930 --> 00:40:38,890 then you're doing it wrong, 1139 00:40:38,890 --> 00:40:40,570 that you're not learning business, clearly. 1140 00:40:40,570 --> 00:40:42,410 Yeah, but no, but this is the thing is the whole, 1141 00:40:42,410 --> 00:40:45,770 everyone knows that it's a, no one actually cares. 1142 00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:47,810 No one actually cares about any of it at all. 1143 00:40:47,810 --> 00:40:50,650 So this is the point is a lot of it is a. 1144 00:40:50,650 --> 00:40:52,330 Then don't go to college kids. 1145 00:40:52,330 --> 00:40:53,610 Listen, if you want to go to college, 1146 00:40:53,610 --> 00:40:54,730 quit college and that's top. 1147 00:40:54,730 --> 00:40:57,810 Just make sure that it's not gonna cost you a lot of money. 1148 00:40:57,810 --> 00:41:00,250 I don't, I don't, I literally, I disagree. 1149 00:41:00,250 --> 00:41:02,250 I think the worst thing you could do is go to college. 1150 00:41:02,250 --> 00:41:03,290 If you're not gonna be a, 1151 00:41:03,290 --> 00:41:04,410 there's no point going to college 1152 00:41:04,410 --> 00:41:05,850 if you're not a doctor, a medical doctor. 1153 00:41:05,850 --> 00:41:07,450 Literally, there's no fucking point. 1154 00:41:07,450 --> 00:41:08,330 I don't see why. 1155 00:41:08,330 --> 00:41:11,170 If you're a lazy, then figure out your laziness. 1156 00:41:11,170 --> 00:41:13,610 If you need college to stop you from being lazy, 1157 00:41:13,610 --> 00:41:14,890 then you have a problem with being lazy. 1158 00:41:14,930 --> 00:41:16,530 So figure out how not to be lazy. 1159 00:41:16,530 --> 00:41:18,810 You might be right about that, I don't know. 1160 00:41:18,810 --> 00:41:20,450 But yeah, I don't know. 1161 00:41:20,450 --> 00:41:22,450 I dropped out of college, so that's why I like it so much. 1162 00:41:22,450 --> 00:41:23,690 I'm so happy that I did. 1163 00:41:25,290 --> 00:41:28,130 Yeah, well, the thing is though about college, 1164 00:41:29,770 --> 00:41:31,330 people out there want, 1165 00:41:32,570 --> 00:41:36,370 college shows that you are able to conform 1166 00:41:36,370 --> 00:41:40,130 and be sort of obedient and well-behaved 1167 00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:41,890 and put up with drudgery. 1168 00:41:41,890 --> 00:41:45,210 And it's sometimes worth it to just show people 1169 00:41:45,210 --> 00:41:47,450 that you could do that if you had to. 1170 00:41:47,450 --> 00:41:48,970 Dude, I have a perfect story. 1171 00:41:48,970 --> 00:41:50,490 Listen, first time I go to college, 1172 00:41:50,490 --> 00:41:53,050 there's this guy, it was this course. 1173 00:41:53,050 --> 00:41:56,010 Anyway, there's this guy that actually was in college, 1174 00:41:56,010 --> 00:41:58,810 was an alumni of the university. 1175 00:41:58,810 --> 00:42:02,050 And he was at, he had some businesses or something, 1176 00:42:02,050 --> 00:42:04,290 and he came there to talk about what's happening. 1177 00:42:04,290 --> 00:42:05,970 And I remember there's this guy come there 1178 00:42:05,970 --> 00:42:06,970 and he says these things like, 1179 00:42:06,970 --> 00:42:09,090 look around you and all the fucking kids 1180 00:42:09,090 --> 00:42:10,810 that are gonna like start doing drugs, 1181 00:42:10,810 --> 00:42:12,370 that are gonna sleep out here, 1182 00:42:12,370 --> 00:42:13,650 they're not gonna come from time to time, 1183 00:42:13,650 --> 00:42:15,490 you're gonna end up working for these guys. 1184 00:42:15,490 --> 00:42:17,290 I'm just telling you, that's what happened to me, 1185 00:42:17,290 --> 00:42:18,490 that was happening to every generation. 1186 00:42:18,490 --> 00:42:22,330 And by the way, that happened to me also. 1187 00:42:22,330 --> 00:42:24,970 I was the kid who didn't come there, 1188 00:42:24,970 --> 00:42:26,530 who would sleep on the bench literally 1189 00:42:26,530 --> 00:42:29,970 and people ended up working with me and for me on projects. 1190 00:42:29,970 --> 00:42:32,890 So go and do that, don't fucking go and like, 1191 00:42:32,890 --> 00:42:35,570 take the course and whatever, because you don't need them. 1192 00:42:38,130 --> 00:42:39,810 Okay, I don't know exactly what to make of that 1193 00:42:39,810 --> 00:42:44,730 because there are also a lot of people who get like Cs, 1194 00:42:44,730 --> 00:42:46,650 who end up being total failures. 1195 00:42:46,650 --> 00:42:48,610 And it was because that, you know, 1196 00:42:49,610 --> 00:42:51,730 they have problems. 1197 00:42:51,730 --> 00:42:53,930 You're right, like if you want me to be statistically accurate 1198 00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:56,050 out of the 100 people out of my year 1199 00:42:56,050 --> 00:42:58,050 who probably bombed out like me on the drugs, 1200 00:42:58,050 --> 00:42:59,810 most of them are probably fucked up in their life. 1201 00:42:59,810 --> 00:43:02,330 But as I said, though, the straight A students 1202 00:43:02,330 --> 00:43:06,370 are kind of auditioning to be good servants or something. 1203 00:43:06,370 --> 00:43:08,290 And some people like that, they like that, 1204 00:43:08,290 --> 00:43:12,610 they like to say, I'm gonna be well behaved 1205 00:43:12,610 --> 00:43:16,290 and as a result, I'm always gonna have a job with someone. 1206 00:43:16,290 --> 00:43:17,130 Then that's fine, but you're- 1207 00:43:17,130 --> 00:43:18,970 So some people like that. 1208 00:43:18,970 --> 00:43:20,930 And I understand how they like that. 1209 00:43:20,930 --> 00:43:23,090 And I get it and look, I could, if you really, 1210 00:43:23,090 --> 00:43:24,890 here's the thing, if you really, really like that, 1211 00:43:24,890 --> 00:43:27,530 but you realize you like that, then that's fine 1212 00:43:27,530 --> 00:43:28,450 because you're gonna be happy 1213 00:43:28,450 --> 00:43:30,370 and people could tell you're happy, there's nothing wrong. 1214 00:43:30,370 --> 00:43:31,570 The problem is most of the people- 1215 00:43:31,570 --> 00:43:32,410 So we agree. 1216 00:43:32,410 --> 00:43:34,130 Lie to themselves that they like that. 1217 00:43:34,130 --> 00:43:36,530 I think really, I don't know what to do about this, 1218 00:43:36,570 --> 00:43:38,970 but there's, I think it's slowly falling apart, 1219 00:43:38,970 --> 00:43:40,050 but it's taking forever. 1220 00:43:40,050 --> 00:43:42,650 I mean, I think about even when did I even go to college? 1221 00:43:42,650 --> 00:43:44,770 I'm talking about this cultural idea in America 1222 00:43:44,770 --> 00:43:46,610 that if you don't go to college, 1223 00:43:46,610 --> 00:43:49,130 you are like a total failure of a person, 1224 00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:51,250 which when did I even go? 1225 00:43:51,250 --> 00:43:52,650 This was like more than 10 years ago 1226 00:43:52,650 --> 00:43:54,970 that I even went to college. 1227 00:43:54,970 --> 00:43:58,530 And the fact that it could have gone for another 10 years 1228 00:43:58,530 --> 00:44:01,610 after where it was when I went, 1229 00:44:01,610 --> 00:44:04,130 now I guess more than 10 years, 1230 00:44:04,130 --> 00:44:07,090 that I find to be depressing. 1231 00:44:07,090 --> 00:44:08,970 I find that to be a depressing idea. 1232 00:44:08,970 --> 00:44:09,810 You know- 1233 00:44:09,810 --> 00:44:12,450 And it could just still be going on and on and on forever. 1234 00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:17,050 And like, when will this idea just fall apart? 1235 00:44:17,050 --> 00:44:18,690 You know, you're supposed to figure, 1236 00:44:18,690 --> 00:44:21,170 the thing is like the first part of your life 1237 00:44:21,170 --> 00:44:23,330 is about figuring out a lot of things, right? 1238 00:44:23,330 --> 00:44:25,970 And in college, you're supposed to have to figure it out. 1239 00:44:25,970 --> 00:44:27,690 And then you're supposed to have the last one person 1240 00:44:27,690 --> 00:44:29,530 to be like, oh, it's just this one thing. 1241 00:44:29,530 --> 00:44:32,490 And now I know, I know what my life path is, you know? 1242 00:44:32,490 --> 00:44:36,810 But I think there's almost no one who has that figured out. 1243 00:44:36,810 --> 00:44:38,130 And that's why you have these problems. 1244 00:44:38,130 --> 00:44:40,410 And that's why you have these tragedies. 1245 00:44:40,410 --> 00:44:42,890 And I know, I couldn't think of a more tragic thing to do 1246 00:44:42,890 --> 00:44:45,610 than imagine you're like 30 right now, right? 1247 00:44:45,610 --> 00:44:47,050 And you get to this conclusion, 1248 00:44:47,050 --> 00:44:48,850 like after you already worked for five years 1249 00:44:48,850 --> 00:44:49,930 at a company, started, 1250 00:44:49,930 --> 00:44:52,090 you may even have a wife or something, right? 1251 00:44:52,090 --> 00:44:53,610 That's why I think you shouldn't like do college. 1252 00:44:53,610 --> 00:44:55,650 You should like go and fuck up a bit 1253 00:44:55,650 --> 00:44:57,210 because you're gonna have this thought earlier 1254 00:44:57,210 --> 00:44:58,290 and you're gonna figure it out. 1255 00:44:58,290 --> 00:44:59,650 And if you think like, you know, yeah, 1256 00:44:59,650 --> 00:45:01,890 now I wanna go to college and go back to college, you know? 1257 00:45:01,930 --> 00:45:04,250 And also, as you progress in life, 1258 00:45:04,250 --> 00:45:05,970 you can take less and less risks. 1259 00:45:05,970 --> 00:45:07,130 So if you're 20 years old 1260 00:45:07,130 --> 00:45:08,410 and you lose all your fucking money, 1261 00:45:08,410 --> 00:45:09,530 like what the fuck is gonna happen? 1262 00:45:09,530 --> 00:45:10,770 You go to your fucking parents, 1263 00:45:10,770 --> 00:45:12,930 they're gonna sleep on their couch or whatever 1264 00:45:12,930 --> 00:45:13,770 and you're fine. 1265 00:45:13,770 --> 00:45:16,050 But, and you can try this until you're 30. 1266 00:45:16,050 --> 00:45:18,490 But when you're 30, that's it. 1267 00:45:18,490 --> 00:45:20,410 So you're supposed to risk everything you have. 1268 00:45:20,410 --> 00:45:23,050 Yeah, people give you a lot of slack when you're young. 1269 00:45:23,050 --> 00:45:23,890 They give you a lot. 1270 00:45:23,890 --> 00:45:25,010 But then as soon as you become like, 1271 00:45:25,010 --> 00:45:26,890 it is like when you turn 25 or 26, 1272 00:45:26,890 --> 00:45:31,170 then people are like, they get a little bored with you 1273 00:45:31,170 --> 00:45:33,490 and they expect you to be pulling your weight. 1274 00:45:33,490 --> 00:45:34,330 Yeah. 1275 00:45:34,330 --> 00:45:35,690 Which is healthy, I think. 1276 00:45:35,690 --> 00:45:37,690 But yeah, big warning to anyone out there 1277 00:45:37,690 --> 00:45:40,970 who's 23 or something, you know, 1278 00:45:42,130 --> 00:45:44,370 stops being cute real, real fast. 1279 00:45:44,370 --> 00:45:48,090 Eventually people expect you to produce 1280 00:45:48,090 --> 00:45:49,610 and then really it's very soon. 1281 00:45:49,610 --> 00:45:51,570 Yeah, by the time you're 30, it's like, 1282 00:45:52,610 --> 00:45:53,850 should have a lot of savings. 1283 00:45:53,850 --> 00:45:56,130 You should have a business network. 1284 00:45:56,130 --> 00:45:57,850 Do you feel old right now? 1285 00:45:57,850 --> 00:45:58,970 No, I don't. 1286 00:45:58,970 --> 00:46:01,970 But I don't feel young either. 1287 00:46:01,970 --> 00:46:02,810 Okay. 1288 00:46:02,810 --> 00:46:04,050 I'm starting to feel old. 1289 00:46:04,050 --> 00:46:05,850 And I'm a bit, I'm like one year younger than you 1290 00:46:05,850 --> 00:46:07,050 or something, but we're the same age. 1291 00:46:07,050 --> 00:46:08,810 But I'm starting to feel old. 1292 00:46:08,810 --> 00:46:10,650 I'm starting to understand what old feels like. 1293 00:46:10,650 --> 00:46:13,010 You know, it's a bit scary. 1294 00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:14,850 It's like, because I could feel like, 1295 00:46:14,850 --> 00:46:16,650 oh, when I'm gonna be 40, 1296 00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:19,330 the small things, they're gonna be amplified a bit. 1297 00:46:19,330 --> 00:46:20,330 That's kind of scares me. 1298 00:46:20,330 --> 00:46:21,890 Like my body, you know what I'm trying to say? 1299 00:46:21,890 --> 00:46:22,810 It'll work out. 1300 00:46:22,810 --> 00:46:24,970 I don't even drink coffee. 1301 00:46:24,970 --> 00:46:26,050 Like I live super healthy, 1302 00:46:26,050 --> 00:46:28,170 but it's still gonna get there. 1303 00:46:28,170 --> 00:46:29,890 So that's kind of scares me a bit. 1304 00:46:31,450 --> 00:46:33,130 Yeah, it is kind of weird. 1305 00:46:33,130 --> 00:46:34,730 I go running a lot. 1306 00:46:34,730 --> 00:46:37,290 And you know, my right knee, 1307 00:46:37,290 --> 00:46:38,650 it just feels a little weird. 1308 00:46:38,650 --> 00:46:40,170 And it just, it doesn't go away. 1309 00:46:40,170 --> 00:46:41,010 I know exactly what you mean. 1310 00:46:41,010 --> 00:46:41,850 Goes for years. 1311 00:46:41,850 --> 00:46:43,210 I know exactly what you mean, yeah. 1312 00:46:43,210 --> 00:46:44,050 And then it's like, 1313 00:46:44,050 --> 00:46:46,410 this is what it's gonna be like forever. 1314 00:46:46,410 --> 00:46:47,250 Yeah. 1315 00:46:47,250 --> 00:46:48,770 But anyway, I do think, 1316 00:46:48,770 --> 00:46:51,690 it really looks like medicine is advancing a lot. 1317 00:46:51,690 --> 00:46:53,490 And probably in 10 years, 1318 00:46:53,490 --> 00:46:55,730 you're gonna be able to like really, 1319 00:46:56,490 --> 00:46:57,810 Can we talk about something super weird 1320 00:46:57,810 --> 00:46:59,730 that is this is near and dear to my heart, 1321 00:46:59,730 --> 00:47:02,730 but it's so weird and bizarre that, 1322 00:47:02,730 --> 00:47:05,170 but I don't know what to make of it. 1323 00:47:05,170 --> 00:47:07,410 What I'm getting at is that, 1324 00:47:09,050 --> 00:47:11,050 what I think is bizarre is that 1325 00:47:11,050 --> 00:47:12,610 there will definitely be a time 1326 00:47:13,730 --> 00:47:16,650 pretty soon in the grand scheme of things. 1327 00:47:16,650 --> 00:47:19,530 And when every human being is immortal, 1328 00:47:20,570 --> 00:47:23,490 and they are gonna look back on this time 1329 00:47:23,530 --> 00:47:26,810 with total confusion and dismay. 1330 00:47:26,810 --> 00:47:27,730 This is what I think. 1331 00:47:27,730 --> 00:47:28,970 They were gonna look back and they're gonna think, 1332 00:47:28,970 --> 00:47:32,890 why weren't those people working hard every day 1333 00:47:32,890 --> 00:47:37,890 to build the immortality device or whatever it is? 1334 00:47:39,730 --> 00:47:40,570 And they're gonna think like, 1335 00:47:40,570 --> 00:47:42,210 didn't they care about their children's lives? 1336 00:47:42,210 --> 00:47:43,570 Didn't they care about their own lives? 1337 00:47:43,570 --> 00:47:45,130 What were they all just crazy? 1338 00:47:45,130 --> 00:47:47,210 And this is a thought that is like in my head, 1339 00:47:47,210 --> 00:47:48,530 like basically every day, 1340 00:47:48,530 --> 00:47:50,050 it's somewhere in the back of my head. 1341 00:47:50,090 --> 00:47:53,570 That like, what is going on? 1342 00:47:53,570 --> 00:47:55,290 So it's sure, what are your two things? 1343 00:47:55,290 --> 00:47:56,130 I agree. 1344 00:47:56,130 --> 00:47:58,210 And I think the trajectory is pretty clear 1345 00:47:58,210 --> 00:47:59,050 that it's gonna go there. 1346 00:47:59,050 --> 00:48:00,970 Now, I don't know what immortality means, 1347 00:48:00,970 --> 00:48:02,730 preserving consciousness, but it's happening. 1348 00:48:02,730 --> 00:48:04,410 Yeah, it could be like brains on a computer 1349 00:48:04,410 --> 00:48:07,170 or some super weird thing that's totally different. 1350 00:48:07,170 --> 00:48:08,450 Or somehow getting to the point 1351 00:48:08,450 --> 00:48:11,050 where the rate as your body degrades 1352 00:48:11,050 --> 00:48:14,090 and how fast you can heal it, 1353 00:48:14,090 --> 00:48:17,170 it gets so good that it's almost no, the decay is little. 1354 00:48:17,170 --> 00:48:18,010 I agree. 1355 00:48:18,010 --> 00:48:20,010 And there's other things like there are these ideas 1356 00:48:20,850 --> 00:48:23,530 for oxygen in blood that stores like months of oxygen 1357 00:48:23,530 --> 00:48:24,890 so that even if you get decapitated, 1358 00:48:24,890 --> 00:48:27,130 your brain will still like just be alive 1359 00:48:27,130 --> 00:48:29,050 for like five or six hours 1360 00:48:29,050 --> 00:48:31,250 and they have plenty of time to take it to them. 1361 00:48:31,250 --> 00:48:33,170 There's a joke about you would have a heart attack 1362 00:48:33,170 --> 00:48:34,530 and your heart would stop 1363 00:48:34,530 --> 00:48:35,810 and you take out your cell phone 1364 00:48:35,810 --> 00:48:38,050 and call your doctor and make an appointment. 1365 00:48:38,050 --> 00:48:39,970 Cause you still have like all this oxygen in your blood. 1366 00:48:39,970 --> 00:48:41,930 So there's jokes about stuff like that, 1367 00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:45,290 but whatever it is, eventually something will be invented. 1368 00:48:45,290 --> 00:48:47,810 And so not everyone will buy it, 1369 00:48:47,810 --> 00:48:49,930 but just eventually the people who don't buy it 1370 00:48:50,850 --> 00:48:51,690 will just die off in increasing number. 1371 00:48:51,690 --> 00:48:53,690 And eventually just everyone will just be, 1372 00:48:53,690 --> 00:48:56,010 they'll just be like a culture of people who never die. 1373 00:48:56,010 --> 00:48:57,930 And they are gonna be so fucking confused 1374 00:48:57,930 --> 00:49:00,490 when they look back at our... 1375 00:49:00,490 --> 00:49:02,410 Here's one, now here's the second point 1376 00:49:02,410 --> 00:49:04,050 where I kind of disagree with you. 1377 00:49:04,050 --> 00:49:07,410 Do you know there's this 1990 movie interview 1378 00:49:07,410 --> 00:49:09,770 with a vampire, which is with Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise 1379 00:49:09,770 --> 00:49:10,690 and that other guy? 1380 00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:13,370 No. 1381 00:49:13,370 --> 00:49:15,290 It's a really good, I don't like vampire movies, 1382 00:49:15,290 --> 00:49:16,530 but this one is very philosophical. 1383 00:49:16,530 --> 00:49:19,890 And there's this vampire who lives forever. 1384 00:49:20,850 --> 00:49:22,210 He can't die and he makes it to the modern times. 1385 00:49:22,210 --> 00:49:27,210 And it really shows how he's this struggle 1386 00:49:27,210 --> 00:49:32,210 of not, it gets, he literally gets bored of life, right? 1387 00:49:32,450 --> 00:49:34,010 But it's a really deep struggle. 1388 00:49:34,010 --> 00:49:35,210 The movie portrays that incredibly well. 1389 00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:38,490 It's like, you know, of course there will be problems 1390 00:49:38,490 --> 00:49:39,410 being immortal. 1391 00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:44,410 It won't be all fun and games, but no one will, 1392 00:49:45,930 --> 00:49:48,210 people will just invent solutions to that. 1393 00:49:48,210 --> 00:49:49,410 There will just be more art. 1394 00:49:49,930 --> 00:49:50,770 There will be more movies. 1395 00:49:50,770 --> 00:49:52,250 There will just be other things. 1396 00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:54,290 People will just do something else. 1397 00:49:54,290 --> 00:49:56,090 You're right, but what I was disagreeing with, 1398 00:49:56,090 --> 00:49:58,610 I don't think they're going to look back at this thing. 1399 00:49:58,610 --> 00:50:00,330 And a lot of people said this, 1400 00:50:00,330 --> 00:50:01,330 but I think there is this whole, 1401 00:50:01,330 --> 00:50:04,370 like getting meaning from death and whatever. 1402 00:50:04,370 --> 00:50:06,570 And I think you get to a point 1403 00:50:06,570 --> 00:50:08,822 where you will want to see that. 1404 00:50:08,822 --> 00:50:11,822 Because you're like, okay, I'm ready to face it now. You know, here's the thing right now. 1405 00:50:11,822 --> 00:50:15,822 I had this thought a few times, and I think Buddhism talks about this. 1406 00:50:15,822 --> 00:50:20,822 I think almost every fear you have in your life, almost, not all of them, they have to do with uncertainty. 1407 00:50:20,822 --> 00:50:24,822 If you think about it, almost all the fears that you have, it's an uncertainty of some sort. 1408 00:50:24,822 --> 00:50:27,822 I'm not going to have money. I'm not going to do this. People don't like me, but it's an uncertainty. 1409 00:50:27,822 --> 00:50:30,822 It's an uncertainty of some sort. And the reason you're... 1410 00:50:30,822 --> 00:50:32,822 You anticipate that something bad might happen. 1411 00:50:32,822 --> 00:50:35,822 Yeah, but it's uncertain, right? It could be boiled down to uncertainty. 1412 00:50:35,822 --> 00:50:41,822 Right, because it's charging up your brain, because it's like you need to decide something to do. 1413 00:50:41,822 --> 00:50:42,822 Yeah. 1414 00:50:42,822 --> 00:50:44,822 Because the monsters burst into the room or whatever. 1415 00:50:44,822 --> 00:50:45,822 Exactly. 1416 00:50:45,822 --> 00:50:49,822 So you need to do something. So that is fear, the emotion. Yes, I agree with you. 1417 00:50:49,822 --> 00:50:55,822 So then, and a big part of fear of death and whatever, it is this uncertainty because you don't know what's happening, right? 1418 00:50:55,822 --> 00:50:59,822 And there's also this fear of like nothing might happen, or everything, or whatever the fuck, right? 1419 00:51:00,822 --> 00:51:10,822 And I think – I don't know, but I get – I have a feeling that I think if you live long, if you get to 90 years old, I think you get to the point where you're like – 1420 00:51:10,822 --> 00:51:15,822 I think if you have a fulfilling life, whatever that means, I think you get to a point where you're like, you know what? 1421 00:51:15,822 --> 00:51:19,822 I want to see what's next. I just have this intuition. I don't know why. 1422 00:51:19,822 --> 00:51:21,822 I know, but I'm saying some people will. 1423 00:51:21,822 --> 00:51:22,822 And I've heard people talk about this. 1424 00:51:22,822 --> 00:51:26,822 No, some people will, but other people won't. That's my point. 1425 00:51:27,822 --> 00:51:28,822 I think – 1426 00:51:28,822 --> 00:51:37,822 Is that eventually – and then eventually the entire population will only be 99.9999% of people who don't feel that way. 1427 00:51:37,822 --> 00:51:39,822 I don't know if that's true. I think the convergence becomes – 1428 00:51:39,822 --> 00:51:40,822 It's just mathematical. 1429 00:51:40,822 --> 00:51:42,822 I don't know. I don't know if that's true. 1430 00:51:42,822 --> 00:51:51,822 All you need are a few people who want to not commit suicide basically, which is the norm. 1431 00:51:52,822 --> 00:52:00,822 And eventually if those people just stick around, it's there to – if that's like 1% of the population every year, you just have to wait. 1432 00:52:00,822 --> 00:52:05,822 No, but one second right now. There's no guarantee that those people, if they're going to have kids, their kids are going to – there's no guarantee if they're – 1433 00:52:05,822 --> 00:52:09,822 That's true, but it doesn't actually need it either because remember, these people don't die. 1434 00:52:09,822 --> 00:52:12,822 So they're around. They'll be around 7,000 years from now. 1435 00:52:12,822 --> 00:52:15,822 Oh, I'm not doubtful that there might not be people who want to live forever. 1436 00:52:15,822 --> 00:52:19,822 But the question is like how do you know like after you live 10,000 years you're not going to kill yourself? 1437 00:52:20,822 --> 00:52:24,822 How do you know? Well, you don't know that for sure. 1438 00:52:24,822 --> 00:52:30,822 Well, what's the difference between – why would people normally – people used to live only whatever, like 25 years. 1439 00:52:30,822 --> 00:52:33,822 That was really old times. 1440 00:52:33,822 --> 00:52:36,822 I know, but there'll be new times. So there'll be a new times. 1441 00:52:36,822 --> 00:52:44,822 There'll be some other – there'll be a whole different – just like we have like over 50 communities, communities where people who are over 50 years of age live in the United States. 1442 00:52:44,822 --> 00:52:52,822 They have like fishing and whatever, stuff that old people do, bingo, pinochle or whatever. 1443 00:52:52,822 --> 00:52:57,822 There will be like a whole new industries for these people who are 7,000 years old. 1444 00:52:57,822 --> 00:53:03,822 The only thing that I'm trying to say, I think when it comes to the point of like you're never going to die, I think you're going to press the off button yourself at some point. 1445 00:53:03,822 --> 00:53:07,822 You want to do it. I don't know why it feels like that's a human thing to do it. 1446 00:53:07,822 --> 00:53:09,822 No, this is what I'm talking about. 1447 00:53:09,822 --> 00:53:23,822 People are going to look back at podcasts like this and they're going to say, how fucking weird that that guy said – that guy in the yellow shirt said that people would eventually just become suicidal at some age for some reason. 1448 00:53:23,822 --> 00:53:26,822 That was how screwed up they were back then. That's what they're going to think. 1449 00:53:26,822 --> 00:53:28,822 They're going to think this is so crazy, these people. 1450 00:53:28,822 --> 00:53:33,822 I'll be honest with you. I thought about this thing a lot and I feel like I would want to live a lot. 1451 00:53:33,822 --> 00:53:36,822 I'd really want to see a bit more things. 1452 00:53:36,822 --> 00:53:41,822 And I'm scared of the things that I'm not going to ever do in my life that I want to do and all those things. 1453 00:53:41,822 --> 00:53:45,822 Some people might just go to sleep. They might like hibernate or something. 1454 00:53:45,822 --> 00:53:51,822 Or they might do like a crazy – the equivalent of like a crazy magic mushroom trip or something that lasts like a hundred years. 1455 00:53:51,822 --> 00:53:52,822 Yeah. 1456 00:53:52,822 --> 00:53:57,822 Do you seriously think people wouldn't want to like meet their great, great grandchildren? 1457 00:53:57,822 --> 00:53:58,822 Of course they would. 1458 00:53:58,822 --> 00:53:59,822 I don't think so. I don't think so. 1459 00:53:59,822 --> 00:54:02,822 You know what? Well, here's the thing if you talk about mushroom and the psychedelic experience. 1460 00:54:02,822 --> 00:54:08,822 I think psychedelic experience gives you insight and it tells you that there is – here's the thing with psychedelic experience. 1461 00:54:08,822 --> 00:54:14,822 It's really – like as soon as you start talking about it, you kind of get a bit unscientific. 1462 00:54:14,822 --> 00:54:20,822 But when you come in and out of it, it's weird that all this mysticism somehow never contradicts science if you really think about it. 1463 00:54:20,822 --> 00:54:24,822 This is terrible. I don't even know where we're even going with this. 1464 00:54:24,822 --> 00:54:25,822 All I was saying was – 1465 00:54:26,822 --> 00:54:32,822 No, I was going to say like if you ever had psychedelic experiences, I think they're going to tell you that the death isn't what you think it is. 1466 00:54:32,822 --> 00:54:36,822 And it would give you a reason to understand there's other things beyond and you go and explore them. 1467 00:54:36,822 --> 00:54:47,822 I agree that psychedelic – there's a famous Johns Hopkins – very famous Johns Hopkins study about it curing fear of death in terminal cancer patients. 1468 00:54:47,822 --> 00:54:51,822 So I think it could do that. It could cure people's fear of death. 1469 00:54:51,822 --> 00:54:56,822 But I still think that there will be – so that's just what I wanted to say about that. 1470 00:54:56,822 --> 00:55:04,822 I just think that – and it's weird that I think they will look – people will look back on this age and they'll think why weren't they working really hard? 1471 00:55:04,822 --> 00:55:06,822 And they will be a little confused. 1472 00:55:06,822 --> 00:55:14,822 They'll say I guess the culture just didn't allow them to survive and they had to just die by the millions every day. 1473 00:55:14,822 --> 00:55:15,822 Yeah, I don't know what to say about it. 1474 00:55:15,822 --> 00:55:17,822 I think I'd be a little baffled by that. 1475 00:55:17,822 --> 00:55:20,822 I think we are working as hard as we can right now. 1476 00:55:20,822 --> 00:55:22,822 It's not like the focus of our species, but it is. 1477 00:55:22,822 --> 00:55:28,822 I mean we got really far away with a lot of diseases like ever since penicillin started being – it was invented. 1478 00:55:28,822 --> 00:55:31,822 I'm talking like why aren't they building? 1479 00:55:31,822 --> 00:55:35,822 If you were in a time machine and you got sent back to this time, you'd say oh my god. 1480 00:55:35,822 --> 00:55:41,822 I have to build the whatever it is, the brain upload machine or whatever. 1481 00:55:41,822 --> 00:55:44,822 They're like I need that thing or I'm going to die. 1482 00:55:44,822 --> 00:55:46,822 I need to get back to my own time. 1483 00:55:46,822 --> 00:55:47,822 I know. 1484 00:55:47,822 --> 00:55:48,822 I don't know what to say about it. 1485 00:55:48,822 --> 00:55:54,822 I think, again, I think we're going towards that or trying to make this finish line to death. 1486 00:55:54,822 --> 00:55:56,822 We're trying to push it further away, and we are doing that. 1487 00:55:56,822 --> 00:55:59,822 But I don't know what this immortality thing, how it goes. 1488 00:55:59,822 --> 00:56:00,822 It's a weird thing to think about. 1489 00:56:00,822 --> 00:56:02,822 I don't know how to even like feel about it. 1490 00:56:02,822 --> 00:56:03,822 I just don't know. 1491 00:56:03,822 --> 00:56:04,822 Yeah, all right. 1492 00:56:04,822 --> 00:56:05,822 I'm bored with this. 1493 00:56:05,822 --> 00:56:07,822 Let's go into SEC wants more women. 1494 00:56:07,822 --> 00:56:09,822 Yeah, what about that? 1495 00:56:09,822 --> 00:56:11,822 Wamen, that's how I spelled it. 1496 00:56:11,822 --> 00:56:14,822 You did, and then I changed it because I was like this guy can't spell. 1497 00:56:14,822 --> 00:56:15,822 No, but that was on purpose. 1498 00:56:15,822 --> 00:56:16,822 It's wamen. 1499 00:56:16,822 --> 00:56:17,822 Was it on purpose? 1500 00:56:17,822 --> 00:56:18,822 Yeah, it's wamen. 1501 00:56:18,822 --> 00:56:19,822 I know how to spell women. 1502 00:56:19,822 --> 00:56:22,822 You spell a lot of things wrong. 1503 00:56:22,822 --> 00:56:24,822 I do spell a lot of things wrong. 1504 00:56:24,822 --> 00:56:26,822 You spell a lot of things wrong in the document. 1505 00:56:26,822 --> 00:56:28,822 So Bruce Fenton, shout out to Bruce Fenton. 1506 00:56:28,822 --> 00:56:29,822 He's great. 1507 00:56:29,822 --> 00:56:30,822 He's great, yeah. 1508 00:56:30,822 --> 00:56:31,822 Shout out to Bruce Fenton. 1509 00:56:31,822 --> 00:56:38,822 NASDAQ just announced that it will seek SEC permission to require that boards of publicly 1510 00:56:38,822 --> 00:56:44,822 listed NASDAQ companies have at least one woman and one minority member on board. 1511 00:56:45,822 --> 00:56:47,822 I mean, yeah. 1512 00:56:47,822 --> 00:56:50,822 I mean, how is that on discrimination? 1513 00:56:50,822 --> 00:56:51,822 How is that as bad? 1514 00:56:51,822 --> 00:56:54,822 That's an explicitly racist and sexist criterion, but I don't know. 1515 00:56:54,822 --> 00:57:00,822 Like there's this theory that that type of thing, I don't know. 1516 00:57:00,822 --> 00:57:06,822 I don't know why they, I would also think that that would be, you would resent, if you 1517 00:57:06,822 --> 00:57:12,822 are, if you are actually a high performing executive who happened to be a woman, I would 1518 00:57:12,822 --> 00:57:16,822 think that you'd be resentful of this type of thing. 1519 00:57:16,822 --> 00:57:21,822 Yeah, I think so too, you know, where it's like, because then everyone could just throw 1520 00:57:21,822 --> 00:57:24,822 at her and just like, she got appointed as CEO because we fucking needed a woman. 1521 00:57:24,822 --> 00:57:25,822 Yeah, exactly. 1522 00:57:25,822 --> 00:57:27,822 And, and, and, and I don't think that's helps anyone. 1523 00:57:27,822 --> 00:57:28,822 Oh, well, yeah. 1524 00:57:28,822 --> 00:57:36,822 So what I was saying though, if the person is a minority and a woman, can they double 1525 00:57:36,822 --> 00:57:38,822 count the person? 1526 00:57:39,822 --> 00:57:42,822 Because it's like, definitely great for them. 1527 00:57:42,822 --> 00:57:45,822 If you're like a black woman, now you're like, oh man. 1528 00:57:45,822 --> 00:57:51,822 Now the question becomes, now the question becomes, why don't you become a woman then 1529 00:57:51,822 --> 00:57:52,822 just increase your chance? 1530 00:57:52,822 --> 00:57:53,822 Like, you know, there's something. 1531 00:57:53,822 --> 00:57:54,822 Oh no, didn't I say that also? 1532 00:57:54,822 --> 00:57:58,822 And I was like, yeah, why don't you just become, just identify as a woman? 1533 00:57:58,822 --> 00:58:00,822 I mean, this is how crazy, this is simple. 1534 00:58:00,822 --> 00:58:04,822 There's a, there's a new, there's a new Hollywood movie in the making with this. 1535 00:58:04,822 --> 00:58:06,822 Actually, maybe they would never make this type of movie. 1536 00:58:06,822 --> 00:58:09,822 But there was a, there was a terrible movie. 1537 00:58:09,822 --> 00:58:14,822 I never, I don't think I ever saw it back in the day where people like, what's it was 1538 00:58:14,822 --> 00:58:15,822 like? 1539 00:58:15,822 --> 00:58:18,822 People pretended to be married to get like healthcare benefits or something. 1540 00:58:18,822 --> 00:58:24,822 People get married to get, dude, I told you I almost got married with a woman at a conference 1541 00:58:24,822 --> 00:58:25,822 for a visa once. 1542 00:58:25,822 --> 00:58:26,822 I told you that. 1543 00:58:26,822 --> 00:58:27,822 No. 1544 00:58:27,822 --> 00:58:31,822 So I met a honey badger, 2018, I think, right? 1545 00:58:31,822 --> 00:58:33,822 Baltic honey badger Bitcoin conference. 1546 00:58:33,822 --> 00:58:35,822 Yeah, that was right after I quit drugs and everything. 1547 00:58:35,822 --> 00:58:38,822 So anyway, so now, thank you very much. 1548 00:58:38,822 --> 00:58:41,822 I have not in drugs or fucked any hookers since then. 1549 00:58:41,822 --> 00:58:43,822 Anyway, so listen, I'm at a honey badger. 1550 00:58:43,822 --> 00:58:44,822 I'm having the time of my life. 1551 00:58:44,822 --> 00:58:45,822 It's really great. 1552 00:58:45,822 --> 00:58:46,822 You know, things are going pretty well. 1553 00:58:46,822 --> 00:58:49,822 That was like a long, long, long vacation. 1554 00:58:49,822 --> 00:58:53,822 Now I'm with Mike Foxon, the guy who organizes the meetup in London. 1555 00:58:53,822 --> 00:58:57,822 We go out around there and we meet up with these two chicks, right? 1556 00:58:57,822 --> 00:59:00,822 One of them was Russian, one of them was Ukrainian, right? 1557 00:59:00,822 --> 00:59:02,822 This was in Estonia, by the way. 1558 00:59:02,822 --> 00:59:03,822 They were studying there. 1559 00:59:03,822 --> 00:59:07,822 So what ends up happening is that we hook up with them and, I don't know, 1560 00:59:07,822 --> 00:59:11,822 long story short, I decide to stay a week more to hang out with this girl 1561 00:59:11,822 --> 00:59:14,822 that I just met, this Ukrainian girl, right? 1562 00:59:14,822 --> 00:59:16,822 And I stand there with her and she's going, look, 1563 00:59:16,822 --> 00:59:18,822 I'm just doing nothing all day. 1564 00:59:18,822 --> 00:59:20,822 I'm on my laptop and she's going to work. 1565 00:59:20,822 --> 00:59:21,822 I'm picking her up off for work. 1566 00:59:21,822 --> 00:59:25,822 We hang out, we whatever, you know, and there's this thing I say, 1567 00:59:25,822 --> 00:59:27,822 you know what, I almost ran out of laundry. 1568 00:59:27,822 --> 00:59:31,822 And she goes like, I'll wash your clothes for you. 1569 00:59:31,822 --> 00:59:34,822 And there was something about that, man, 1570 00:59:34,822 --> 00:59:38,822 because no woman except my mama and my grandma ever said that to me, all right? 1571 00:59:38,822 --> 00:59:41,822 That really made me feel like, you know what, that's weird. 1572 00:59:41,822 --> 00:59:44,822 So I stayed for a month, by the way, and I'm talking with this girl. 1573 00:59:44,822 --> 00:59:48,822 And, you know, I realized, like, why don't we just get – 1574 00:59:48,822 --> 00:59:52,822 we reached a conclusion proposed by her, of course, as a joke, 1575 00:59:52,822 --> 00:59:54,822 because she would need a visa anyway. 1576 00:59:54,822 --> 00:59:55,822 Why don't we get married? 1577 00:59:55,822 --> 00:59:57,822 And she said, like, I'm going to do this for you. 1578 00:59:57,822 --> 00:59:58,822 I'm going to do this for you. 1579 00:59:58,822 --> 00:59:59,822 You know, it's like it was kind of this thing. 1580 00:59:59,822 --> 01:00:00,822 So now I'm sitting here. 1581 01:00:00,822 --> 01:00:04,822 I'm in this Eastern European fucking country after a conference. 1582 01:00:04,822 --> 01:00:07,822 And I thought about it. 1583 01:00:07,822 --> 01:00:08,822 I really thought about it. 1584 01:00:08,822 --> 01:00:09,822 I was like, you know what, I'm old. 1585 01:00:09,822 --> 01:00:10,822 Why didn't I give it a go? 1586 01:00:10,822 --> 01:00:11,822 Why didn't I see this? 1587 01:00:11,822 --> 01:00:13,822 It's not like she's going to have my money or something. 1588 01:00:13,822 --> 01:00:16,822 A prenup would be out of the fucking, like, you know, like, no doubt about it. 1589 01:00:16,822 --> 01:00:18,822 And then I realized, like, I'm fucking retarded. 1590 01:00:18,822 --> 01:00:20,822 I need to, you know, like, let's stop this. 1591 01:00:20,822 --> 01:00:23,822 So I just – I was like, no, listen, this is wrong. 1592 01:00:23,822 --> 01:00:25,822 And I flew back home, back to London. 1593 01:00:25,822 --> 01:00:28,822 That part of your brain that says this is a stupid idea. 1594 01:00:28,822 --> 01:00:29,822 Yeah. 1595 01:00:29,822 --> 01:00:30,822 Turned on. 1596 01:00:30,822 --> 01:00:35,822 What percentage of marriages worldwide do you think are just like some guy who says, 1597 01:00:35,822 --> 01:00:36,822 you know what, I'm getting older. 1598 01:00:36,822 --> 01:00:39,822 Let me just – my friends are getting married. 1599 01:00:39,822 --> 01:00:40,822 Let me just do this marriage thing. 1600 01:00:40,822 --> 01:00:42,822 I think 99% of them are. 1601 01:00:42,822 --> 01:00:43,822 99%? 1602 01:00:43,822 --> 01:00:44,822 I think 99% of them, yeah. 1603 01:00:44,822 --> 01:00:45,822 Yeah. 1604 01:00:45,822 --> 01:00:50,822 But another thing, the reason why – I have a few friends who, like, have this thing, 1605 01:00:50,822 --> 01:00:53,822 like, they have the I got married story in some weird location. 1606 01:00:54,822 --> 01:00:56,822 If I eat a bagel here, I have some. 1607 01:00:56,822 --> 01:00:57,822 I'm just really hungry. 1608 01:00:57,822 --> 01:00:58,822 Go for it. 1609 01:00:58,822 --> 01:00:59,822 Okay, good. 1610 01:00:59,822 --> 01:01:02,822 I'm going to put this microphone down while you tell your boring story about – 1611 01:01:02,822 --> 01:01:03,822 That's pretty much it. 1612 01:01:03,822 --> 01:01:04,822 I don't have anything else to say. 1613 01:01:04,822 --> 01:01:07,822 The story is over. 1614 01:01:07,822 --> 01:01:10,822 You got a plain bagel with nothing, just a bagel? 1615 01:01:10,822 --> 01:01:13,822 You're eating carbs? 1616 01:01:13,822 --> 01:01:15,822 This is a very fresh bagel. 1617 01:01:15,822 --> 01:01:16,822 It's carbs. 1618 01:01:16,822 --> 01:01:18,822 You're eating pretty much carbs. 1619 01:01:18,822 --> 01:01:19,822 Anyway. 1620 01:01:19,822 --> 01:01:20,822 Yeah, well, that was – 1621 01:01:20,822 --> 01:01:22,822 If I cut it in half, I would have to do all this stuff. 1622 01:01:23,822 --> 01:01:29,822 Anyway, I have a few friends who, like, have this story when they got married once 1623 01:01:29,822 --> 01:01:31,822 and then they divorced a week later or something. 1624 01:01:31,822 --> 01:01:33,822 I was like, maybe I should try this. 1625 01:01:33,822 --> 01:01:35,822 But good thing I didn't fucking do it. 1626 01:01:35,822 --> 01:01:36,822 Good fucking thing I didn't do it. 1627 01:01:36,822 --> 01:01:39,822 So, yeah. 1628 01:01:39,822 --> 01:01:42,822 Once I went on a date with – I recently went on a date with this girl, 1629 01:01:42,822 --> 01:01:44,822 and she goes like, tell me something crazy. 1630 01:01:44,822 --> 01:01:48,822 And I'm like, I'll tell you something that's soft crazy because if I tell her, 1631 01:01:48,822 --> 01:01:51,822 like, something, like, really crazy, she would just fucking, like, run away. 1632 01:01:51,822 --> 01:01:56,822 And I tell her this, and she was like, so this is, like, non-crazy for you? 1633 01:01:56,822 --> 01:02:00,822 I'm like, yeah, this is a vanilla story that I have, you know, when it comes to craziness. 1634 01:02:00,822 --> 01:02:02,822 You told her that it wasn't really a crazy story? 1635 01:02:02,822 --> 01:02:03,822 Well, it's not. 1636 01:02:03,822 --> 01:02:04,822 Why didn't you tell her that? 1637 01:02:04,822 --> 01:02:06,822 You should have just said, okay, here's the craziest thing I've ever done. 1638 01:02:06,822 --> 01:02:07,822 I can't lie. 1639 01:02:07,822 --> 01:02:10,822 And then hit her with, like, a 45%. 1640 01:02:10,822 --> 01:02:14,822 The most important thing for me is really I need to be true with myself, Paul. 1641 01:02:14,822 --> 01:02:15,822 And this is who I am. 1642 01:02:15,822 --> 01:02:17,822 I did a lot of fucked up things. 1643 01:02:17,822 --> 01:02:18,822 I have a lot of crazy stories. 1644 01:02:18,822 --> 01:02:20,822 I've never done anything fucked up, like, to hurt anyone. 1645 01:02:20,822 --> 01:02:22,822 Like, I just fucked up my own life or something. 1646 01:02:22,822 --> 01:02:26,822 But it's really important that I could look myself in the mirror and tell the story. 1647 01:02:26,822 --> 01:02:27,822 That's the truth. 1648 01:02:27,822 --> 01:02:28,822 No, that's not a fucked up story. 1649 01:02:28,822 --> 01:02:32,822 That's a, you know, mildly fucked up story. 1650 01:02:32,822 --> 01:02:35,822 Yeah. 1651 01:02:35,822 --> 01:02:36,822 Okay, whatever. 1652 01:02:36,822 --> 01:02:39,822 Can we just, let's just skip, can we skip, like, seven of these? 1653 01:02:39,822 --> 01:02:41,822 And I don't know. 1654 01:02:41,822 --> 01:02:44,822 Why don't you just pick the next one? 1655 01:02:44,822 --> 01:02:45,822 I should, okay, okay. 1656 01:02:45,822 --> 01:02:49,822 Let's pick the next one. 1657 01:02:49,822 --> 01:02:52,822 I don't know. 1658 01:02:52,822 --> 01:02:55,822 What do you think about Bitcoin Error Log and Adam Beck? 1659 01:02:55,822 --> 01:02:58,822 This was titled the beggar and the shamer. 1660 01:02:58,822 --> 01:03:02,822 The beggar is Adam Beck as he was begging people to integrate his liquid. 1661 01:03:02,822 --> 01:03:06,822 And now the shamer, John Carvajo, is trying to shame exchanges to integrate Lightning. 1662 01:03:06,822 --> 01:03:09,822 What do you think about this? 1663 01:03:09,822 --> 01:03:14,822 I have a lot of thoughts. 1664 01:03:15,822 --> 01:03:27,822 Yeah, we have, Bitcoin went through this period where there was a dispute over what, you know, there's the block size debate. 1665 01:03:27,822 --> 01:03:31,822 But this is just part of a dispute over what the software should do. 1666 01:03:31,822 --> 01:03:34,822 And I call this meta consensus. 1667 01:03:34,822 --> 01:03:36,822 Like, what should the consensus be of? 1668 01:03:36,822 --> 01:03:39,822 Because the software will do the consensus just fine. 1669 01:03:40,822 --> 01:03:45,822 It will make sure everyone agrees on everything that the blockchain contains. 1670 01:03:45,822 --> 01:04:06,822 And so since there's no solution for meta consensus, though, there's just all this, like, arguing and there are these cultural enforcers who try to control, you know, what Bitcoin is and to stop it from being degraded and destroyed. 1671 01:04:06,822 --> 01:04:22,822 But in the process, you get all this weird stuff about, you get all these weird people just trying to put psychological pressure on other people to do this or that. 1672 01:04:23,822 --> 01:04:36,822 And it speaks to the fact that this technology doesn't actually solve problems for the user because they have to be kind of coerced into doing it. 1673 01:04:37,822 --> 01:04:44,822 Well, I guess the argument could be that if this technology survives for a long time, there are going to be some market dynamics that decide on this. 1674 01:04:44,822 --> 01:04:53,822 And the best, of course, best could mean not the really best, the best in the specific contest should eventually win, you know. 1675 01:04:53,822 --> 01:04:55,822 But, yeah, I don't know if that's true. 1676 01:04:58,822 --> 01:04:59,822 Yeah, I don't know, me either. 1677 01:05:00,822 --> 01:05:19,822 But I think, though, I don't know, like, I think, I think it's another thing, though, about it is, though, that it's just like this Twitter world where they're very influential and then they are like the exchanges that are accountable to the customer and they don't care at all. 1678 01:05:19,822 --> 01:05:23,822 So that's another interesting aspect of it. 1679 01:05:24,822 --> 01:05:33,822 Yeah, I don't even understand, like, I don't understand, like, literally when you, so if you spend time on Twitter and you see John Carvalho saying this, you're probably going to say in your mind he's doing the right thing, Bitcoin or whatever. 1680 01:05:33,822 --> 01:05:39,822 If you just step back, like, do you understand, like, we don't understand, like, what's the fucking point? 1681 01:05:39,822 --> 01:05:44,822 What say do you have as a person to go and tell someone how they should run their business? 1682 01:05:44,822 --> 01:05:46,822 I mean, you could say it, by the way, it's free. 1683 01:05:46,822 --> 01:05:50,822 It's a free fucking country or whatever the fuck, a platform. 1684 01:05:50,822 --> 01:05:55,822 But it's also it's like someone will come into my house and they would be like, stop wearing yellow shirts. 1685 01:05:55,822 --> 01:05:56,822 And I'm like, what? 1686 01:05:56,822 --> 01:05:59,822 No, stop yelling at us just because you're it's not good. 1687 01:05:59,822 --> 01:06:02,822 It's like, but why are you even looking in my house? 1688 01:06:02,822 --> 01:06:05,822 What the fuck do you have to do with my own body and my own shirts? 1689 01:06:05,822 --> 01:06:06,822 You know, I know better. 1690 01:06:06,822 --> 01:06:07,822 I know what should be better. 1691 01:06:07,822 --> 01:06:08,822 That's what they're doing. 1692 01:06:08,822 --> 01:06:09,822 Pretty much. 1693 01:06:09,822 --> 01:06:11,822 It's crazy, isn't it? 1694 01:06:11,822 --> 01:06:21,822 Well, that's what I was trying to say at first, but I was very inarticulate, which is that there's the culture rewards people for, like, shilling lightning network or whatever. 1695 01:06:21,822 --> 01:06:32,822 So you're best considered like a virtuous thing to go and try and point at people and say, this guy is not conforming to the lightning. 1696 01:06:33,822 --> 01:06:45,822 And so we like make fun of them or bring them in line with the ostracize them until they do this. 1697 01:06:45,822 --> 01:06:52,822 So that's considered to be like a good thing. 1698 01:06:52,822 --> 01:07:00,822 Yeah, I guess the reason why it's considered good is because just because like, oh, you're one of us and we know they're not one of them. 1699 01:07:00,822 --> 01:07:02,822 So we found that you found an enemy for us. 1700 01:07:02,822 --> 01:07:05,822 You so you efficiently found an enemy for us. 1701 01:07:05,822 --> 01:07:07,822 You should be rewarded for finding enemies. 1702 01:07:07,822 --> 01:07:08,822 You know, that's pretty much it. 1703 01:07:08,822 --> 01:07:11,822 And there's no there's not it's not like even these people are enemies or anything. 1704 01:07:11,822 --> 01:07:15,822 It's just like, what the fuck, you know? 1705 01:07:15,822 --> 01:07:21,822 And I don't know, I don't understand, like, like, like how the fuck these people found yourself in this position. 1706 01:07:21,822 --> 01:07:23,822 And and I don't know why Bell is doing this. 1707 01:07:23,822 --> 01:07:25,822 I just don't fucking understand. 1708 01:07:25,822 --> 01:07:31,822 And and other things like he's I don't understand what the fuck is he he's running a stealth startup. 1709 01:07:31,822 --> 01:07:33,822 What what is. 1710 01:07:33,822 --> 01:07:35,822 What does that even mean, man? 1711 01:07:35,822 --> 01:07:37,822 What else is he going to do, though? 1712 01:07:37,822 --> 01:07:46,822 Because he doesn't really write software and he doesn't really. 1713 01:07:46,822 --> 01:07:51,822 The only thing he has is this cultural angle. 1714 01:07:52,822 --> 01:07:55,822 You know what I mean? 1715 01:07:55,822 --> 01:07:58,822 Yeah, he doesn't like have any he doesn't like promote Bitcoin. 1716 01:07:58,822 --> 01:08:03,822 He doesn't you're trying to say like he's he's his game, his game as a as a guy in Bitcoin. 1717 01:08:03,822 --> 01:08:05,822 Like your game is sidechains or something. 1718 01:08:05,822 --> 01:08:09,822 His game is like, I'm the guy who like, yeah, is the moral compass and whatever. 1719 01:08:09,822 --> 01:08:10,822 Be something like that. 1720 01:08:10,822 --> 01:08:11,822 Yeah. 1721 01:08:11,822 --> 01:08:14,822 Self self was the word culture police or something. 1722 01:08:14,822 --> 01:08:16,822 Yeah. 1723 01:08:16,822 --> 01:08:18,822 I mean, it's not that that's all he has. 1724 01:08:18,822 --> 01:08:20,822 That's like what for whatever reason he ended up in that position. 1725 01:08:20,822 --> 01:08:23,822 But he is a smart guy and he could do a lot of things. 1726 01:08:23,822 --> 01:08:24,822 And he proved this. 1727 01:08:24,822 --> 01:08:25,822 Like, it's not like he couldn't do any other thing. 1728 01:08:25,822 --> 01:08:27,822 And this is his only skill. 1729 01:08:27,822 --> 01:08:28,822 It's not like he knows how to juggle. 1730 01:08:28,822 --> 01:08:29,822 And he's doomed. 1731 01:08:29,822 --> 01:08:30,822 So he's juggling right now. 1732 01:08:30,822 --> 01:08:32,822 I think he's not aware of what's happening. 1733 01:08:32,822 --> 01:08:34,822 I think he's just so caught up into this thing. 1734 01:08:34,822 --> 01:08:37,822 And in his own insanity, he thinks he's doing the right thing. 1735 01:08:37,822 --> 01:08:39,822 But practically. 1736 01:08:39,822 --> 01:08:43,822 Yeah, a lot of people are sending him the signals that he is doing the right thing. 1737 01:08:43,822 --> 01:08:45,822 So I think I did a lot. 1738 01:08:45,822 --> 01:08:46,822 Also, sometimes. 1739 01:08:46,822 --> 01:08:47,822 I don't know. 1740 01:08:47,822 --> 01:08:49,822 Sometimes he is like when you see these people doing this. 1741 01:08:49,822 --> 01:08:52,822 They say sometimes they just hit a nail on the head in the right way. 1742 01:08:52,822 --> 01:08:54,822 And you can't help but applaud. 1743 01:08:54,822 --> 01:08:55,822 Because they're doing it in the right way. 1744 01:08:55,822 --> 01:08:57,822 There's a talent even in doing this. 1745 01:08:57,822 --> 01:08:59,822 Do you agree on this? 1746 01:08:59,822 --> 01:09:01,822 Yes, I do. 1747 01:09:01,822 --> 01:09:05,822 And the thing is like I think they probably like when the Bitcoin cash thing was happening. 1748 01:09:05,822 --> 01:09:06,822 He did it. 1749 01:09:06,822 --> 01:09:07,822 He did it. 1750 01:09:07,822 --> 01:09:08,822 He did hit one good fucking nail. 1751 01:09:08,822 --> 01:09:10,822 And I think he's just surfing on that wave right now. 1752 01:09:10,822 --> 01:09:11,822 And people are not like reassessing like. 1753 01:09:11,822 --> 01:09:13,822 What was the good nail? 1754 01:09:13,822 --> 01:09:14,822 I don't know. 1755 01:09:14,822 --> 01:09:15,822 I just feel like the way. 1756 01:09:15,822 --> 01:09:16,822 See, why do you say these things? 1757 01:09:16,822 --> 01:09:17,822 Then you say I don't know. 1758 01:09:17,822 --> 01:09:18,822 I ask you a simple question. 1759 01:09:18,822 --> 01:09:19,822 But I was going to reply to it. 1760 01:09:19,822 --> 01:09:21,822 That was a verbal thing that I had. 1761 01:09:21,822 --> 01:09:23,822 I was just going to go into it and explain to you. 1762 01:09:23,822 --> 01:09:25,822 Yeah, what he did. 1763 01:09:25,822 --> 01:09:26,822 That's my bad. 1764 01:09:26,822 --> 01:09:27,822 Fair enough. 1765 01:09:27,822 --> 01:09:28,822 I didn't talk correctly. 1766 01:09:28,822 --> 01:09:34,822 What he did then at that moment was that he was the right person to be against Roger Ver. 1767 01:09:34,822 --> 01:09:36,822 And he really like. 1768 01:09:36,822 --> 01:09:38,822 Everyone knew what the argument was. 1769 01:09:38,822 --> 01:09:40,822 But he was just the guy who made it entertaining. 1770 01:09:40,822 --> 01:09:42,822 And made fun of him. 1771 01:09:42,822 --> 01:09:44,822 And that was valuable at that point. 1772 01:09:44,822 --> 01:09:45,822 I think it was. 1773 01:09:45,822 --> 01:09:46,822 It was. 1774 01:09:46,822 --> 01:09:47,822 It really added to the meme. 1775 01:09:47,822 --> 01:09:48,822 And he coagulated a bit more. 1776 01:09:48,822 --> 01:09:50,822 And I don't know. 1777 01:09:50,822 --> 01:09:51,822 I like that. 1778 01:09:51,822 --> 01:09:52,822 I just like the way he did it. 1779 01:09:52,822 --> 01:09:53,822 I think it was funny. 1780 01:09:53,822 --> 01:09:54,822 You know. 1781 01:09:54,822 --> 01:09:55,822 He triggered him. 1782 01:09:55,822 --> 01:09:56,822 I think that. 1783 01:09:56,822 --> 01:09:59,822 And also surfaced how actually unprepared Roger was. 1784 01:09:59,822 --> 01:10:00,822 Because. 1785 01:10:00,822 --> 01:10:02,822 And how the fact that he didn't have. 1786 01:10:02,822 --> 01:10:03,822 It's the same like. 1787 01:10:03,822 --> 01:10:04,822 If I would call you fat right now. 1788 01:10:04,822 --> 01:10:05,822 You're not going to get mad. 1789 01:10:05,822 --> 01:10:06,822 Like. 1790 01:10:06,822 --> 01:10:07,822 Oh my God. 1791 01:10:07,822 --> 01:10:08,822 Fat Paul. 1792 01:10:08,822 --> 01:10:09,822 Stop eating for fuck's sake. 1793 01:10:09,822 --> 01:10:10,822 Can you take a break? 1794 01:10:10,822 --> 01:10:11,822 It's not going to phase me in any way. 1795 01:10:11,822 --> 01:10:12,822 But if I would say something like. 1796 01:10:12,822 --> 01:10:13,822 You know. 1797 01:10:13,822 --> 01:10:14,822 I don't want to get mean. 1798 01:10:14,822 --> 01:10:15,822 But if I would say something. 1799 01:10:15,822 --> 01:10:16,822 You're going to. 1800 01:10:16,822 --> 01:10:17,822 And you're going to get upset by it. 1801 01:10:17,822 --> 01:10:18,822 There's some truth to it. 1802 01:10:18,822 --> 01:10:19,822 And that really exposed the whole thing. 1803 01:10:19,822 --> 01:10:20,822 Yeah. 1804 01:10:20,822 --> 01:10:21,822 It touches the nerve. 1805 01:10:21,822 --> 01:10:22,822 As we say. 1806 01:10:22,822 --> 01:10:23,822 Yeah. 1807 01:10:23,822 --> 01:10:24,822 In America. 1808 01:10:24,822 --> 01:10:25,822 I don't know. 1809 01:10:25,822 --> 01:10:26,822 Yeah. 1810 01:10:26,822 --> 01:10:27,822 If other people have that idiom. 1811 01:10:27,822 --> 01:10:28,822 But. 1812 01:10:28,822 --> 01:10:29,822 That's like when you get under someone's skin. 1813 01:10:29,822 --> 01:10:30,822 That's another idiom. 1814 01:10:30,822 --> 01:10:31,822 But. 1815 01:10:31,822 --> 01:10:32,822 Yeah. 1816 01:10:32,822 --> 01:10:33,822 But yeah. 1817 01:10:33,822 --> 01:10:34,822 Roger's obviously very upset. 1818 01:10:34,822 --> 01:10:35,822 So I think there was merit. 1819 01:10:35,822 --> 01:10:36,822 So I think there was merit to that portion. 1820 01:10:36,822 --> 01:10:37,822 And that was. 1821 01:10:37,822 --> 01:10:38,822 But then after that. 1822 01:10:38,822 --> 01:10:39,822 You see. 1823 01:10:39,822 --> 01:10:40,822 That's what I was saying though. 1824 01:10:40,822 --> 01:10:41,822 That's just a cultural enforcer thing. 1825 01:10:41,822 --> 01:10:42,822 Yeah. 1826 01:10:42,822 --> 01:10:43,822 Yeah. 1827 01:10:43,822 --> 01:10:44,822 But what is the thing related to his. 1828 01:10:44,822 --> 01:10:45,822 Skill. 1829 01:10:45,822 --> 01:10:46,822 His technical skill. 1830 01:10:46,822 --> 01:10:47,822 Yeah, but. 1831 01:10:47,822 --> 01:10:48,822 Do you understand. 1832 01:10:48,822 --> 01:10:49,822 I think we are at a point right now. 1833 01:10:49,822 --> 01:10:50,822 Where navigating. 1834 01:10:50,822 --> 01:10:51,822 Where everything is so connected. 1835 01:10:51,822 --> 01:10:52,822 And all information. 1836 01:10:52,822 --> 01:10:53,822 All human like behavior. 1837 01:10:53,822 --> 01:10:54,822 Bumps into each other. 1838 01:10:54,822 --> 01:10:55,822 And navigating culture right now. 1839 01:10:55,822 --> 01:10:56,822 Like being tactful. 1840 01:10:56,822 --> 01:10:57,822 And being able to navigate and. 1841 01:10:57,822 --> 01:10:58,822 Lead culture. 1842 01:10:58,822 --> 01:10:59,822 It's a really important skill. 1843 01:10:59,822 --> 01:11:00,822 It's as important. 1844 01:11:00,822 --> 01:11:01,822 As being able to type. 1845 01:11:01,822 --> 01:11:02,822 When I'm looking at a keyboard. 1846 01:11:02,822 --> 01:11:03,822 Almost. 1847 01:11:03,822 --> 01:11:04,822 If that makes any sense. 1848 01:11:04,822 --> 01:11:05,822 Do you agree with this Roger? 1849 01:11:05,822 --> 01:11:06,822 I think it's gonna be. 1850 01:11:06,822 --> 01:11:07,822 It's a really important skill. 1851 01:11:07,822 --> 01:11:08,822 That's what I was saying. 1852 01:11:08,822 --> 01:11:09,822 That's what we're talking about. 1853 01:11:09,822 --> 01:11:10,822 If that makes any sense. 1854 01:11:10,822 --> 01:11:11,822 Do you agree with this or not? 1855 01:11:11,822 --> 01:11:12,822 Yes. 1856 01:11:12,822 --> 01:11:13,822 I mean. 1857 01:11:13,822 --> 01:11:14,822 But I don't think it matters. 1858 01:11:14,822 --> 01:11:15,822 To my point. 1859 01:11:15,822 --> 01:11:16,822 Anything that was said. 1860 01:11:16,822 --> 01:11:17,822 Oh. 1861 01:11:17,822 --> 01:11:18,822 Why. 1862 01:11:18,822 --> 01:11:19,822 Sorry. 1863 01:11:19,822 --> 01:11:20,822 What do you mean by that? 1864 01:11:20,822 --> 01:11:21,822 Because. 1865 01:11:21,822 --> 01:11:22,822 This is what I'm saying. 1866 01:11:22,822 --> 01:11:23,822 Is he's just. 1867 01:11:23,822 --> 01:11:24,822 You look at the tweet. 1868 01:11:24,822 --> 01:11:25,822 He's just doing the same thing. 1869 01:11:25,822 --> 01:11:26,822 That he did to Roger Ver. 1870 01:11:26,822 --> 01:11:27,822 Just to Kraken. 1871 01:11:27,822 --> 01:11:28,822 But Kraken has. 1872 01:11:28,822 --> 01:11:29,822 But. 1873 01:11:29,822 --> 01:11:30,822 Kraken's different from Roger Ver. 1874 01:11:30,822 --> 01:11:31,822 And that Kraken doesn't care. 1875 01:11:31,822 --> 01:11:32,822 You're right. 1876 01:11:32,822 --> 01:11:33,822 So they're like. 1877 01:11:33,822 --> 01:11:34,822 Okay. 1878 01:11:34,822 --> 01:11:35,822 Who cares? 1879 01:11:35,822 --> 01:11:36,822 Because actually. 1880 01:11:36,822 --> 01:11:37,822 No one cares. 1881 01:11:37,822 --> 01:11:38,822 Right. 1882 01:11:38,822 --> 01:11:39,822 The only person who did care was Roger Ver. 1883 01:11:39,822 --> 01:11:40,822 Who cared about being accused of having. 1884 01:11:40,822 --> 01:11:41,822 Twitter sock puppet accounts. 1885 01:11:41,822 --> 01:11:42,822 Yeah. 1886 01:11:42,822 --> 01:11:43,822 I look. 1887 01:11:43,822 --> 01:11:44,822 I don't know. 1888 01:11:44,822 --> 01:11:45,822 Forget about Roger. 1889 01:11:45,822 --> 01:11:46,822 But. 1890 01:11:46,822 --> 01:11:47,822 But the point is that. 1891 01:11:47,822 --> 01:11:48,822 Yeah. 1892 01:11:48,822 --> 01:11:49,822 You're right. 1893 01:11:49,822 --> 01:11:50,822 I guess you're right. 1894 01:11:50,822 --> 01:11:51,822 He's not. 1895 01:11:51,822 --> 01:11:52,822 He's just playing the same old song. 1896 01:11:52,822 --> 01:11:53,822 That's the thing right now. 1897 01:11:53,822 --> 01:11:54,822 He's. 1898 01:11:54,822 --> 01:11:55,822 Right. 1899 01:11:55,822 --> 01:11:56,822 But I think. 1900 01:11:56,822 --> 01:11:57,822 I worry that it was actually. 1901 01:11:57,822 --> 01:11:58,822 Only. 1902 01:11:58,822 --> 01:11:59,822 Ironically. 1903 01:11:59,822 --> 01:12:00,822 The source of. 1904 01:12:00,822 --> 01:12:01,822 John Carvalho. 1905 01:12:01,822 --> 01:12:02,822 Value. 1906 01:12:02,822 --> 01:12:03,822 If. 1907 01:12:03,822 --> 01:12:04,822 According to you. 1908 01:12:04,822 --> 01:12:05,822 You say the big thing was. 1909 01:12:05,822 --> 01:12:06,822 The Roger Ver. 1910 01:12:06,822 --> 01:12:07,822 Interview. 1911 01:12:07,822 --> 01:12:08,822 The biggest. 1912 01:12:08,822 --> 01:12:09,822 The biggest thing was the Roger Ver. 1913 01:12:09,822 --> 01:12:10,822 Interview. 1914 01:12:10,822 --> 01:12:11,822 But it was really coming from Roger Ver. 1915 01:12:11,822 --> 01:12:12,822 If there were any threat from Roger Ver. 1916 01:12:12,822 --> 01:12:13,822 And from Bitcoin.com. 1917 01:12:13,822 --> 01:12:14,822 Then there would be no. 1918 01:12:14,822 --> 01:12:15,822 Argument. 1919 01:12:15,822 --> 01:12:16,822 That's such. 1920 01:12:16,822 --> 01:12:18,822 There would be no real. 1921 01:12:18,822 --> 01:12:19,822 Benefit to having. 1922 01:12:19,822 --> 01:12:20,822 The interview. 1923 01:12:20,822 --> 01:12:21,822 For. 1924 01:12:21,822 --> 01:12:22,822 For BTC cultural cohesion. 1925 01:12:22,822 --> 01:12:23,822 This is just assuming that. 1926 01:12:23,822 --> 01:12:24,822 You know what you're saying right now. 1927 01:12:24,822 --> 01:12:25,822 Is the most dumbest thing in the world. 1928 01:12:25,822 --> 01:12:26,822 You're trying to say. 1929 01:12:26,822 --> 01:12:27,822 There's a policeman at that. 1930 01:12:27,822 --> 01:12:28,822 Someone who rapes children. 1931 01:12:28,822 --> 01:12:29,822 And you're like. 1932 01:12:29,822 --> 01:12:30,822 It's not a policeman's merit is the guy who wrote. 1933 01:12:30,822 --> 01:12:31,822 These children because. 1934 01:12:31,822 --> 01:12:32,822 How what they caught in the first. 1935 01:12:32,822 --> 01:12:33,822 What the fuck are you talking about. 1936 01:12:33,822 --> 01:12:34,822 That's. 1937 01:12:34,822 --> 01:12:35,822 The most dumbest fucking thing I ever heard. 1938 01:12:35,822 --> 01:12:36,822 Because it's. 1939 01:12:36,822 --> 01:12:37,822 It's. 1940 01:12:37,822 --> 01:12:38,822 It's. 1941 01:12:38,822 --> 01:12:39,822 It's a specialized thing. 1942 01:12:39,822 --> 01:12:40,822 Yeah. 1943 01:12:40,822 --> 01:12:41,822 I don't know if I would. 1944 01:12:41,822 --> 01:12:42,822 I kind of understand what you're saying. 1945 01:12:42,822 --> 01:12:43,822 The analogy is a little distracting. 1946 01:12:43,822 --> 01:12:44,822 But. 1947 01:12:44,822 --> 01:12:45,822 It was purposely. 1948 01:12:45,822 --> 01:12:46,822 Very. 1949 01:12:46,822 --> 01:12:47,822 Violent. 1950 01:12:47,822 --> 01:12:48,822 I know. 1951 01:12:48,822 --> 01:12:49,822 Look. 1952 01:12:49,822 --> 01:12:50,822 Anyway. 1953 01:12:50,822 --> 01:12:51,822 The point is that. 1954 01:12:51,822 --> 01:12:52,822 The point is that. 1955 01:12:52,822 --> 01:12:53,822 That John. 1956 01:12:53,822 --> 01:12:54,822 Is doing some things like. 1957 01:12:54,822 --> 01:12:55,822 Blindly. 1958 01:12:55,822 --> 01:12:56,822 Right. 1959 01:12:56,822 --> 01:12:57,822 Right. 1960 01:12:57,822 --> 01:12:58,822 Right now. 1961 01:12:58,822 --> 01:12:59,822 He's. 1962 01:12:59,822 --> 01:13:00,822 He's not like really. 1963 01:13:00,822 --> 01:13:01,822 Doing it. 1964 01:13:01,822 --> 01:13:02,822 Right. 1965 01:13:02,822 --> 01:13:03,822 He's just saying things to say things. 1966 01:13:03,822 --> 01:13:04,822 And he can't realize. 1967 01:13:04,822 --> 01:13:05,822 Right. 1968 01:13:05,822 --> 01:13:06,822 Can we agree on that? 1969 01:13:06,822 --> 01:13:07,822 Well, I think. 1970 01:13:07,822 --> 01:13:08,822 No, but I think it's like. 1971 01:13:08,822 --> 01:13:09,822 He did the Roger Ver thing. 1972 01:13:09,822 --> 01:13:10,822 And got a lot of positive feedback. 1973 01:13:10,822 --> 01:13:11,822 From that. 1974 01:13:11,822 --> 01:13:12,822 So he's like. 1975 01:13:12,822 --> 01:13:13,822 I need to do more of that. 1976 01:13:13,822 --> 01:13:14,822 Yeah. 1977 01:13:14,822 --> 01:13:15,822 But here's the right now. 1978 01:13:15,822 --> 01:13:16,822 Let's. 1979 01:13:16,822 --> 01:13:17,822 Let's call it. 1980 01:13:17,822 --> 01:13:18,822 But that's what I was trying to say before. 1981 01:13:18,822 --> 01:13:19,822 He's always. 1982 01:13:19,822 --> 01:13:20,822 Only been kind of doing that type of thing. 1983 01:13:20,822 --> 01:13:21,822 Yeah. 1984 01:13:21,822 --> 01:13:22,822 But. 1985 01:13:22,822 --> 01:13:23,822 But. 1986 01:13:23,822 --> 01:13:24,822 But the thing is like. 1987 01:13:24,822 --> 01:13:25,822 I don't know if you remember. 1988 01:13:25,822 --> 01:13:26,822 But he's been around. 1989 01:13:26,822 --> 01:13:27,822 I think he's in between. 1990 01:13:27,822 --> 01:13:28,822 Even before you got. 1991 01:13:28,822 --> 01:13:29,822 By the way. 1992 01:13:29,822 --> 01:13:30,822 I don't think that's true at all. 1993 01:13:30,822 --> 01:13:31,822 Really. 1994 01:13:31,822 --> 01:13:32,822 I remember when. 1995 01:13:32,822 --> 01:13:33,822 I saw him. 1996 01:13:33,822 --> 01:13:34,822 And. 1997 01:13:34,822 --> 01:13:35,822 So she around table two. 1998 01:13:35,822 --> 01:13:36,822 He's. 1999 01:13:36,822 --> 01:13:37,822 He was in between. 2000 01:13:37,822 --> 01:13:38,822 Before that. 2001 01:13:38,822 --> 01:13:39,822 Like way, way, way before that. 2002 01:13:39,822 --> 01:13:40,822 Anyway. 2003 01:13:40,822 --> 01:13:41,822 That's not a point. 2004 01:13:41,822 --> 01:13:42,822 A point is that. 2005 01:13:42,822 --> 01:13:43,822 Yeah. 2006 01:13:43,822 --> 01:13:44,822 But do you remember his blog? 2007 01:13:44,822 --> 01:13:45,822 Do you remember he was to be on IRC? 2008 01:13:45,822 --> 01:13:46,822 Like. 2009 01:13:46,822 --> 01:13:47,822 It's not like this is all he did. 2010 01:13:47,822 --> 01:13:48,822 He's been around for a long time. 2011 01:13:48,822 --> 01:13:49,822 Yeah. 2012 01:13:49,822 --> 01:13:50,822 Okay. 2013 01:13:50,822 --> 01:13:51,822 But what's your point? 2014 01:13:51,822 --> 01:13:52,822 Oh, sorry. 2015 01:13:52,822 --> 01:13:53,822 My point is. 2016 01:13:53,822 --> 01:13:54,822 It's not like this was the only thing he was known for. 2017 01:13:54,822 --> 01:13:55,822 Like. 2018 01:13:55,822 --> 01:13:56,822 He just did a Roger Ver interview. 2019 01:13:56,822 --> 01:13:57,822 Like. 2020 01:13:57,822 --> 01:13:58,822 Okay. 2021 01:13:58,822 --> 01:13:59,822 What was he known for that before? 2022 01:13:59,822 --> 01:14:00,822 I don't know. 2023 01:14:00,822 --> 01:14:01,822 Just was everyone else was doing. 2024 01:14:01,822 --> 01:14:02,822 Yeah. 2025 01:14:02,822 --> 01:14:03,822 I'm just trying to remember. 2026 01:14:03,822 --> 01:14:04,822 For a long time. 2027 01:14:04,822 --> 01:14:05,822 He was saying some really smart things and he was saying things that I. 2028 01:14:05,822 --> 01:14:06,822 Couldn't cut onto. 2029 01:14:06,822 --> 01:14:07,822 And I was listening to him. 2030 01:14:07,822 --> 01:14:08,822 I was like, damn. 2031 01:14:08,822 --> 01:14:09,822 This guy said it in a nice way. 2032 01:14:09,822 --> 01:14:10,822 Okay. 2033 01:14:10,822 --> 01:14:11,822 Okay. 2034 01:14:11,822 --> 01:14:12,822 Maybe that means it is your team friends. 2035 01:14:12,822 --> 01:14:16,822 And you could say that if that's true, but that's how I remember him. 2036 01:14:16,822 --> 01:14:18,822 He's the only idiot now, but I'm trying to say, he's not. 2037 01:14:18,822 --> 01:14:19,822 All the time. 2038 01:14:19,822 --> 01:14:21,822 Again, I was called. 2039 01:14:21,822 --> 01:14:22,822 I'm not calling. 2040 01:14:22,822 --> 01:14:23,822 I'm not saying he's an idiot at all. 2041 01:14:23,822 --> 01:14:25,822 I'm just saying that he. 2042 01:14:25,822 --> 01:14:27,822 Is B he's fallen into this. 2043 01:14:27,822 --> 01:14:28,822 He's a gear and a machine. 2044 01:14:28,822 --> 01:14:29,822 That's true. 2045 01:14:29,822 --> 01:14:32,822 He is the gear that is just. 2046 01:14:32,822 --> 01:14:33,822 The shaming gear. 2047 01:14:33,822 --> 01:14:34,822 Like you were saying. 2048 01:14:34,822 --> 01:14:35,822 Yeah. 2049 01:14:35,822 --> 01:14:36,822 He's the shaming gear. 2050 01:14:36,822 --> 01:14:37,822 The shamer gear. 2051 01:14:37,822 --> 01:14:38,822 Yeah. 2052 01:14:38,822 --> 01:14:39,822 But there's a lot of problems with that. 2053 01:14:39,822 --> 01:14:40,822 I agree with you. 2054 01:14:40,822 --> 01:14:42,822 I mean, there's no disagreement there. 2055 01:14:42,822 --> 01:14:43,822 Of course. 2056 01:14:43,822 --> 01:14:48,822 Only if you can perfectly infallibly shame only the. 2057 01:14:48,822 --> 01:14:52,822 The people from most wrong and most able to be shamed. 2058 01:14:52,822 --> 01:14:53,822 First. 2059 01:14:53,822 --> 01:14:54,822 I agree with you. 2060 01:14:54,822 --> 01:14:55,822 I agree with you. 2061 01:14:55,822 --> 01:14:56,822 I mean, you can't. 2062 01:14:56,822 --> 01:14:57,822 You can't make a big list infallibly sorted from the people who are. 2063 01:14:57,822 --> 01:14:59,822 Most worthy of being shamed. 2064 01:14:59,822 --> 01:15:01,822 Look, we have to be honest. 2065 01:15:01,822 --> 01:15:03,822 And he also like picked on Cory. 2066 01:15:03,822 --> 01:15:04,822 He picked like he picks on. 2067 01:15:04,822 --> 01:15:05,822 It's not like he has a list of people. 2068 01:15:05,822 --> 01:15:06,822 He picks on almost anyone he can. 2069 01:15:06,822 --> 01:15:07,822 So. 2070 01:15:07,822 --> 01:15:08,398 Yeah. 2071 01:15:08,398 --> 01:15:13,678 There's the people he picks on almost anyone he can. So let's, let's give him this, let's call him that, you know, he, sorry, let's give him that because he does do that a lot. 2072 01:15:14,918 --> 01:15:17,998 Once in Amsterdam, he tried to convince me that. 2073 01:15:19,198 --> 01:15:19,638 Personal. 2074 01:15:21,158 --> 01:15:23,198 Yeah. Well, it was a big table, so there was a lot of people there. 2075 01:15:24,438 --> 01:15:30,758 Was this, when you did that presentation, uh, now that I saw, what year was this given context? 2076 01:15:31,438 --> 01:15:37,198 It was the last year of, it was the second breaking Bitcoin, I think. 2077 01:15:37,758 --> 01:15:40,158 Oh, so this wasn't like a Wednesday thing. Okay. Go on, go on. 2078 01:15:42,478 --> 01:15:54,318 And he's tried to say that Bitcoin is a store of value, not because the economic value is stored, but because data is stored as values like numerical values. 2079 01:15:54,398 --> 01:15:58,238 And he's, and I said, what about, what about a pen and paper that stores value? 2080 01:15:58,278 --> 01:15:59,198 Is that a store of value? 2081 01:15:59,278 --> 01:15:59,998 He said, yes. 2082 01:16:00,878 --> 01:16:03,278 I thought, what the fuck? 2083 01:16:06,158 --> 01:16:10,318 Sometimes you meet people and you're like, this is the person that everyone has been listening to for a while. 2084 01:16:11,118 --> 01:16:22,518 And then you were saying yesterday, did we, did you cut this from the, did you edit this out of the last, when we talked about how, um, only recently did he discover that SegWit had a block size increase or something? 2085 01:16:22,598 --> 01:16:25,158 I don't remember if that, I think that that was in, I don't remember. 2086 01:16:25,598 --> 01:16:26,358 I don't think I cut it out. 2087 01:16:26,358 --> 01:16:27,478 It's still though, it's still like that. 2088 01:16:27,478 --> 01:16:29,478 And you're just like, Oh my God. 2089 01:16:30,798 --> 01:16:30,998 Yeah. 2090 01:16:30,998 --> 01:16:41,118 But I don't know what the conversation was about, but I went on for like another 10 minutes of incredulity of trying to say, but I do think, I do think the statement, a piece of paper stores value. 2091 01:16:41,118 --> 01:16:44,798 If you write a symbol on it, I think that is true. 2092 01:16:45,038 --> 01:16:47,798 It stores, it stores numeric informational value. 2093 01:16:47,798 --> 01:16:55,838 It doesn't, yeah, that's what I know, but that is what I went back and forth with him the whole time saying that doesn't make any sense at all. 2094 01:16:55,958 --> 01:16:57,758 Microsoft Excel stores values. 2095 01:16:57,918 --> 01:17:08,318 There's a meta context to this in the fact that some numerical information means Bitcoin, some means Apple, some means, I don't know, the bytes we have on the screen that we use right now. 2096 01:17:08,318 --> 01:17:14,038 This conception of store value, the big, like the big debate, the medium of exchange store value. 2097 01:17:15,438 --> 01:17:15,678 Yeah. 2098 01:17:15,678 --> 01:17:17,118 It didn't even have anything to do with money. 2099 01:17:17,198 --> 01:17:23,358 This seemed to be more like a semantical conversation, which I think could be fun, but I don't think it's like, that's how I feel. 2100 01:17:23,798 --> 01:17:25,078 That's how I would interpret it right now. 2101 01:17:25,078 --> 01:17:25,518 I don't know. 2102 01:17:25,878 --> 01:17:26,758 What else to say to that? 2103 01:17:28,398 --> 01:17:28,678 Well, yeah. 2104 01:17:28,678 --> 01:17:31,798 I mean, obviously he's not here, so he can't explain. 2105 01:17:33,158 --> 01:17:34,198 Everyone's invited though. 2106 01:17:34,358 --> 01:17:35,478 People want to come on, right? 2107 01:17:36,198 --> 01:17:37,198 Anyone can just come on. 2108 01:17:37,558 --> 01:17:38,038 I don't care. 2109 01:17:38,278 --> 01:17:39,638 Let's try to get a guest next time. 2110 01:17:40,038 --> 01:17:40,318 Yeah. 2111 01:17:40,838 --> 01:17:42,038 I have a few guests in mind. 2112 01:17:43,878 --> 01:17:45,638 I have some people who know I don't want to come on, by the way. 2113 01:17:45,678 --> 01:17:47,838 So yeah, it'll all just be Mike in space. 2114 01:17:48,958 --> 01:17:49,718 You know what the thing is? 2115 01:17:49,718 --> 01:17:53,638 Like, I honestly, I don't think I ever heard Mike in space talk, except on Bitcoin cartel. 2116 01:17:53,678 --> 01:17:54,198 Can you imagine? 2117 01:17:56,118 --> 01:17:57,358 He has his own podcast. 2118 01:17:58,238 --> 01:17:58,638 What? 2119 01:17:59,198 --> 01:18:00,358 It's, it's baffling. 2120 01:18:00,958 --> 01:18:06,678 I can't tell if it's, I cannot tell if it's, no, I can't tell if it's satire or not. 2121 01:18:07,518 --> 01:18:09,598 It's the great minds, Bitcoin podcast. 2122 01:18:10,878 --> 01:18:11,598 Shout out to that. 2123 01:18:11,878 --> 01:18:12,358 How come? 2124 01:18:12,878 --> 01:18:16,918 The logo is the guy's, the guy's brain is so big that it becomes a chair that he sits on. 2125 01:18:17,558 --> 01:18:18,198 Oh my God. 2126 01:18:18,198 --> 01:18:18,958 I saw that around. 2127 01:18:18,958 --> 01:18:19,718 Okay. 2128 01:18:19,718 --> 01:18:19,998 Yeah. 2129 01:18:20,718 --> 01:18:21,758 I don't think that meme. 2130 01:18:22,518 --> 01:18:22,838 Yeah. 2131 01:18:22,878 --> 01:18:24,398 No, I seen even the tweet to that. 2132 01:18:24,558 --> 01:18:26,238 I don't think I, I didn't realize. 2133 01:18:26,238 --> 01:18:29,598 He finds these people to interview that are like so obscure. 2134 01:18:31,278 --> 01:18:32,078 It's pretty obscure. 2135 01:18:33,238 --> 01:18:33,718 Okay. 2136 01:18:34,038 --> 01:18:35,158 Well, I'm going to watch it now. 2137 01:18:35,158 --> 01:18:36,238 No, I'm, I'm intrigued by it. 2138 01:18:36,718 --> 01:18:37,998 Anyway, let's move to the next thing. 2139 01:18:37,998 --> 01:18:38,198 Yeah. 2140 01:18:38,238 --> 01:18:40,118 Because I'm bored with this. 2141 01:18:40,158 --> 01:18:42,838 And so yeah, you really don't like this. 2142 01:18:42,838 --> 01:18:45,358 This is something that you, this is the Luke Dashjr thing, right? 2143 01:18:45,838 --> 01:18:46,118 Yeah. 2144 01:18:46,118 --> 01:18:46,518 Okay. 2145 01:18:46,558 --> 01:18:49,918 And you really have a strong reaction to this, but I just, I think it's kind of boring. 2146 01:18:50,878 --> 01:18:51,038 Yeah. 2147 01:18:51,038 --> 01:18:52,638 My strong reaction to this is that. 2148 01:18:52,878 --> 01:18:54,398 Well, just, should we read the tweet first? 2149 01:18:54,518 --> 01:18:55,638 You do it because I'm off. 2150 01:18:57,958 --> 01:18:59,118 Luke Dashjr. 2151 01:18:59,118 --> 01:19:01,038 AKA at Luke Dashjr. 2152 01:19:01,038 --> 01:19:02,438 at Bitcoin hackers.org. 2153 01:19:03,478 --> 01:19:05,478 That's his Twitter name. 2154 01:19:06,198 --> 01:19:08,718 Replying to Matt O'Dell. 2155 01:19:10,678 --> 01:19:13,798 Is it pronounced with the stress on the second syllable O'Dell or is it? 2156 01:19:14,878 --> 01:19:16,318 I've never actually, I don't remember. 2157 01:19:16,518 --> 01:19:18,478 I'm not very good at remembering people's names. 2158 01:19:19,798 --> 01:19:20,238 Okay. 2159 01:19:20,718 --> 01:19:22,478 You don't even remember your own fucking name. 2160 01:19:23,518 --> 01:19:24,158 I don't know. 2161 01:19:24,198 --> 01:19:24,958 I wish I could forget. 2162 01:19:25,158 --> 01:19:25,518 Okay. 2163 01:19:26,238 --> 01:19:28,718 He says, this is from Luke to Matt. 2164 01:19:30,638 --> 01:19:31,198 Clear my throat. 2165 01:19:32,318 --> 01:19:37,078 At the same time, it's kind of crappy that devs have to spend time, quote, 2166 01:19:37,118 --> 01:19:39,598 monetizing, unquote, at all. 2167 01:19:40,798 --> 01:19:44,398 Would be nice if people just did their part to fund development, dot, dot, dot. 2168 01:19:45,798 --> 01:19:46,758 Then parentheses. 2169 01:19:47,238 --> 01:19:50,038 Some do, but it seems like a minority. 2170 01:19:50,598 --> 01:19:51,518 Close parentheses. 2171 01:19:52,318 --> 01:19:52,758 There you go. 2172 01:19:53,238 --> 01:19:53,558 Yeah. 2173 01:19:53,598 --> 01:19:53,918 I don't. 2174 01:19:53,918 --> 01:19:57,598 So he's talking about the fact that there is a free rider problem. 2175 01:19:58,678 --> 01:20:03,238 And so people don't fund development because they can just kick back and say, 2176 01:20:03,678 --> 01:20:07,718 yeah, good luck with that Bitcoin development as they sip their mojito. 2177 01:20:08,838 --> 01:20:09,798 I have something to add here. 2178 01:20:10,518 --> 01:20:13,078 For those of you who don't know, Luke Dashjr. 2179 01:20:13,118 --> 01:20:14,478 is a well-known Christian. 2180 01:20:14,878 --> 01:20:19,238 And as he says in his Twitter bio, he's super Catholic. 2181 01:20:19,278 --> 01:20:19,878 He's super Catholic. 2182 01:20:20,638 --> 01:20:23,838 He says, the pedos who took over the Vatican are not Catholic. 2183 01:20:24,038 --> 01:20:24,718 He's very Catholic. 2184 01:20:24,998 --> 01:20:26,038 And he has seven kids. 2185 01:20:26,478 --> 01:20:28,878 And now, here's why he doesn't believe in birth control. 2186 01:20:28,878 --> 01:20:30,438 I'm reasonably certain. 2187 01:20:30,718 --> 01:20:31,278 You know what? 2188 01:20:31,358 --> 01:20:33,798 I, I have an idea for him. 2189 01:20:34,118 --> 01:20:37,838 Luke, if you don't have, if you need more money and you can't, and you, because 2190 01:20:37,838 --> 01:20:41,398 you're spending too much time on development, pull out next fucking time. 2191 01:20:41,478 --> 01:20:42,438 It's so simple, dude. 2192 01:20:42,638 --> 01:20:46,238 When you come, you take it out and you come somewhere else. 2193 01:20:46,678 --> 01:20:48,358 It's so fucking simple, man. 2194 01:20:48,638 --> 01:20:52,398 And you don't have to go on, on Twitter and shame people into like, I don't know. 2195 01:20:52,398 --> 01:20:53,878 What the fuck are we talking about here? 2196 01:20:54,278 --> 01:20:54,958 I'll give you that. 2197 01:20:54,998 --> 01:21:00,878 I do think that the, I'm not sure that that's a stigma, that's a stigma. 2198 01:21:00,878 --> 01:21:03,558 By the way, Coitus Interruptus is called, I think. 2199 01:21:04,198 --> 01:21:07,598 Yeah, well, I know it's, it's called something, but you know, I don't 2200 01:21:07,598 --> 01:21:08,838 know about the effectiveness. 2201 01:21:09,598 --> 01:21:10,078 What do you mean? 2202 01:21:10,678 --> 01:21:11,278 It's effective. 2203 01:21:11,278 --> 01:21:11,678 I could tell. 2204 01:21:11,678 --> 01:21:12,558 Well, I don't know. 2205 01:21:12,558 --> 01:21:16,038 What if I have a, what if I say it's not effective and I have a kid somewhere? 2206 01:21:16,798 --> 01:21:18,118 No, it's definitely is not. 2207 01:21:18,238 --> 01:21:19,518 You, are you being serious right now? 2208 01:21:19,518 --> 01:21:22,598 You should look this up because you know, the, I don't know. 2209 01:21:22,638 --> 01:21:24,878 I don't know exactly what language I'm going to employ here. 2210 01:21:24,918 --> 01:21:32,158 So then I can, I don't feel like a total fucking weirdo, but let's just say some 2211 01:21:32,158 --> 01:21:41,278 of the, the preamble also contains the payload required to create a new child. 2212 01:21:41,758 --> 01:21:48,558 So there's no, so it doesn't work. 2213 01:21:51,398 --> 01:21:55,078 It's very important that people understand that actually. 2214 01:21:56,318 --> 01:21:59,998 This segment of Bitcoin Sex Education was brought to you by Paul Sztorc. 2215 01:22:01,158 --> 01:22:04,478 And this is sponsored by DriveChains. 2216 01:22:06,678 --> 01:22:08,038 Oh, this is so much. 2217 01:22:08,078 --> 01:22:08,838 This is a segment. 2218 01:22:08,838 --> 01:22:11,238 This is really, this is, this is the first. 2219 01:22:11,278 --> 01:22:13,958 Part of the show though, your 32nd thing. 2220 01:22:13,958 --> 01:22:17,718 So you won't shut up about, I'm going to cut the, I'm going to cut the two hour 2221 01:22:17,718 --> 01:22:21,998 show into 40 million, 30 second segments. 2222 01:22:22,398 --> 01:22:25,198 And then tweet them once every 12 seconds. 2223 01:22:25,238 --> 01:22:27,278 I fucking told you where we're doing. 2224 01:22:27,278 --> 01:22:27,918 I'm serious about it. 2225 01:22:28,598 --> 01:22:29,398 I just think it's funny. 2226 01:22:30,398 --> 01:22:31,718 Oh, we're going to be on tick tock. 2227 01:22:32,198 --> 01:22:33,278 No one second, Paul. 2228 01:22:33,278 --> 01:22:34,158 I'm really serious. 2229 01:22:34,198 --> 01:22:36,518 I, you know what, you don't, you don't like this podcast. 2230 01:22:36,518 --> 01:22:37,638 You don't want it to be good. 2231 01:22:37,678 --> 01:22:40,558 I just think it's funny when people, um, I just think it's. 2232 01:22:40,838 --> 01:22:42,478 Well, I think you're putting a lot of effort. 2233 01:22:43,358 --> 01:22:43,678 I am. 2234 01:22:44,078 --> 01:22:47,198 I, I, I can't, I clearly I'm putting way more effort in it. 2235 01:22:47,198 --> 01:22:49,318 Like, like, like at least one order of magnitude more than you. 2236 01:22:49,918 --> 01:22:50,158 At least. 2237 01:22:50,158 --> 01:22:50,718 And that's fine. 2238 01:22:51,758 --> 01:22:52,438 Here's the thing. 2239 01:22:52,558 --> 01:22:54,238 And this is gonna, we have this on video. 2240 01:22:54,238 --> 01:22:57,518 If we ever make money out of this podcast, I'm getting a bigger cut. 2241 01:22:57,638 --> 01:22:58,518 I'm just going to be honest. 2242 01:22:58,518 --> 01:23:03,438 You can have, you can have 90% of the cut binding verbal contract. 2243 01:23:03,878 --> 01:23:04,478 One second. 2244 01:23:04,918 --> 01:23:06,638 I, I almost want a third person. 2245 01:23:06,798 --> 01:23:09,358 So if you like, if we were to make a million dollars right now, 2246 01:23:09,478 --> 01:23:12,318 I would have, it would change my incentives if it was, the number is too low. 2247 01:23:12,438 --> 01:23:14,798 So anyway, anyway, that's not the point. 2248 01:23:14,918 --> 01:23:17,198 Anyway, you know, let's make money from a podcast. 2249 01:23:17,198 --> 01:23:18,678 Why would you even think that that's possible? 2250 01:23:18,718 --> 01:23:20,358 So you don't think you can make money from a podcast? 2251 01:23:20,918 --> 01:23:22,718 I don't think I can make money from a podcast. 2252 01:23:23,158 --> 01:23:25,398 So let's say right now we become the best podcast on the planet. 2253 01:23:25,918 --> 01:23:27,558 Let's say like literally everyone listens to us. 2254 01:23:27,798 --> 01:23:31,358 You don't think there's any way we can monetize that and not sell out. 2255 01:23:31,758 --> 01:23:35,238 And I don't know, I feel like this argument became substantially circular. 2256 01:23:36,238 --> 01:23:40,118 You just jumped to, we have the best podcast on the planet. 2257 01:23:41,198 --> 01:23:42,038 But, um, 2258 01:23:42,198 --> 01:23:45,078 okay, listen, we, we, so we started between Twitter, 2259 01:23:45,118 --> 01:23:48,278 we started Twitter account and we have a million followers there and people are 2260 01:23:48,278 --> 01:23:51,358 tweeting our shit. They engage with us. They, they know our jokes, whatever. 2261 01:23:51,478 --> 01:23:54,758 You're telling me people are going to say, I'll pay you to tweet this. 2262 01:23:55,798 --> 01:23:56,638 And then you're going to do that. 2263 01:23:56,958 --> 01:23:58,118 That's kind of like, so you don't think, 2264 01:23:58,118 --> 01:24:00,878 so you don't think there's any way you can monetize that. Okay. 2265 01:24:00,878 --> 01:24:03,398 Let me ask you this. What if someone like, let's say you, 2266 01:24:03,398 --> 01:24:06,998 you, we both talk about like, uh, advertisers and I also like, 2267 01:24:07,118 --> 01:24:09,838 we couldn't get cracking to advertise because we couldn't talk shit about them. 2268 01:24:09,838 --> 01:24:11,318 And we'd sometimes want to talk shit about it. 2269 01:24:11,358 --> 01:24:14,718 No, I don't think there should be any advertisers because your brain, 2270 01:24:14,838 --> 01:24:18,158 what if, what if, um, a flashlight company like Joe Rogan? 2271 01:24:18,358 --> 01:24:19,718 Yeah, that was funny. Yeah, I agree. 2272 01:24:19,718 --> 01:24:23,038 As long as it has nothing to do with anything we could possibly talk about. 2273 01:24:23,478 --> 01:24:26,518 Yeah. Well, that's what I'm trying to say. And again, like, or you could be, 2274 01:24:26,598 --> 01:24:29,278 or let's say someone says like, we want to advertise with you guys. 2275 01:24:29,278 --> 01:24:31,198 And we go like, we're going to shit on you by the way. 2276 01:24:31,198 --> 01:24:33,238 And you're going to be okay with that. And if you have it in writing, 2277 01:24:33,398 --> 01:24:35,518 like I would literally get there and I would shit on them. 2278 01:24:35,678 --> 01:24:38,278 I would do the advertisement and I would be like, they're bad because of this. 2279 01:24:38,558 --> 01:24:39,398 You want to be okay with that? 2280 01:24:39,638 --> 01:24:43,998 No, I don't think so because it's subconsciously throws little switches in your 2281 01:24:43,998 --> 01:24:46,358 brain. And I've seen it happen a lot. You know, you're right. 2282 01:24:46,358 --> 01:24:48,998 You're right about it. It does people like, Oh, I'll take the money, 2283 01:24:48,998 --> 01:24:51,958 but it won't make any difference. It definitely does though. 2284 01:24:52,798 --> 01:24:54,958 No, you're right. So it should be taken for a long time. 2285 01:24:55,198 --> 01:24:57,518 What if Blockstream would want to advertise in our podcast? 2286 01:24:57,518 --> 01:24:58,358 How would you feel about that? 2287 01:24:59,358 --> 01:25:02,558 I think that would be funny. So I think that would be fine. 2288 01:25:02,998 --> 01:25:06,358 And then I don't need any money. So I don't know if it would affect me, 2289 01:25:06,358 --> 01:25:09,758 but you're the one who wants this to become like a big thing. 2290 01:25:10,918 --> 01:25:12,278 So I don't know how it would affect you. 2291 01:25:13,318 --> 01:25:14,158 You know, 2292 01:25:15,998 --> 01:25:20,998 I really want this to be priced in. I really want that. 2293 01:25:21,038 --> 01:25:22,278 That's how I know the podcast is doing well. 2294 01:25:22,278 --> 01:25:26,318 If someone is willing to pay money for a second on your validation, 2295 01:25:26,518 --> 01:25:28,398 this is like the Luke Tess Jr. point though. 2296 01:25:31,518 --> 01:25:35,838 Well, I don't think it's that weird for him to want to be paid. 2297 01:25:36,238 --> 01:25:39,678 I don't think also. I mean, what's weird about that? He's doing work. 2298 01:25:39,678 --> 01:25:42,038 He's doing incredible work, like literally incredible work. 2299 01:25:42,438 --> 01:25:46,638 And he's one of those five people who literally like, he's not, 2300 01:25:46,638 --> 01:25:49,838 but you understand that this is quite different from a guy who's like a 2301 01:25:49,838 --> 01:25:53,038 carpenter who's making cabinets or something and he gets paid by the cabinet. 2302 01:25:53,798 --> 01:25:54,638 I agree with you. 2303 01:25:55,158 --> 01:25:58,958 But what's your problem? Why is this on the thing? And you're like, Lucas, 2304 01:26:00,118 --> 01:26:02,838 a beggar and he's a loser. 2305 01:26:03,438 --> 01:26:05,078 I didn't say he's a loser. I just said, 2306 01:26:05,918 --> 01:26:07,638 you put a lot of stuff on the document. 2307 01:26:07,998 --> 01:26:11,598 Dude, I'm putting a screenshot of this. I didn't fucking say he's a loser. 2308 01:26:11,598 --> 01:26:12,158 Okay. 2309 01:26:12,158 --> 01:26:15,638 Okay. I was just, I was being hyperbolic. Okay. 2310 01:26:17,038 --> 01:26:17,358 What, 2311 01:26:17,358 --> 01:26:22,358 what am I problem with this is is that it also brings more to this cultural 2312 01:26:22,358 --> 01:26:24,718 aspect of it's okay to shame people. 2313 01:26:25,038 --> 01:26:28,438 And you have people like Matt Odell who go around companies and they go like, 2314 01:26:28,518 --> 01:26:30,518 you're not paying Bitcoin core development. 2315 01:26:30,878 --> 01:26:33,758 And I think they're missing the biggest point that they're missing is like, 2316 01:26:33,758 --> 01:26:36,478 dude, in order for Bitcoin core to, here's the thing right now, 2317 01:26:36,598 --> 01:26:37,478 I could say the big, 2318 01:26:37,478 --> 01:26:39,998 I could say the worst things in the world about blue dash Jr. 2319 01:26:40,318 --> 01:26:42,958 And GCC does not count about doesn't care about it. 2320 01:26:43,598 --> 01:26:47,558 You know what I'm trying to say? So the point is that I can compile the code. 2321 01:26:47,718 --> 01:26:51,398 So go fuck yourself. Okay. If you want, if you want to, 2322 01:26:51,398 --> 01:26:54,518 if you feel like this is wrong, then fucking give me, give me a binary. 2323 01:26:54,518 --> 01:26:58,798 And that's it. Okay. Just, that's just the binary. I mean, what, that's open source. 2324 01:27:00,678 --> 01:27:01,718 There is a, 2325 01:27:01,878 --> 01:27:04,838 there's a game theoretic thing because only getting the binaries, 2326 01:27:05,078 --> 01:27:07,798 this goes too far. So it becomes infeasible. 2327 01:27:08,558 --> 01:27:12,078 Dude. I understand. My point is that my point I'm trying to make is that stop 2328 01:27:12,078 --> 01:27:13,918 shaming people. The situation is tough. 2329 01:27:14,118 --> 01:27:16,478 The only thing you could do here is again start. 2330 01:27:16,518 --> 01:27:17,718 And I even wrote that in the tweet, 2331 01:27:17,918 --> 01:27:20,478 start creating some form of nodes. 2332 01:27:20,758 --> 01:27:23,918 And Luke said those are not nodes that have other things attached to it that you 2333 01:27:23,918 --> 01:27:25,758 can monetize. Okay. That's how you're going to do it. 2334 01:27:25,998 --> 01:27:28,438 You can still work on Bitcoin D and do something like samurai. 2335 01:27:28,678 --> 01:27:31,518 And then you're going to make money. And then, and then the thing is like, 2336 01:27:31,718 --> 01:27:34,438 you have a, if you were making money like that, you have a right, 2337 01:27:34,478 --> 01:27:37,078 you have control over it. And it's going to be better for them. 2338 01:27:37,238 --> 01:27:39,118 And it's going to bear for everyone. And then it matter though, 2339 01:27:39,118 --> 01:27:40,118 can I fucking go around? 2340 01:27:41,318 --> 01:27:45,518 If he has to like sell Luke S jr shirts or something. 2341 01:27:45,518 --> 01:27:48,318 Dude, listen, here's the thing right now with this whole fucking destruction. 2342 01:27:48,318 --> 01:27:52,358 Bullshit. All right. It's 2000 twin. Okay. If you're, 2343 01:27:52,358 --> 01:27:55,718 if you want to do anything that's successful today, you could be a guitar player. 2344 01:27:55,718 --> 01:27:58,558 You can be a carpenter, whatever you need to be a media company of yourself. 2345 01:27:58,558 --> 01:28:00,438 Like that's how the world works right now. Okay. 2346 01:28:00,638 --> 01:28:04,078 So you either hire someone to do that for you or learn that skill. If you don't, 2347 01:28:04,118 --> 01:28:07,598 sorry, get the fuck out of here. That's a minimum requirement today. Okay. 2348 01:28:07,798 --> 01:28:08,638 I'm sorry. 2349 01:28:08,638 --> 01:28:11,198 I hear what you're saying. I'm not necessarily convinced you're a hundred percent 2350 01:28:11,398 --> 01:28:13,438 correct, but I do think, you know, 2351 01:28:13,438 --> 01:28:17,078 it's like there was a time before the resume existed. 2352 01:28:17,758 --> 01:28:21,878 There was a time before, you know, there were like credentials. 2353 01:28:22,478 --> 01:28:26,518 And over time people got used to the idea that that was just a thing you had to 2354 01:28:26,518 --> 01:28:28,518 do. And it was part of being an adult. 2355 01:28:29,918 --> 01:28:33,958 And so I think you may be right that this may be the new 2356 01:28:35,638 --> 01:28:36,478 flavor of that. 2357 01:28:36,838 --> 01:28:41,558 I mean, look, I just feel like, like that, that means he's lacking in awareness. 2358 01:28:41,558 --> 01:28:45,438 Again, it's not enough to create the greatest guitar in the world. 2359 01:28:45,758 --> 01:28:49,518 Creating the guitar, biggest guitar in the world means literally making it and 2360 01:28:49,518 --> 01:28:51,718 getting it in the hands of people. That's a part of creating. 2361 01:28:51,838 --> 01:28:53,318 That's the whole thing is not enough just yet. 2362 01:28:53,518 --> 01:28:56,518 And he's right now saying something is wrong. If I would be in his shoes, 2363 01:28:56,518 --> 01:29:00,158 I would try to figure out how the fuck do you intensivize Bitcoin core development? 2364 01:29:00,278 --> 01:29:03,518 How do you make it native to that? How do you, I'm sure you've heard of it. 2365 01:29:03,518 --> 01:29:06,838 I don't know. Maybe I, I, I, again, I honestly think in a few years, 2366 01:29:06,838 --> 01:29:09,878 you're going to have some such models like this. So if I would be like him, 2367 01:29:09,878 --> 01:29:13,158 I would say, this is a problem. Let me use my big fucking brain to solve this. 2368 01:29:13,278 --> 01:29:15,678 But he's not going to do this because he's one of those people who thinks that 2369 01:29:15,878 --> 01:29:19,078 if you make money out of something, tense it. And that's fucking dumb, you know? 2370 01:29:20,638 --> 01:29:23,438 Well, I agree with you that there is a weird aversion to it, 2371 01:29:23,438 --> 01:29:26,558 but I understand some of it I think makes sense though. 2372 01:29:26,998 --> 01:29:29,518 For some reason in open source software, 2373 01:29:29,518 --> 01:29:33,638 I think, I think it's often a distraction, the money, you know, 2374 01:29:33,638 --> 01:29:36,358 if it includes a distraction, then I don't know what to tell you, 2375 01:29:36,358 --> 01:29:39,078 motherfucker. Why did this person get money and this person did not? 2376 01:29:40,518 --> 01:29:43,198 I think it kind of sets the thing in a weird direction. 2377 01:29:43,678 --> 01:29:47,038 Well, you know what? This is again, me being me, 2378 01:29:47,038 --> 01:29:51,398 but whenever in my life I saw someone do better than me in something, 2379 01:29:51,558 --> 01:29:55,238 I immediately presume is my fault because I was the one who made the decision. 2380 01:29:55,238 --> 01:29:56,558 I was the one who made the decision. 2381 01:29:57,158 --> 01:30:00,198 I immediately presume is my fault because I wasn't good enough. 2382 01:30:00,358 --> 01:30:02,398 And you're going to be like, no, no, no, this person, no, no. 2383 01:30:02,638 --> 01:30:04,678 If I would have been 10 times better than someone, 2384 01:30:05,038 --> 01:30:07,638 then there was no doubt that I would have won. It's very simple. 2385 01:30:07,758 --> 01:30:10,678 So that's how everyone should see it. I sound harsh. 2386 01:30:11,278 --> 01:30:13,438 It doesn't sound like a solution, but that's the reality. 2387 01:30:13,598 --> 01:30:16,718 If you're 10 times better than someone, then you'll never have this problem. 2388 01:30:16,798 --> 01:30:20,038 So work harder. And by the way, Luke is 10 times better than, again, 2389 01:30:20,118 --> 01:30:23,358 he's one of the 10 people who's not fungible that works on Bitcoin Core. 2390 01:30:23,678 --> 01:30:26,078 So if somehow they would get to the point to do this, 2391 01:30:26,358 --> 01:30:29,918 he's priced in he's again, he's, he's really smart. 2392 01:30:29,958 --> 01:30:34,438 You have to give it to him and he's very creative in his, in his own weird way. 2393 01:30:34,598 --> 01:30:39,358 He really is very novel. Yeah. So, so again, so clearly he's, he's smart. 2394 01:30:39,918 --> 01:30:42,958 And, and, and he, he's not, he's not communicating that properly to the, 2395 01:30:43,438 --> 01:30:46,038 that's the same as you. He's the Jasmine. Oh my God. 2396 01:30:46,118 --> 01:30:50,598 It's the same thing you have is the Jasmine syndrome. And, and, and again, 2397 01:30:50,758 --> 01:30:52,558 I'm not trying to shit on him. If it felt like that, 2398 01:30:52,598 --> 01:30:55,718 I'm just trying to point out what's happening here and bring a bit of clarity 2399 01:30:55,758 --> 01:30:59,438 on the situation. So, yeah, that's my problem with it. 2400 01:30:59,518 --> 01:31:01,878 So if Mattel, they would really want to fucking help these people, 2401 01:31:01,958 --> 01:31:03,438 he wouldn't make a fucking list and go like, 2402 01:31:03,558 --> 01:31:06,078 you know like when you go on a fucking street and all these people go like, 2403 01:31:06,158 --> 01:31:08,758 can you please donate? No, I don't want to fucking donate anything. 2404 01:31:08,758 --> 01:31:11,238 Get the fuck out of here. That's what they're doing with those fuckers. 2405 01:31:11,518 --> 01:31:13,038 If they would really want to solve a problem, 2406 01:31:13,038 --> 01:31:17,278 they would find a way to find somehow to create incentives there. 2407 01:31:17,438 --> 01:31:20,838 I don't know how I find a fucking way and make it native. 2408 01:31:21,038 --> 01:31:25,598 And somehow when I do something like when I use something of that money gets 2409 01:31:25,598 --> 01:31:27,558 them because then I'm not going to like, I've looked at, you know, 2410 01:31:27,558 --> 01:31:29,918 would say like if there would be her thing, 2411 01:31:30,038 --> 01:31:33,078 if there would be a better version of Bitcoin D somehow, 2412 01:31:33,118 --> 01:31:33,998 I don't know what better means. 2413 01:31:34,118 --> 01:31:37,078 Maybe it has a hash calculator that you thought something that I need. 2414 01:31:37,318 --> 01:31:40,038 And it's like 10 bucks for it. Dude, I'll pay 10 bucks for a month. 2415 01:31:40,438 --> 01:31:42,638 Like I'll pay even a hundred bucks. I, I, I run. 2416 01:31:42,638 --> 01:31:45,558 Do you really think so though? I can see if there was, if that was, 2417 01:31:46,118 --> 01:31:47,038 if that was online, 2418 01:31:48,758 --> 01:31:52,118 I could see people saying like their next Google search is going to be like, 2419 01:31:52,678 --> 01:31:55,798 you know, for the cracked version of that software. 2420 01:31:55,798 --> 01:31:57,838 Here's the problem right now. Here's what you don't understand. 2421 01:31:58,158 --> 01:32:00,878 There's some, it's the same thing with all the other softwares. 2422 01:32:01,038 --> 01:32:02,638 There's some people who will use that, 2423 01:32:02,638 --> 01:32:04,838 but there's some people like me who will value the, 2424 01:32:04,958 --> 01:32:06,958 do you understand? I'm not paying for the free thing. 2425 01:32:07,158 --> 01:32:10,518 I'm paying for that hash calculator or something that the other one doesn't have. 2426 01:32:10,758 --> 01:32:13,918 That's what I'm trying to say. And I, that's something that brings value to me. 2427 01:32:14,038 --> 01:32:15,958 So if they can't figure out something that I use, 2428 01:32:16,158 --> 01:32:17,558 then they're bad at product design. 2429 01:32:17,558 --> 01:32:19,798 Someone will try to steal the software. 2430 01:32:19,798 --> 01:32:21,958 That's what I'm saying. It has to have hash calculator. 2431 01:32:22,198 --> 01:32:23,038 You're right. 2432 01:32:23,118 --> 01:32:27,198 But there were people who did creative things around the way and they found a 2433 01:32:27,198 --> 01:32:30,478 way to incentivize and do this. Okay. There's a lot of open source. 2434 01:32:31,158 --> 01:32:33,878 So if you're not, if you're not willing to do that, then, then again, 2435 01:32:33,878 --> 01:32:37,038 you don't want it hard enough. That's how I see it. You're not willing to find. 2436 01:32:37,238 --> 01:32:38,278 So you're working on a thing. 2437 01:32:38,278 --> 01:32:40,478 You're not working hard enough to find a way to make money out of it. 2438 01:32:40,798 --> 01:32:43,438 And that's your problem, dude. You can tweet about it, 2439 01:32:43,598 --> 01:32:46,238 but I don't think you are looking at it in the most honest way. 2440 01:32:46,278 --> 01:32:47,758 I don't think he really wants the money. 2441 01:32:47,758 --> 01:32:48,598 The most honest way. 2442 01:32:48,678 --> 01:32:51,598 I don't think he really wants this problem to be solved because if you want it 2443 01:32:51,598 --> 01:32:54,118 to be solved, he would, he would not be like, this is a problem. 2444 01:32:54,118 --> 01:32:55,438 I'm just going to like read about it and look at you. 2445 01:32:55,518 --> 01:32:58,478 He would try to find a solution for it. When, like if, 2446 01:32:58,478 --> 01:33:02,398 if your hand hurts really bad, you're going to find at one point when you can't 2447 01:33:02,398 --> 01:33:05,318 take it, when you reach a five on the scale, you're going to be like, 2448 01:33:05,358 --> 01:33:08,638 I need to, I caught it up. I fucking do something. Motherfucker. 2449 01:33:08,838 --> 01:33:12,838 He's not at that point right now. Okay. This is not a big problem as it is. 2450 01:33:13,238 --> 01:33:16,558 I'm sorry, but, but what the fuck are we talking about here? You know, 2451 01:33:16,758 --> 01:33:19,758 I don't know. I have a totally different conception anyway, 2452 01:33:19,798 --> 01:33:24,558 which is that we should have sidechains and 2453 01:33:24,558 --> 01:33:29,078 then either sidechain should be responsible for their own success or failure. 2454 01:33:29,078 --> 01:33:30,518 So the developers on them, 2455 01:33:31,398 --> 01:33:35,998 but Bitcoin would never need to worry about devs monetizing or not 2456 01:33:35,998 --> 01:33:40,238 because all the development would just be complete or 2457 01:33:41,438 --> 01:33:43,118 you could just see, I don't understand what you mean. 2458 01:33:43,158 --> 01:33:44,998 I think you also hinted at this last time. Can you, 2459 01:33:45,078 --> 01:33:46,958 what do you mean by all development would be complete? 2460 01:33:46,958 --> 01:33:49,798 There's just has to be someone that writes the code for that. You know, 2461 01:33:50,558 --> 01:33:53,558 there's in, in Drivechain, 2462 01:33:53,558 --> 01:33:56,758 you don't need to make any code changes to add a new sidechain. 2463 01:33:58,518 --> 01:33:59,358 So the, 2464 01:33:59,678 --> 01:34:04,198 but there still has to be some code made somewhere, somehow. 2465 01:34:04,278 --> 01:34:05,518 Yeah. We're down the sidechain. 2466 01:34:05,518 --> 01:34:10,198 Software needs to go from being not existing at all to being creative. 2467 01:34:10,598 --> 01:34:11,838 Okay. But, but one second, right? 2468 01:34:11,838 --> 01:34:14,398 It still doesn't solve the problem because there's still the Bitcoin chain, 2469 01:34:14,798 --> 01:34:18,278 which needs to go on. So someone still has to do development for that one. 2470 01:34:18,398 --> 01:34:19,358 I'm talking about this one. 2471 01:34:20,198 --> 01:34:21,918 Why does the main chain need any more development? 2472 01:34:22,678 --> 01:34:27,078 Because I don't, I'm not, I didn't need any, I did say quit, uh, 2473 01:34:27,118 --> 01:34:30,758 being a software engineer. But as far as I know, 2474 01:34:30,958 --> 01:34:34,878 software needs constantly updating because things happen. 2475 01:34:35,118 --> 01:34:36,998 So you can't just be like, that's it. 2476 01:34:36,998 --> 01:34:38,518 We're not going to take out any more versions. 2477 01:34:39,198 --> 01:34:41,558 That's idiotic because the world changes and you, 2478 01:34:41,558 --> 01:34:44,518 and you just get better at things and there's always things could do better. 2479 01:34:45,318 --> 01:34:45,878 I'm sure. 2480 01:34:45,878 --> 01:34:48,278 But you wouldn't need it though. The point is there wouldn't need, 2481 01:34:48,918 --> 01:34:51,638 I don't think you would need to worry about, you could go. 2482 01:34:52,278 --> 01:34:57,198 It's many things actually, uh, do reach a final point of development. 2483 01:34:57,198 --> 01:34:58,438 I mean, I agree with you. There's no, 2484 01:34:58,918 --> 01:35:02,598 it's kind of silly because you can always improve software, 2485 01:35:02,998 --> 01:35:04,158 but you, 2486 01:35:04,198 --> 01:35:08,878 the point is you could live in a world where just the version of Bitcoin that 2487 01:35:08,878 --> 01:35:10,478 you had was just the last version. 2488 01:35:11,198 --> 01:35:14,478 So it was just this intro, this is this simple module, just like how, 2489 01:35:15,358 --> 01:35:17,158 at some point, whatever, there was like a, 2490 01:35:18,078 --> 01:35:20,438 there must be something where like Bluetooth version two, 2491 01:35:21,238 --> 01:35:25,918 obviously went on to different greater Bluetooth macro versions, 2492 01:35:25,918 --> 01:35:28,478 but there eventually, whatever that was, that was just, 2493 01:35:28,718 --> 01:35:32,678 or even something like, um, you know, about MIDI, right. You know, 2494 01:35:32,718 --> 01:35:33,718 at some point MIDI just. 2495 01:35:35,238 --> 01:35:38,758 Right. I see what you're trying to say. I guess I, okay. 2496 01:35:39,518 --> 01:35:40,918 I feel you in that perspective, 2497 01:35:40,998 --> 01:35:45,558 but I feel that a better comparison and this type of 2498 01:35:45,558 --> 01:35:48,358 protocol and the close thing we have to it is the internet. 2499 01:35:49,158 --> 01:35:50,198 You know what I'm trying to say? 2500 01:35:50,198 --> 01:35:54,278 Okay. Let me finish my point because it wasn't as though I, 2501 01:35:54,918 --> 01:35:57,038 I just thought maybe you didn't quite get it. 2502 01:35:57,038 --> 01:36:02,238 So the way I see it, the problem is people saying, okay, 2503 01:36:02,998 --> 01:36:05,638 um, there won't be enough develop. 2504 01:36:05,638 --> 01:36:08,558 We have to worry about whether or not there's enough BTC development. 2505 01:36:08,718 --> 01:36:12,598 We need the developers in order to make sure that BTC is a success. 2506 01:36:13,518 --> 01:36:16,118 So that's what I'm looking at. Okay. 2507 01:36:16,118 --> 01:36:20,878 And sidechain solve that because how could BTC possibly fail? 2508 01:36:20,878 --> 01:36:24,758 Either someone somewhere else does some development that you steal and put on a 2509 01:36:24,758 --> 01:36:27,838 sidechain or they don't. 2510 01:36:29,358 --> 01:36:31,998 So now you no longer need to initiate any development. 2511 01:36:32,318 --> 01:36:37,278 You don't need to compete because you always win and you steal or they don't do 2512 01:36:37,278 --> 01:36:38,718 it and you just win by default. 2513 01:36:39,038 --> 01:36:41,038 So let me repeat what you just suggested, just to make sure I understand. 2514 01:36:41,198 --> 01:36:42,038 So we're trying to say that, 2515 01:36:42,038 --> 01:36:45,678 that Bitcoin is like this in this state right now and there's going to be new 2516 01:36:45,678 --> 01:36:48,638 ideas, new ways of improving it in the space there. 2517 01:36:48,958 --> 01:36:50,958 And you say there's only two ways of going about it. 2518 01:36:51,198 --> 01:36:55,278 Either the idea is there and someone grabs it and puts it on Bitcoin or puts it 2519 01:36:55,278 --> 01:36:57,918 on something else or doesn't put it anywhere and dies, right? 2520 01:36:58,078 --> 01:36:58,918 That's what you're trying to say. 2521 01:36:58,918 --> 01:37:01,758 Altcoin or a sidechain or something. Yes. 2522 01:37:02,118 --> 01:37:06,758 So what I'm saying is, imagine that there was no development. 2523 01:37:06,878 --> 01:37:07,798 Why would that be bad? 2524 01:37:08,278 --> 01:37:13,278 Well, one reason could be is that something else is more innovative and people 2525 01:37:13,718 --> 01:37:15,318 switch to a different coin. 2526 01:37:16,518 --> 01:37:18,878 I wouldn't worry about that. I think that's impossible. 2527 01:37:19,998 --> 01:37:22,478 Really? You think it's impossible? I think it's unlikely. 2528 01:37:23,278 --> 01:37:24,118 Let me say that. 2529 01:37:24,118 --> 01:37:25,238 I don't think it's impossible at all. 2530 01:37:25,238 --> 01:37:28,518 Yeah. When I say impossible, that's what I also mean. Okay. I mean, it's hard. 2531 01:37:29,518 --> 01:37:31,958 I'm sorry. I don't know. I think in colloquial language, 2532 01:37:31,998 --> 01:37:34,758 when someone says impossible, you understand that they actually mean very 2533 01:37:34,758 --> 01:37:38,958 unlikely. You know why I think that's impossible? Because I said it again, 2534 01:37:38,958 --> 01:37:43,558 I'm sorry. You know why I think that's very unlikely? Because the biggest, 2535 01:37:47,438 --> 01:37:48,918 why? Just say it. 2536 01:37:49,198 --> 01:37:53,798 I'm sorry. Because the biggest, the biggest point was to, 2537 01:37:54,798 --> 01:37:58,678 in order to secure this position and people not to compete with BTC, 2538 01:37:58,918 --> 01:38:01,478 you just have to make sure it distributed evenly. 2539 01:38:01,598 --> 01:38:02,798 You may have to make sure you're the first. 2540 01:38:02,798 --> 01:38:07,278 But no, but the hard fork can take care of that. Oh, same distribution of coins. 2541 01:38:07,838 --> 01:38:10,918 No. Well, that's the thing. It will never, ever, 2542 01:38:10,918 --> 01:38:13,798 you can never from now on ever have a fair distribution of coins as you did in 2543 01:38:13,798 --> 01:38:14,638 the first time. 2544 01:38:14,638 --> 01:38:17,678 The hard fork can do that. You just say, look, 2545 01:38:17,718 --> 01:38:22,718 this is a new version of BTC has better developers and it will be forked in 2546 01:38:23,078 --> 01:38:23,918 three months. 2547 01:38:24,598 --> 01:38:28,038 Do you not understand that we'll have the exact same distribution of coins? 2548 01:38:29,798 --> 01:38:32,598 Yeah, but we're getting, we're getting, yeah, no, sorry. 2549 01:38:33,518 --> 01:38:37,998 And that is, you said that the distribution of coins was the most important 2550 01:38:37,998 --> 01:38:42,998 thing, but I didn't express my, I, I, I use that again against me. 2551 01:38:45,078 --> 01:38:47,518 You feel I did it in the chat until I grew up. Anyway. 2552 01:38:48,358 --> 01:38:51,358 Um, I didn't express my point correctly. 2553 01:38:51,998 --> 01:38:54,318 I don't think like the distribution of the coins needs to be, 2554 01:38:54,318 --> 01:38:56,878 I think you need to have an initial condition when there's nothing on the 2555 01:38:56,878 --> 01:39:01,038 planet and then you start out with a distribution because this already exists in 2556 01:39:01,038 --> 01:39:01,878 the world right now. 2557 01:39:01,958 --> 01:39:05,638 When whatever you're going to try to do is going to be referenced towards the 2558 01:39:05,638 --> 01:39:08,598 inception of Bitcoin. And I don't think that's just philosophical. 2559 01:39:08,718 --> 01:39:10,118 That's a philosophical difference. 2560 01:39:10,438 --> 01:39:14,318 I think it really has to do with the fairness and the way it played out. 2561 01:39:14,878 --> 01:39:17,158 What do you think about that? Does that make sense to you? 2562 01:39:17,518 --> 01:39:20,838 I think you are right, but I still think you're not explaining it. 2563 01:39:21,318 --> 01:39:23,878 I'm trying to figure out what your, what is going on in your brain. 2564 01:39:24,718 --> 01:39:26,358 I think there's something in there, but I don't, 2565 01:39:26,678 --> 01:39:28,678 I don't know what it is and I don't think that you said it at all. 2566 01:39:28,718 --> 01:39:30,758 When you just spoke, you said some both. 2567 01:39:31,038 --> 01:39:35,278 It's something about like when there needs to be nothing, everyone, 2568 01:39:35,918 --> 01:39:40,638 yeah, there's people will look at the new thing. 2569 01:39:41,998 --> 01:39:45,118 Well, can we talk more about, I mean, I know you hate talking about BCH, 2570 01:39:45,158 --> 01:39:45,998 but I'm going to talk about, 2571 01:39:47,358 --> 01:39:48,918 because it, 2572 01:39:49,158 --> 01:39:54,158 the central flaw was that it was not something new. 2573 01:39:54,358 --> 01:39:57,878 This was the main error of Bitcoin cash. In my view, 2574 01:39:58,158 --> 01:40:03,158 the sort of philosophical mistake was that it was pretending not to be something 2575 01:40:03,998 --> 01:40:06,878 new when it obviously was. And especially 2576 01:40:07,145 --> 01:40:22,145 that the time at which it split off, that was itself a time code that was typed in a source code, a BCH. So at this time, now start doing this. 2577 01:40:23,145 --> 01:40:24,145 Okay. 2578 01:40:24,145 --> 01:40:48,145 So in every sense, it was something new, but it pretended to be like the original Bitcoin and blah, blah, blah. So I agree with you that when people look at it, they say, but especially the problem is that people prefer the word Bitcoin to refer to the same thing yesterday as today, or the same thing today as yesterday. 2579 01:40:49,145 --> 01:41:11,145 So they wouldn't want to change. And so this was like this kind of kernel of this big problem that existed for BCH. And then the problem just got bigger and bigger as they tried to deal with it and all these other ways that didn't succeed in dealing with it. 2580 01:41:12,145 --> 01:41:35,145 But what I'm trying to say, so what you're saying is, it's not the case that the owners would be indifferent because they own equal amounts of both coins, because they would further like to say that they are also on the team of people who ignore hard forks on principle. Is that what you're saying? 2581 01:41:36,145 --> 01:41:52,145 Not that specifically. What I'm trying to say is that the only way you can pull out Bitcoin and make it successful, it has to be before everything else was there. That's what I'm trying to say. You can't redo that again. There's no way you can redo that. It's the same as immaculate conception. It was only done once. It was only baby Jesus, and that's it. 2582 01:41:54,145 --> 01:41:57,145 Before everything else was there. I don't know why that matters to you. 2583 01:41:57,145 --> 01:41:58,145 You know why I think it matters? 2584 01:41:58,145 --> 01:42:02,145 But I think there must be something because my brain is latching onto it and thinks it's interesting. 2585 01:42:02,145 --> 01:42:15,145 The reason why I think it matters is because there's so much, like right now, if we would start like, let's say we have some better algorithm. I don't know. Let's just say script is a better algorithm. 2586 01:42:16,145 --> 01:42:32,145 I think it's live by the fork, die by the fork. Like, where would it end? There's a potentially infinite number of improvements you could make. So since there's no way to coordinate where you would stop on that list, it's better to just stay on the first chain. 2587 01:42:32,145 --> 01:42:45,145 I mean, that's also valid. Yeah, that's a very good point. That probably makes more sense. But in my head, it's more like the only way to make Bitcoin successful is no one needs to know Bitcoin exists and you put out there in the world. 2588 01:42:45,145 --> 01:42:56,145 But now people already know what, like, there's no way you can, even if you have something better right now, even if somehow mathematically eight minutes blocks would be better, like literally there's a mathematical format that tells us that's true. 2589 01:42:56,145 --> 01:43:10,145 If you would do it right now, it still wouldn't work out. It still wouldn't be better because it needed to be the first one that no one ever saw. That's why it was successful. That's why it was fair. That's why it was done like this. You know, it was the original thing. It wasn't in reference. 2590 01:43:11,145 --> 01:43:31,145 So for you, the presence of Bitcoin in people's minds is important. And I agree. And there is definitely a sense in which you have to sort Bitcoin to the top of the list of all possible investments in not only cryptocurrency, but money. 2591 01:43:32,145 --> 01:43:33,145 Yeah. 2592 01:43:33,145 --> 01:43:41,145 So Bitcoin has to be sorted to the top. And it's easier to do that if the list is blank. But it's not impossible for some new thing to do that. 2593 01:43:41,145 --> 01:43:55,145 I mean, the thing could be the list, but I don't think, again, out of all the values that are proposed and there's some intuition to that. Like, why do you want this Bitcoin thing? Again, I think it's a certain amount of fairness that was never achieved ever, ever, ever, ever. 2594 01:43:56,145 --> 01:44:14,145 And I don't think you can do that again. I just don't see how you could do it again. Monero is fairly similar to Bitcoin, fairly similar. And it would be a good example of what we're talking about. But if Monero would have been developed first and Bitcoin afterwards, I think still Monero would have been the one, this one would have been the second one. 2595 01:44:15,145 --> 01:44:35,145 I agree with that. But don't you think it's irrelevant? The fact that the hard fork makes all the owners indifferent. They have the same amount of each coin. So it's not as though they're being treated unfairly at all. They're being treated exactly the same way they were before. No one is like... 2596 01:44:36,145 --> 01:45:01,145 You know how I feel this is equivalent? It's like, you know, imagine you have a girl, that's your girlfriend, and you have a twin. Oh my God, I'm so happy. And she has a twin sister, right? And like in a porno movie, she comes here and you fuck her twin sister. And then you realize, but let's say you're madly in love with her, right? And then you fuck this twin sister, which again, it's identical. She even has the same wrinkles on her pussy. That's how identical they are, right? 2597 01:45:02,145 --> 01:45:25,145 And then you're going to be like, but it's the same. But it's not. It's just they're identical biologically. But there is something else here because when they both started, there was this divergence in them, right? Kind of like that. That's kind of how I feel about it. And only Bitcoin started from here. So everything else started from here somewhere, right? Bitcoin was from first. 2598 01:45:26,145 --> 01:45:41,145 That didn't make any sense to me at all. I mean, you know that in a fork, it's the same person who splits into, you know, in advance, later they'll split in two. They will have been the same person until the fork. 2599 01:45:42,145 --> 01:45:50,145 Yeah, but in this analogy, for me, considering it's not, I don't consider to start a biological point when the cell divides. I consider when they come out of the pussy. 2600 01:45:50,145 --> 01:46:07,145 Okay, I think what you're saying is that the software needs to be sort of stress tested by experience. And that is something that is true of the original software, but not of the new software. 2601 01:46:08,145 --> 01:46:10,145 I mean, that's also true. Clearly, it's just 2602 01:46:10,145 --> 01:46:13,145 What are you saying? I'm trying to just figure out what you're trying to say. 2603 01:46:13,145 --> 01:46:34,145 I'm just trying to say that there's some merit and it's not just like, again, a philosophical merit to being first. And forever right now, everything you're going to create any currency, it's always going to be related towards Bitcoin. It's referenced towards Bitcoin. Bitcoin was created, there was nothing on the planet. So that's why Bitcoin is Bitcoin. That's what I'm trying to say. 2604 01:46:35,145 --> 01:46:51,145 It's not a specific parameters that Satoshi picked, like 10 minutes block time, this specific shot, those type of signature. No, no, no. Those are all relevant, then it would have been different. But you could have tweaked all those ones, and it would have still be the same result. But just because it was first, that's the only way, that's why it's successful. 2605 01:46:51,145 --> 01:47:00,145 Yeah, well, I think that that's because of that coordination thing I mentioned already. That there could be infinite, which is now called live by the fork, die by the fork. 2606 01:47:00,145 --> 01:47:02,145 Yeah, I don't know. 2607 01:47:02,145 --> 01:47:13,145 You lose all the loyal people, people chasing a shiny new object, and then they, those people fork again. We've already seen this, it's already happened, BCH, BSV, Omri's fork. 2608 01:47:14,145 --> 01:47:39,145 It's a very weird thing, and that's why people see it, the hard fork, at least see it. It's really like, a hard fork is like you live in London, and you walk on the street, and then someone sends you somewhere like in Romania, but you don't know Romanian. That's what a hard fork is to me. And you're saying, it's the same people, it's not actually, you know what I'm trying to say? 2609 01:47:39,145 --> 01:47:41,145 No, not at all. It's ridiculous. 2610 01:47:41,145 --> 01:47:44,145 Okay, that's the craziest analogy ever. Okay, next thing. 2611 01:47:44,145 --> 01:47:52,145 Jesus fucking Christ. What else do we have here? Oh, no, there's the one with the Forbes, that's a nice one. 2612 01:47:52,145 --> 01:47:55,145 Which one is that? 2613 01:47:55,145 --> 01:47:58,145 Number 11. 2614 01:47:58,145 --> 01:48:07,145 Oh, yeah. Oh, no. I don't know, what can we say about it? There are some good ones. 2615 01:48:08,145 --> 01:48:30,145 So there's the Forbes under 30, class of 2021, and it says here, 40% women, 49% people of color, 100% the broadest young leaders in the US and Canada. By the way, Paul, I still have a few days until I could make it in the Forbes under 30. I'm not 30 yet, just letting you know. 2616 01:48:30,145 --> 01:48:31,145 You're not 30 yet? 2617 01:48:31,145 --> 01:48:32,145 No, I'm not. 2618 01:48:32,145 --> 01:48:33,145 Oh, you're 29? 2619 01:48:33,145 --> 01:48:36,145 Yeah, so I still have a bit. 2620 01:48:36,145 --> 01:48:37,145 Still do it. 2621 01:48:37,145 --> 01:48:40,145 Yeah, maybe we should write a new mission in this podcast. 2622 01:48:40,145 --> 01:48:44,145 Yeah, send it in and say, clearly, there's been some kind of mistake. 2623 01:48:44,145 --> 01:48:45,145 Anyway. 2624 01:48:45,145 --> 01:48:46,145 Alex is on the list. 2625 01:48:46,145 --> 01:48:59,145 So in this Forbes list here, there's like a few Bitcoin people. There's Jack Mallers, right? And there's also a woman from BlockFi, who I've never fucking heard of before. But she's a founder apparently, right? 2626 01:48:59,145 --> 01:49:00,145 Yeah. 2627 01:49:00,145 --> 01:49:16,145 I think that's interesting. And oh, the site isn't loading up anymore now. But I just think it's crazy that they go like, 40% women, 49% people of color. I mean, the distribution of reality, like the facts of like human behavior. 2628 01:49:16,145 --> 01:49:28,145 I don't know what to say. You know, I don't know what to say about it. Can you imagine if they did it differently? If they were like, the exact same facts, but it was like, 53% men or something? 2629 01:49:28,145 --> 01:49:35,145 Imagine if you change men with women and people of color with white people, you just become racist. That's how nuts the world is today. 2630 01:49:35,145 --> 01:49:37,145 That'd be pretty funny. 2631 01:49:37,145 --> 01:49:40,145 That's how nuts, that's how nuts that is. 2632 01:49:40,145 --> 01:49:44,145 I think it's kind of harmless. I think it is stupid though. 2633 01:49:44,145 --> 01:49:46,145 You know what, if I would be a woman. 2634 01:49:46,145 --> 01:49:47,145 It's explicitly racist. 2635 01:49:47,145 --> 01:49:58,145 Let me tell you, if I would be a man of color, right? And maybe I have some color heritage, but not enough to claim that. But if I would be, and you put me on the list, I'd say like, go fuck your mother. 2636 01:49:58,145 --> 01:50:10,145 Yeah, because you've only been on the list because of, yeah, that's what I was saying before about the whatever thing, the board, the SEC, NASDAQ thing. 2637 01:50:10,145 --> 01:50:11,145 Yeah. 2638 01:50:11,145 --> 01:50:13,145 So yeah, I agree. 2639 01:50:13,145 --> 01:50:21,145 So I don't know, I don't know what's wrong with this people. And I'm just, I'm just curious, like, who the fuck sits there and does those things? And how the fuck they think this is? 2640 01:50:21,145 --> 01:50:30,145 Do you understand there's probably a team of at least 1000 people, Forbes is a big magazine, that they're actually going around passing papers, Karen, we got this person. 2641 01:50:30,145 --> 01:50:38,145 And they're literally staying there and they're trying to make sure, crunch the numbers that they're the correct amount of women. And then they think that's okay. 2642 01:50:38,145 --> 01:50:42,145 Do you understand how nutty that is? Do you understand how crazy these people are? 2643 01:50:42,145 --> 01:50:44,145 Do I understand these people literally are from a different planet? 2644 01:50:44,145 --> 01:50:57,145 I don't know, it's like, this is the list and they want people to gossip about it and feel insecure about the fact that they're not on the list. And so that's just the game of Forbes. 2645 01:50:57,145 --> 01:51:00,145 It's just not loading up for me. I would really want to go for the list right now. 2646 01:51:00,145 --> 01:51:02,145 Why? Who cares? 2647 01:51:02,145 --> 01:51:09,145 Let's make fun, I wouldn't want to make fun of these fucking people. I want to go and make fun of each one of them. 2648 01:51:09,145 --> 01:51:16,145 What do you mean? What was the point of having this tweet up and I got to fucking talk shit about these people? Dude, is it loading up to you? I swear to God. 2649 01:51:16,145 --> 01:51:21,145 I already loaded everything before to be prepared. Like I said, I would. 2650 01:51:21,145 --> 01:51:24,145 Wow. Good for you, buddy. Good for you. 2651 01:51:24,145 --> 01:51:27,145 But I don't actually care enough to. 2652 01:51:27,145 --> 01:51:29,145 Why? 2653 01:51:29,145 --> 01:51:32,145 I'm so bored. When's this episode over? 2654 01:51:32,145 --> 01:51:36,145 Let's just skip. Oh, Luke Dashjr. teaches Paul about hashes. 2655 01:51:36,145 --> 01:51:38,145 Wait, are you bored because it didn't make it on the list? 2656 01:51:39,145 --> 01:51:48,145 Imagine this. Number seven. Nice prime number. Paul Sports. 2657 01:51:48,145 --> 01:51:56,145 I think I would also hate it. I don't know why I would be baffled because I would say like I don't do any promotion at all. 2658 01:51:56,145 --> 01:52:02,145 So I would say like who at Forbes even found this? 2659 01:52:02,145 --> 01:52:06,145 No, but imagine they go like for his incredible theoretical work. 2660 01:52:06,145 --> 01:52:10,145 I was going to say theoretical. Exactly right. Because it's not like it's not like finished. 2661 01:52:10,145 --> 01:52:15,145 So I have a question for you. If you would get a Nobel Peace Prize, how would it make you feel? Would you take it? Would you go and take it or not? 2662 01:52:15,145 --> 01:52:20,145 Oh, I would want the one. I would want the economics one, not the Peace Prize, but I would certainly take it. 2663 01:52:20,145 --> 01:52:28,145 Wow. OK. And I would use this to advocate. I would use the speech to advocate for conditional prediction markets. 2664 01:52:28,145 --> 01:52:33,145 You could talk about this before. Wait, didn't you tell me you helped someone win a Nobel Peace Prize? 2665 01:52:33,145 --> 01:52:40,145 Actually, no, no, no. The econ. No. And I was at Yale. My boss won the econ one a few years later. 2666 01:52:40,145 --> 01:52:45,145 OK, OK. Did you have anything to do with it? Well, I, you know, I don't probably not. 2667 01:52:45,145 --> 01:52:49,145 But you never know because we were working on the same stuff for what you want. 2668 01:52:49,145 --> 01:52:54,145 So why did he want to press for? He worked in environmental economics. 2669 01:52:54,145 --> 01:52:57,145 Look, explain a bit what I don't know. I don't have any context. 2670 01:52:57,145 --> 01:53:04,145 He has a lot of stuff. It was modeling the economy and trying to figure out. 2671 01:53:04,145 --> 01:53:11,145 Well, there's a lot about climate change, like would how much damage would be caused as a result and how would people react to it? 2672 01:53:11,145 --> 01:53:15,145 But so does he think climate change is real? Does he think is real? 2673 01:53:15,145 --> 01:53:18,145 Yes, he does. And you think it's caused by humans and everything? 2674 01:53:18,145 --> 01:53:24,145 I think CO2 contributes to increasing global average surface temperatures. 2675 01:53:24,145 --> 01:53:31,145 All right. But you contribute to a lot of things, some things like some countries like Russia actually benefit from global warming. 2676 01:53:31,145 --> 01:53:36,145 Yeah, but the thing is that other countries like go underwater and are destroyed. 2677 01:53:36,145 --> 01:53:40,145 But to a bigger planetary scale and a time scale of like since when the planet exists or whatever. 2678 01:53:40,145 --> 01:53:47,145 Do you think that's like problematic or is it just like we're looking at it right now and we're freaking out? 2679 01:53:47,145 --> 01:53:51,145 Well, first of all, have you looked at the graph of CO2 concentration? 2680 01:53:51,145 --> 01:53:52,145 No, I have not. 2681 01:53:52,145 --> 01:54:03,145 It's like you can go back like five billion years and it's like and it's like goes chaotically for like a million years and then like billion years. 2682 01:54:03,145 --> 01:54:08,145 Excuse me. Big difference between a million years and a billion years. 2683 01:54:09,145 --> 01:54:14,145 And it's like going, going. And then it's like sort of normal for a couple more billion years. 2684 01:54:14,145 --> 01:54:20,145 And then it's like human era and it's just like the highest level ever recorded. 2685 01:54:20,145 --> 01:54:23,145 So I think that's certainly a big risk. I don't know why. 2686 01:54:23,145 --> 01:54:27,145 So pretty much your boss was Greta Thunberg. That's what she was trying to tell me. 2687 01:54:27,145 --> 01:54:28,145 Was Greta what? 2688 01:54:28,145 --> 01:54:30,145 Was Greta Thunberg. That was your boss. 2689 01:54:31,145 --> 01:54:37,145 Yeah, I think it's perhaps Thunberg. I don't know. I don't know. I can't guarantee that, though. 2690 01:54:37,145 --> 01:54:42,145 I don't really know. Anyway, so you thought of that. 2691 01:54:42,145 --> 01:54:53,145 Actually, the funny thing is they he won the award and then they had him give a speech and his speech was something like free market solutions are the only sustainable way to fix the climate problem. 2692 01:54:53,145 --> 01:55:02,145 And it was just like stunned silence like the room because everyone wants there to be like crazy new world order. 2693 01:55:02,145 --> 01:55:04,145 Were you happy when you said that? 2694 01:55:04,145 --> 01:55:05,145 It was really funny. 2695 01:55:05,145 --> 01:55:09,145 Were you working back then on your market stuff back then or were you just like not? 2696 01:55:09,145 --> 01:55:14,145 I was already working on my market stuff. I don't know. Your timeline is making me confused. 2697 01:55:14,145 --> 01:55:18,145 But we won it a little bit after I stopped working there. 2698 01:55:19,145 --> 01:55:23,145 So you thought probably a lot of time about winning a Nobel Peace Prize. 2699 01:55:23,145 --> 01:55:25,145 I don't want to win a Nobel Peace. 2700 01:55:25,145 --> 01:55:27,145 Why not? Why wouldn't you want to? 2701 01:55:27,145 --> 01:55:32,145 Do you understand the difference between the Peace Prize and the prize for like literature and chemistry? 2702 01:55:32,145 --> 01:55:37,145 I know. I know. I'm an idiot. So what you thought about winning? 2703 01:55:37,145 --> 01:55:42,145 The people who won the Peace Prize are crazy. Like Henry Kissinger has won. Barack Obama has won. 2704 01:55:42,145 --> 01:55:45,145 And he said like he's admitted like that he doesn't know why he won. 2705 01:55:46,145 --> 01:55:47,145 Listen, I'm curious. 2706 01:55:47,145 --> 01:55:49,145 The Peace Prize is like a nutty prize. 2707 01:55:49,145 --> 01:55:54,145 So if you would win, if you would win the one in economics, you thought about this a few times. 2708 01:55:54,145 --> 01:55:56,145 It crossed your mind more than once. 2709 01:55:56,145 --> 01:55:58,145 Yeah, it has. Yes. 2710 01:55:58,145 --> 01:56:03,145 Do you think you would deserve it for the work you did so far? 2711 01:56:03,145 --> 01:56:10,145 I've already published one or two things that I kind of think are somewhere on Bitcoin. 2712 01:56:10,145 --> 01:56:12,145 It's on the front page. 2713 01:56:12,145 --> 01:56:16,145 It's mostly other people's ideas combined into. 2714 01:56:16,145 --> 01:56:25,145 Do you think the work done on Hivemind, let's say, do you think it's worthy of a Nobel Prize? 2715 01:56:25,145 --> 01:56:28,145 I think it could become something that could win. 2716 01:56:28,145 --> 01:56:30,145 But I don't know. 2717 01:56:30,145 --> 01:56:35,145 The way that it's done is people who have won in the past meet and decide. 2718 01:56:35,145 --> 01:56:38,145 So they will pick people who are like them. 2719 01:56:38,145 --> 01:56:41,145 People who have published in journals and things. 2720 01:56:41,145 --> 01:56:43,145 Do you know who Richard Feynman is? 2721 01:56:43,145 --> 01:56:45,145 Not necessarily the doers. 2722 01:56:45,145 --> 01:56:47,145 Do you know who Richard Feynman is? 2723 01:56:47,145 --> 01:56:49,145 Of course I know who Richard Feynman is. 2724 01:56:49,145 --> 01:56:52,145 Do you know he didn't do the fucking prize because he was like, fuck you, motherfuckers. 2725 01:56:52,145 --> 01:56:54,145 I'm not going to like play this. 2726 01:56:54,145 --> 01:56:56,145 I'm not going for a participation trophy. 2727 01:56:56,145 --> 01:56:59,145 Did he win the prize in physics and then not accept it? 2728 01:56:59,145 --> 01:57:01,145 Yeah, he was like, that's bullshit. 2729 01:57:01,145 --> 01:57:02,145 He's like, that's bullshit. 2730 01:57:02,145 --> 01:57:03,145 The work should be your reward. 2731 01:57:03,145 --> 01:57:05,145 He certainly deserved it. 2732 01:57:05,145 --> 01:57:07,145 He did an awful lot. 2733 01:57:07,145 --> 01:57:08,145 So one second. 2734 01:57:08,145 --> 01:57:10,145 Do you understand what he did? 2735 01:57:10,145 --> 01:57:12,145 Are you familiar with his work in physics? 2736 01:57:12,145 --> 01:57:17,145 I think he would have won it for the Feynman diagrams. 2737 01:57:17,145 --> 01:57:19,145 Can you explain what that means? 2738 01:57:19,145 --> 01:57:22,145 I don't know. 2739 01:57:22,145 --> 01:57:23,145 I think that's what he won it for. 2740 01:57:23,145 --> 01:57:24,145 I'm not sure. 2741 01:57:24,145 --> 01:57:27,145 This is extremely dangerous, my friend. 2742 01:57:27,145 --> 01:57:28,145 You're asking me. 2743 01:57:28,145 --> 01:57:30,145 This is a highly advanced physics concept. 2744 01:57:30,145 --> 01:57:31,145 And I don't know. 2745 01:57:31,145 --> 01:57:33,145 I'm not a physicist. 2746 01:57:33,145 --> 01:57:36,145 So I don't know how badly this is going to be mangled. 2747 01:57:37,145 --> 01:57:41,145 Dude, who the fuck do you think that listens to us more and knows about physics than you? 2748 01:57:41,145 --> 01:57:42,145 Are you fucking crazy? 2749 01:57:42,145 --> 01:57:46,145 It's not really appropriate to talk about things that you don't know about, my friend. 2750 01:57:46,145 --> 01:57:47,145 I'm sorry that you... 2751 01:57:47,145 --> 01:57:50,145 What do you think I've been talking about things that I don't know about this whole time? 2752 01:57:50,145 --> 01:57:54,145 I know actually something about some of the things that we've talked about one or two times. 2753 01:57:54,145 --> 01:57:57,145 How come you're saying so much stupid shit every time? 2754 01:57:57,145 --> 01:58:04,145 I know that it's funny when the Venezuelan government, military, steals people's mining equipment and starts mining Bitcoin. 2755 01:58:04,145 --> 01:58:11,145 I think that's a lot funnier than what people on CNBC think that Bitcoin is about, which is like some silly little game. 2756 01:58:11,145 --> 01:58:12,145 They don't understand. 2757 01:58:12,145 --> 01:58:13,145 I think that's hilarious. 2758 01:58:13,145 --> 01:58:15,145 Anyway, so you don't want to explain... 2759 01:58:15,145 --> 01:58:16,145 I'm going to give it a try. 2760 01:58:16,145 --> 01:58:17,145 Okay. 2761 01:58:17,145 --> 01:58:22,145 There was this shift at the time to quantum theory. 2762 01:58:22,145 --> 01:58:25,145 Einstein came out with general relativity. 2763 01:58:25,145 --> 01:58:34,145 Just describing giant objects like black holes and things, spaceships that would travel near the speed of light. 2764 01:58:34,145 --> 01:58:41,145 And then there was a study of this quantum thing, these tiny, tiny, tiny things that existed in discrete units called quanta. 2765 01:58:41,145 --> 01:58:43,145 What does discrete mean in this context? 2766 01:58:43,145 --> 01:58:45,145 Discrete means it's not continuous. 2767 01:58:45,145 --> 01:58:47,145 So it's not as though when you... 2768 01:58:47,145 --> 01:58:51,145 Like if you had a light bulb with a dimmer switch, it's not... 2769 01:58:51,145 --> 01:58:54,145 You can imagine that it could always make it half as bright forever. 2770 01:58:54,145 --> 01:58:56,145 Half, half, half, half, half. 2771 01:58:56,145 --> 01:59:01,145 You could just keep going it, cutting it in half for an infinite number of times. 2772 01:59:01,145 --> 01:59:10,145 But what physicists have discovered is that eventually you'll have it to two and then you'll have it to one photon and then you'll have it and it will just be completely off. 2773 01:59:10,145 --> 01:59:11,145 Right. 2774 01:59:11,145 --> 01:59:14,145 So there are these just discrete blocks called quanta. 2775 01:59:14,145 --> 01:59:15,145 Okay. 2776 01:59:15,145 --> 01:59:18,145 Which is the origin of the whole field. 2777 01:59:19,145 --> 01:59:30,145 So I don't know exactly how this came about, but there were these interactions that were very difficult to explain between these tiny objects. 2778 01:59:30,145 --> 01:59:34,145 And since Richard Feynman was a genius, he was not constrained... 2779 01:59:34,145 --> 01:59:35,145 He made a swindly line and explained it pretty much. 2780 01:59:35,145 --> 01:59:36,145 Exactly. 2781 01:59:36,145 --> 01:59:44,145 He wasn't constrained by what looked like professional or what looked... 2782 01:59:44,145 --> 01:59:45,145 Sciency. 2783 01:59:46,145 --> 01:59:47,145 Exactly. 2784 01:59:47,145 --> 01:59:50,145 So he just wrote out like the way he saw it. 2785 01:59:50,145 --> 01:59:56,145 And it turned out to be like kind of like the only practical way of explaining it or whatever. 2786 01:59:56,145 --> 01:59:59,145 So that is what that is. 2787 01:59:59,145 --> 02:00:04,145 God help me the hate mail I get from anyone who actually... 2788 02:00:04,145 --> 02:00:05,145 I doubt. 2789 02:00:05,145 --> 02:00:11,145 I honestly doubt there's people who really study physics and will listen to this fucking podcast. 2790 02:00:11,145 --> 02:00:12,145 I doubt that. 2791 02:00:12,145 --> 02:00:13,145 I really doubt. 2792 02:00:13,145 --> 02:00:16,145 Well, then it won't be successful the way you wanted it to be. 2793 02:00:16,145 --> 02:00:20,145 Because there's just X number of people who study physics somewhere in the world. 2794 02:00:20,145 --> 02:00:22,145 Yeah, but also who understand... 2795 02:00:22,145 --> 02:00:23,145 Well, I study fucking physics. 2796 02:00:23,145 --> 02:00:24,145 It doesn't mean I fucking... 2797 02:00:24,145 --> 02:00:26,145 I know the first law of thermodynamics. 2798 02:00:26,145 --> 02:00:28,145 It doesn't mean I fucking know Feynman diagrams. 2799 02:00:28,145 --> 02:00:30,145 Of course, I'm talking about who would understand... 2800 02:00:30,145 --> 02:00:34,145 Know them enough to just say what they are on a podcast in like a couple sentences. 2801 02:00:34,145 --> 02:00:37,145 That's where my knowledge ends on everything pretty much. 2802 02:00:37,145 --> 02:00:39,145 I only know how to name things. 2803 02:00:40,145 --> 02:00:45,145 If someone never heard of them, I can make myself sound like I'm smart. 2804 02:00:45,145 --> 02:00:49,145 Actually, I didn't know that he won the Nobel Prize and refused it. 2805 02:00:49,145 --> 02:00:53,145 Yeah, there's even a video of him saying... 2806 02:00:53,145 --> 02:00:55,145 He doesn't state it like that. 2807 02:00:55,145 --> 02:00:58,145 He says that the reward comes from the fight at the final. 2808 02:00:58,145 --> 02:01:00,145 But you see, this is a paradox. 2809 02:01:00,145 --> 02:01:08,145 So I understand exactly what he means, but the layperson doesn't know the difference between like Craig S. Wright and Richard Feynman. 2810 02:01:08,145 --> 02:01:10,145 Do you know what I mean? 2811 02:01:10,145 --> 02:01:12,145 The layperson just thinks, oh, that's a really smart... 2812 02:01:12,145 --> 02:01:14,145 Or Vitalik Buterin or whatever. 2813 02:01:14,145 --> 02:01:16,145 Well, here's the thing right now. 2814 02:01:16,145 --> 02:01:17,145 If we would be in front of two people... 2815 02:01:17,145 --> 02:01:18,145 I'm willing to take this bet for you. 2816 02:01:18,145 --> 02:01:20,145 I'll bet a hundred bucks. 2817 02:01:20,145 --> 02:01:21,145 And we're in front of... 2818 02:01:21,145 --> 02:01:22,145 I think... 2819 02:01:22,145 --> 02:01:23,145 And we start being ourselves. 2820 02:01:23,145 --> 02:01:26,145 I think I'm better at convincing people I'm smarter than you. 2821 02:01:26,145 --> 02:01:27,145 And we both know that's not true, right? 2822 02:01:27,145 --> 02:01:28,145 We both know. 2823 02:01:28,145 --> 02:01:29,145 So... 2824 02:01:29,145 --> 02:01:32,145 But this is the point. 2825 02:01:32,145 --> 02:01:33,145 It's just that it becomes hard. 2826 02:01:33,145 --> 02:01:35,145 If there's like a bell curve, it's just... 2827 02:01:35,145 --> 02:01:37,145 People become more average. 2828 02:01:37,145 --> 02:01:41,145 It becomes harder for them to tell who are the geniuses and who are the cranks. 2829 02:01:41,145 --> 02:01:44,145 No, but for them, it's just a low-resolution picture. 2830 02:01:44,145 --> 02:01:45,145 And they just see it everywhere. 2831 02:01:45,145 --> 02:01:50,145 This is the beauty of formal awards and credentials. 2832 02:01:50,145 --> 02:01:58,145 You have a lot of smart people decide amongst themselves who is at least not a complete fraud. 2833 02:01:58,145 --> 02:01:59,145 Now, here's the thing. 2834 02:01:59,145 --> 02:02:02,145 Again, before 1990... 2835 02:02:02,145 --> 02:02:04,145 Then the layperson can say, oh, they won the Nobel Prize. 2836 02:02:04,145 --> 02:02:06,145 They must be a genius or whatever. 2837 02:02:06,145 --> 02:02:07,145 I won't be completely wrong. 2838 02:02:07,145 --> 02:02:10,145 Before the 1990s, dude, that made a lot of sense. 2839 02:02:10,145 --> 02:02:12,145 Because what else was there? 2840 02:02:12,145 --> 02:02:14,145 But, dude, you have Twitter right now. 2841 02:02:14,145 --> 02:02:17,145 Like, again, if you're a genius and people know you're a genius... 2842 02:02:17,145 --> 02:02:18,145 This is so funny. 2843 02:02:18,145 --> 02:02:22,145 Yeah, you can be like some guy who won a Nobel, like Paul Krugman. 2844 02:02:22,145 --> 02:02:25,145 And then people can just be on Twitter saying, this guy fucking sucks. 2845 02:02:25,145 --> 02:02:30,145 No, but my point is that the archetype in being a genius is like being like Feynman. 2846 02:02:30,145 --> 02:02:32,145 Like Feynman was a genius. 2847 02:02:32,145 --> 02:02:36,145 And he still found a way to also like relate it in... 2848 02:02:36,145 --> 02:02:37,145 I don't know. 2849 02:02:37,145 --> 02:02:38,145 The thing is, like, you can see... 2850 02:02:38,145 --> 02:02:42,145 If you see Feynman talk for 10 minutes, you're like, oh, my God, you know? 2851 02:02:42,145 --> 02:02:44,145 So that's what should aspire to if you're a genius. 2852 02:02:44,145 --> 02:02:45,145 Yeah, but you don't actually know. 2853 02:02:45,145 --> 02:02:46,145 But neither of us... 2854 02:02:46,145 --> 02:02:49,145 You're just proving my point, though, because neither of us are specialists in physics. 2855 02:02:49,145 --> 02:02:54,145 So we don't actually know if Feynman is like... 2856 02:02:54,145 --> 02:02:57,145 Where does he rank among the top 30 physicists of all time? 2857 02:02:57,145 --> 02:03:00,145 We think confidently that he would be near the top. 2858 02:03:00,145 --> 02:03:01,145 But maybe we could be wrong. 2859 02:03:01,145 --> 02:03:06,145 Maybe once you study physics for 10 years, you're like, oh, I see why everyone likes Feynman. 2860 02:03:06,145 --> 02:03:07,145 But actually... 2861 02:03:07,145 --> 02:03:11,145 So you think Feynman is like the Dunhill of physics or something? 2862 02:03:11,145 --> 02:03:12,145 Oh, my God. 2863 02:03:12,145 --> 02:03:14,145 That would be a horrifying thought. 2864 02:03:14,145 --> 02:03:15,145 Don't even say that. 2865 02:03:15,145 --> 02:03:16,145 Wouldn't it be crazy? 2866 02:03:16,145 --> 02:03:17,145 Don't you think? 2867 02:03:17,145 --> 02:03:18,145 Like, there's some hardcore... 2868 02:03:18,145 --> 02:03:21,145 Imagine if there's like the Luke Dashjr. of physics or something like that. 2869 02:03:21,145 --> 02:03:22,145 Luke Dashjr. of physics. 2870 02:03:22,145 --> 02:03:26,145 He's like a reclusive weirdo Catholic with like 40 children. 2871 02:03:26,145 --> 02:03:32,145 And Feynman is just like, you know, the guy who like talks to everyone, explains things easy and dumbs it down. 2872 02:03:32,145 --> 02:03:35,145 And he talks about particles in this weird like human way. 2873 02:03:35,145 --> 02:03:37,145 Yeah, he does a squiggle. 2874 02:03:39,145 --> 02:03:40,145 It's horrible. 2875 02:03:40,145 --> 02:03:42,145 That's the name of the episode. 2876 02:03:42,145 --> 02:03:44,145 Dunhill of physics. 2877 02:03:44,145 --> 02:03:46,145 Richard Feynman is a Dunhill of physics. 2878 02:03:46,145 --> 02:03:48,145 Squiggly lines. 2879 02:03:48,145 --> 02:03:50,145 Squiggly lines is good. 2880 02:03:50,145 --> 02:03:51,145 What was else? 2881 02:03:51,145 --> 02:03:53,145 We had a couple. 2882 02:03:54,145 --> 02:04:00,145 Anyway, fuck Forbes and fuck participation trophies and all these things. 2883 02:04:00,145 --> 02:04:02,145 So, yeah. 2884 02:04:03,145 --> 02:04:04,145 I don't know. 2885 02:04:04,145 --> 02:04:05,145 What else do we have here? 2886 02:04:05,145 --> 02:04:08,145 Most dumb tweet ever, but it wasn't that dumb. 2887 02:04:09,145 --> 02:04:11,145 Can I please read this one? 2888 02:04:11,145 --> 02:04:12,145 Yeah. 2889 02:04:12,145 --> 02:04:15,145 I don't know who the fuck this kid is, but I saw him around for a while. 2890 02:04:16,145 --> 02:04:17,145 118 likes. 2891 02:04:17,145 --> 02:04:19,145 His name is Nick. 2892 02:04:19,145 --> 02:04:20,145 Yeah. 2893 02:04:20,145 --> 02:04:23,145 But his screen name is Nick can't mine. 2894 02:04:23,145 --> 02:04:26,145 Yeah, which I don't know what to say about him. 2895 02:04:26,145 --> 02:04:29,145 I don't know why you couldn't mine, you know, it's like, you know. 2896 02:04:29,145 --> 02:04:31,145 Anyone can, yeah. 2897 02:04:31,145 --> 02:04:33,145 Even with pen and paper. 2898 02:04:33,145 --> 02:04:35,145 Or you could go on a website we mentioned last time. 2899 02:04:35,145 --> 02:04:37,145 You could, yeah. 2900 02:04:37,145 --> 02:04:39,145 Yolk Mining Simulator. 2901 02:04:39,145 --> 02:04:40,145 I'm going to tweet at him. 2902 02:04:40,145 --> 02:04:43,145 When this is over, I say, dude, this is how you mine. 2903 02:04:44,145 --> 02:04:46,145 Now even you can mine. 2904 02:04:46,145 --> 02:04:47,145 Now even Nick can mine. 2905 02:04:47,145 --> 02:04:48,145 He has this tweet here. 2906 02:04:48,145 --> 02:04:52,145 He has like this picture of like, I don't know, like one of those nature pictures 2907 02:04:52,145 --> 02:04:55,145 that you would see in the 1700s or 1500s or something, right? 2908 02:04:55,145 --> 02:04:56,145 Painted in oil and whatever. 2909 02:04:56,145 --> 02:04:59,145 And just very like a portion of nature. 2910 02:04:59,145 --> 02:05:00,145 You see the mountains. 2911 02:05:00,145 --> 02:05:01,145 You see a lake here. 2912 02:05:01,145 --> 02:05:02,145 You see some leaves. 2913 02:05:02,145 --> 02:05:04,145 He has that style that I was taught once in college, 2914 02:05:04,145 --> 02:05:07,145 but I forgot where they make it more blurry as it's further away. 2915 02:05:07,494 --> 02:05:08,494 There you go, a hundred fucking grand. 2916 02:05:08,494 --> 02:05:10,494 There you go, so you can count that art. 2917 02:05:10,494 --> 02:05:17,494 Yeah, I can also tell you that it definitely wasn't 1500s because they didn't invent, they didn't know anything about perspective back then. 2918 02:05:17,494 --> 02:05:24,494 So I date this art to some period that is after the 1500s. 2919 02:05:24,494 --> 02:05:27,494 Well, money well spent in that conversation. 2920 02:05:27,494 --> 02:05:29,494 Very precise. 2921 02:05:30,494 --> 02:05:34,494 Anyway, the guy goes like, finally got around setting up a solid multi-sig wad. 2922 02:05:34,494 --> 02:05:37,494 And it fills me with so much peace of mind and Bitcoin Zen. 2923 02:05:37,494 --> 02:05:39,494 Yeah. 2924 02:05:39,494 --> 02:05:41,494 So why is that the dumbest tweet ever? 2925 02:05:41,494 --> 02:05:42,494 It's not that dumb. 2926 02:05:42,494 --> 02:05:43,494 I mean, this is Twitter we're talking about. 2927 02:05:43,494 --> 02:05:44,494 Okay. 2928 02:05:44,494 --> 02:05:45,494 You know what? 2929 02:05:45,494 --> 02:05:48,494 The tweets on Twitter are so dumb. 2930 02:05:48,494 --> 02:05:53,494 This is like, there's not even registering on my dumbometer. 2931 02:05:53,494 --> 02:05:54,494 You know why? 2932 02:05:54,494 --> 02:05:55,494 Oh, wait, what did this guy do? 2933 02:05:55,494 --> 02:05:56,494 Wait, it says in here. 2934 02:05:56,494 --> 02:05:57,494 What does he do? 2935 02:05:58,494 --> 02:06:00,494 He works for Bitcoin Magazine. 2936 02:06:00,494 --> 02:06:01,494 Didn't I say that? 2937 02:06:01,494 --> 02:06:02,494 Wow. 2938 02:06:02,494 --> 02:06:06,494 Anyway, so the thing is that toxic capitalist. 2939 02:06:06,494 --> 02:06:09,494 Anyway, the thing is that. 2940 02:06:09,494 --> 02:06:10,494 What's your problem? 2941 02:06:10,494 --> 02:06:12,494 I don't understand where this thing comes from. 2942 02:06:12,494 --> 02:06:15,494 People start going on multi-sig like super crazy like this. 2943 02:06:15,494 --> 02:06:16,494 Because you know what? 2944 02:06:16,494 --> 02:06:17,494 There's two things here. 2945 02:06:17,494 --> 02:06:23,494 First of all, your security should be adapted to your lifestyle and your attack vectors, right? 2946 02:06:23,494 --> 02:06:24,494 Oh, yeah. 2947 02:06:24,494 --> 02:06:25,494 Okay, I agree. 2948 02:06:25,494 --> 02:06:31,494 And second of all, they don't understand there's a trade-off in complexity with multi-sig. 2949 02:06:31,494 --> 02:06:33,494 There's a really bad trade-off with complexity there. 2950 02:06:33,494 --> 02:06:37,494 So at the end of the day, if you're some fucking jerk-off kid who can't mine on Twitter, all right? 2951 02:06:37,494 --> 02:06:39,494 By the way, I don't know if he's a jerk-off. 2952 02:06:39,494 --> 02:06:40,494 Maybe I'm an asshole. 2953 02:06:40,494 --> 02:06:44,494 But dude, you're making your life hard for no fucking reason. 2954 02:06:44,494 --> 02:06:47,494 Use a fucking cold card or whatever the fuck you want to use or treasure. 2955 02:06:47,494 --> 02:06:49,494 You're going to be more than fucking fine. 2956 02:06:49,494 --> 02:06:50,494 You know what I'm trying to say? 2957 02:06:50,494 --> 02:06:51,494 It's funny. 2958 02:06:51,494 --> 02:06:53,494 You didn't even say what I thought you would say, which is that if you were really filled 2959 02:06:53,494 --> 02:06:58,494 with peace of mind and Bitcoin Zen, why is he on Twitter at all? 2960 02:06:58,494 --> 02:07:02,494 Why is he telling everyone about it? 2961 02:07:02,494 --> 02:07:03,494 That's a better one. 2962 02:07:03,494 --> 02:07:04,494 That's such a better one. 2963 02:07:04,494 --> 02:07:05,494 Yeah, that's what I thought you would say. 2964 02:07:05,494 --> 02:07:06,494 Oh my god, that's such a good one. 2965 02:07:06,494 --> 02:07:09,494 I liked your first thing even though I already forgot it because I was so bored with it. 2966 02:07:09,494 --> 02:07:10,494 What did you say? 2967 02:07:10,494 --> 02:07:17,494 You said your security should be adapted to your lifestyle and attack vectors. 2968 02:07:17,494 --> 02:07:20,494 Yeah, he doesn't really need the multi-sig wallet. 2969 02:07:20,494 --> 02:07:24,494 He's like, oh, let me try out this cool Bitcoin feature and then I'm going to cheer for Bitcoin. 2970 02:07:24,494 --> 02:07:27,494 So yeah, so I guess it's... 2971 02:07:27,494 --> 02:07:29,494 But still, I mean, come on. 2972 02:07:29,494 --> 02:07:32,494 There are so many tweets that are way dumber than this. 2973 02:07:32,494 --> 02:07:33,494 Should we do like a contest? 2974 02:07:33,494 --> 02:07:38,494 Should we do like dumbest tweet of the week? 2975 02:07:38,494 --> 02:07:40,494 We should do that. 2976 02:07:40,494 --> 02:07:41,494 Dumbest Bitcoin tweet. 2977 02:07:41,494 --> 02:07:43,494 It's definitely not this one. 2978 02:07:43,494 --> 02:07:45,494 You know, there's this... 2979 02:07:45,494 --> 02:07:46,494 You don't think it's this one? 2980 02:07:46,494 --> 02:07:47,494 I think it is. 2981 02:07:48,494 --> 02:07:50,494 It's not dumb, but it's cringy somehow, I guess. 2982 02:07:50,494 --> 02:07:52,494 I don't know. 2983 02:07:52,494 --> 02:07:55,494 It just makes me be like, oh my god. 2984 02:07:55,494 --> 02:08:02,494 You know, like when I read this, I rolled my eyes so fucking hard that literally one of my bows snapped back and fell into my fucking shoe. 2985 02:08:02,494 --> 02:08:05,494 That's how much I dislike this fucking tweet. 2986 02:08:08,494 --> 02:08:09,494 Okay. 2987 02:08:09,494 --> 02:08:16,494 Well, that's useful feedback for NickCantMine. 2988 02:08:16,494 --> 02:08:24,494 And he can maybe, I don't know, reform his ways and build tweets that are more agreeable to you. 2989 02:08:24,494 --> 02:08:27,494 Or maybe he could go the other direction. 2990 02:08:27,494 --> 02:08:31,494 Do you know who Ural Paul is? 2991 02:08:31,494 --> 02:08:34,494 Yeah, but I can't remember right now. 2992 02:08:34,494 --> 02:08:36,494 I guess now then. 2993 02:08:36,494 --> 02:08:41,494 There's this guy who has like this finance macro podcast type of investor thing. 2994 02:08:41,494 --> 02:08:42,494 You know what? 2995 02:08:42,494 --> 02:08:43,494 I have to say... 2996 02:08:43,494 --> 02:08:44,494 It's not coming back to me. 2997 02:08:44,494 --> 02:08:47,494 There's this new wave of macro guys right now. 2998 02:08:47,494 --> 02:08:49,494 And some of them are really brilliant, by the way. 2999 02:08:49,494 --> 02:08:51,494 I like listening to them and whatever. 3000 02:08:51,494 --> 02:08:58,494 But there's this, again, this other macro talk in Bitcoin. 3001 02:08:58,494 --> 02:09:00,494 And people are very serious about it. 3002 02:09:00,494 --> 02:09:03,494 And they get on the podcast and they're like, well, considering these things and whatever. 3003 02:09:03,494 --> 02:09:05,494 And Bitcoin makes a perfect case and whatever. 3004 02:09:05,494 --> 02:09:06,494 And I don't know. 3005 02:09:06,494 --> 02:09:08,494 I just feel like they're all... 3006 02:09:08,494 --> 02:09:10,494 I don't know, guys, you're kind of all saying the same thing a hundred times. 3007 02:09:10,494 --> 02:09:12,494 Anyway, this guy is not like that. 3008 02:09:12,494 --> 02:09:14,494 At least those people say something smart sometimes. 3009 02:09:14,494 --> 02:09:18,494 This guy just says stupid things. 3010 02:09:18,494 --> 02:09:23,494 His tweet is, if you think that secrecy from governments and no KYC is Bitcoin's future, 3011 02:09:23,494 --> 02:09:26,494 then you don't understand what Bitcoin adoption looks like. 3012 02:09:26,494 --> 02:09:27,494 They will regulate it. 3013 02:09:27,494 --> 02:09:28,494 You will declare it. 3014 02:09:28,494 --> 02:09:30,494 You will have to do KYC and that's fine. 3015 02:09:30,494 --> 02:09:36,494 It doesn't take away its store of value, but it just integrates it. 3016 02:09:36,494 --> 02:09:38,494 What do you think about this? 3017 02:09:38,494 --> 02:09:42,494 Yeah, that's tough to say that. 3018 02:09:42,494 --> 02:09:44,494 Yeah, Bitcoin will have no value. 3019 02:09:44,494 --> 02:09:52,494 If the government succeeds in tracking every TXID and who owns what coin, 3020 02:09:52,494 --> 02:09:57,494 then there will be no value add for Bitcoin. 3021 02:09:57,494 --> 02:09:58,494 So that will be the end of Bitcoin. 3022 02:09:58,494 --> 02:10:00,494 So I don't agree with him at all. 3023 02:10:00,494 --> 02:10:03,494 I do think there's going to be some portion, probably a big portion of... 3024 02:10:03,494 --> 02:10:06,494 Well, a portion of them being tracked and whatever because you just have to... 3025 02:10:06,494 --> 02:10:09,494 But if it's all, then what are we doing here? 3026 02:10:09,494 --> 02:10:11,494 Yeah, exactly. 3027 02:10:11,494 --> 02:10:13,494 So that's not happening. 3028 02:10:13,494 --> 02:10:16,494 I would like to say that actually he's an economic historian, 3029 02:10:16,494 --> 02:10:18,494 so maybe you should connect with him. 3030 02:10:18,494 --> 02:10:19,494 Yeah, maybe. 3031 02:10:19,494 --> 02:10:26,494 I'm tempted to wonder what history is he interested in. 3032 02:10:26,494 --> 02:10:27,494 I don't know. 3033 02:10:27,494 --> 02:10:28,494 I don't know. 3034 02:10:28,494 --> 02:10:29,494 There's certainly a lot. 3035 02:10:29,494 --> 02:10:33,494 Let's try to get him on the show and troll him. 3036 02:10:33,494 --> 02:10:35,494 Okay, I don't want to... 3037 02:10:36,494 --> 02:10:38,494 I don't think we should get people... 3038 02:10:38,494 --> 02:10:41,494 I don't know if we should... 3039 02:10:41,494 --> 02:10:45,494 I don't know who should we have on the show that anyone would like. 3040 02:10:45,494 --> 02:10:48,494 Let's let the audience decide. 3041 02:10:48,494 --> 02:10:50,494 We'll let those two people who decide. 3042 02:10:50,494 --> 02:10:52,494 They can decide who should come on. 3043 02:10:52,494 --> 02:10:55,494 Cypher Skunk. 3044 02:10:55,494 --> 02:10:57,494 That's kind of hard to pronounce. 3045 02:10:57,494 --> 02:11:02,494 Try to tag people in one of our tweets, in one of my 40 videos that I tweet. 3046 02:11:02,494 --> 02:11:03,494 Tag people? 3047 02:11:03,494 --> 02:11:04,494 Yeah. 3048 02:11:04,494 --> 02:11:05,494 No, someone is like that. 3049 02:11:05,494 --> 02:11:08,494 Just add someone in the comments who they should think they should be on our show. 3050 02:11:08,494 --> 02:11:09,494 Maybe. 3051 02:11:09,494 --> 02:11:10,494 Okay. 3052 02:11:10,494 --> 02:11:11,494 We're not going to pick someone serious, though. 3053 02:11:11,494 --> 02:11:12,494 You have to realize that. 3054 02:11:12,494 --> 02:11:13,494 We can't. 3055 02:11:13,494 --> 02:11:15,494 What if Adam Beck wants to come on our show? 3056 02:11:15,494 --> 02:11:16,494 Sure. 3057 02:11:16,494 --> 02:11:18,494 Were you going to play nice? 3058 02:11:18,494 --> 02:11:19,494 Yes. 3059 02:11:19,494 --> 02:11:20,494 Why would that? 3060 02:11:20,494 --> 02:11:21,494 Sure. 3061 02:11:21,494 --> 02:11:24,494 But don't you feel like he's disgracing Bitcoin and he will disgrace our podcast? 3062 02:11:24,494 --> 02:11:26,494 I will politely say it. 3063 02:11:26,494 --> 02:11:27,494 Politely. 3064 02:11:27,494 --> 02:11:29,494 Okay, I understand. 3065 02:11:29,494 --> 02:11:31,494 Let's try to get him on there. 3066 02:11:31,494 --> 02:11:37,494 I just think that at this point, the company has become a distraction and causing more problems than it solves. 3067 02:11:37,494 --> 02:11:38,494 Okay. 3068 02:11:38,494 --> 02:11:40,494 Don't you? 3069 02:11:40,494 --> 02:11:43,494 I do agree with the distraction part. 3070 02:11:43,494 --> 02:11:45,494 I don't know what their vision is. 3071 02:11:45,494 --> 02:11:50,494 And I don't know if they're causing that much problems compared to any other companies. 3072 02:11:50,494 --> 02:11:55,494 Just like split the company up to different other companies that have different names. 3073 02:11:55,494 --> 02:11:57,494 Yeah, I guess so. 3074 02:11:57,494 --> 02:11:58,494 I don't know. 3075 02:11:58,494 --> 02:11:59,494 Maybe we should write an email. 3076 02:11:59,494 --> 02:12:01,494 Not Blockstream. 3077 02:12:01,494 --> 02:12:05,494 You should write this idea to contact at Blockstream.com. 3078 02:12:05,494 --> 02:12:07,494 Cube River. 3079 02:12:07,494 --> 02:12:09,494 I don't get it. 3080 02:12:09,494 --> 02:12:11,494 It's a completely different name. 3081 02:12:11,494 --> 02:12:12,494 Why Cube River? 3082 02:12:12,494 --> 02:12:15,494 What's the reference to it? 3083 02:12:15,494 --> 02:12:17,494 Blockstream. 3084 02:12:17,494 --> 02:12:21,494 You know, stream, river. 3085 02:12:21,494 --> 02:12:22,494 What the fuck? 3086 02:12:22,494 --> 02:12:23,494 Do you really not get this joke? 3087 02:12:23,494 --> 02:12:25,494 Oh my god, that's such a bad joke. 3088 02:12:25,494 --> 02:12:28,494 A block and a cube are geometrically the same shape. 3089 02:12:28,494 --> 02:12:36,494 And a river and a stream are both bodies of water that are water flows through a valley in a line. 3090 02:12:36,494 --> 02:12:38,494 Do you seriously not get that? 3091 02:12:38,494 --> 02:12:40,494 I mean, it's just so bad, though. 3092 02:12:40,494 --> 02:12:41,494 It's like... 3093 02:12:41,494 --> 02:12:42,494 It's not supposed to be good. 3094 02:12:42,494 --> 02:12:43,494 It's just an off-the-cuff thing. 3095 02:12:43,494 --> 02:12:44,494 Okay, I'm sorry. 3096 02:12:44,494 --> 02:12:46,494 I'm sorry. 3097 02:12:46,494 --> 02:12:52,494 Anyway, do we have any fucking thing else here on this thing? 3098 02:12:52,494 --> 02:12:54,494 Squarebrook. 3099 02:13:01,494 --> 02:13:03,494 Do you have any more? 3100 02:13:03,494 --> 02:13:05,494 Do you have other ones? 3101 02:13:05,494 --> 02:13:07,494 I'm sure I got all kinds of... 3102 02:13:07,494 --> 02:13:09,494 Oh, I was gonna talk about this before. 3103 02:13:09,494 --> 02:13:11,494 Tesseract. 3104 02:13:11,494 --> 02:13:13,494 Estuary. 3105 02:13:23,494 --> 02:13:27,494 You need your Thesaurus. 3106 02:13:27,494 --> 02:13:31,494 You need your pocket dictionary for that one. 3107 02:13:31,494 --> 02:13:39,494 Do you have any other better suggestions for what Blockstream should be named? 3108 02:13:39,494 --> 02:13:41,494 I could do this all day! 3109 02:13:41,494 --> 02:13:43,494 I could do this all day! 3110 02:13:43,494 --> 02:13:45,494 That's so funny! 3111 02:13:45,494 --> 02:13:46,494 You know what? 3112 02:13:46,494 --> 02:13:50,494 I think there were probably a few days where you probably did this all fucking day. 3113 02:13:50,494 --> 02:13:52,494 This is now the episode title. 3114 02:13:52,494 --> 02:13:53,494 Tesseract. 3115 02:13:53,494 --> 02:13:54,494 Estuary. 3116 02:13:54,494 --> 02:13:55,494 Sorry. 3117 02:13:55,494 --> 02:13:56,494 It's taken over. 3118 02:13:56,494 --> 02:13:59,494 Okay, I don't even know how to spell both of those things. 3119 02:13:59,494 --> 02:14:01,494 So, okay. 3120 02:14:03,494 --> 02:14:05,494 Or just Squarebrook. 3121 02:14:05,494 --> 02:14:07,494 Squarebrook is the best. 3122 02:14:07,494 --> 02:14:09,494 Okay, we have to end the episode now because it's terrible. 3123 02:14:09,494 --> 02:14:10,494 Alright, okay. 3124 02:14:10,494 --> 02:14:12,494 This is the meta talk we said we wouldn't do. 3125 02:14:12,494 --> 02:14:14,494 Now it's meta meta talk. 3126 02:14:14,494 --> 02:14:15,494 It's even worse. 3127 02:14:15,494 --> 02:14:16,494 Until next time. 3128 02:14:16,494 --> 02:14:18,494 Sell all your coins. 3129 02:14:18,494 --> 02:14:19,494 Fuck all the hookers. 3130 02:14:19,494 --> 02:14:20,494 Do all the drugs. 3131 02:14:20,494 --> 02:14:22,494 And be outrageous. 3132 02:14:22,494 --> 02:14:23,494 And keep slinging dick.