0:00 🎵 0:30 🎵 1:00 🎵 1:02 🎵 1:04 🎵 1:06 🎵 1:08 🎵 1:10 🎵 1:12 🎵 1:14 🎵 1:16 🎵 1:18 🎵 1:20 🎵 1:22 🎵 1:24 Hey everyone, I hope you can hear me well. 1:26 Let's wait until 10 people join 1:28 and then we can get started. 1:30 I'll hand the floor 1:32 to Paul immediately 1:34 as soon as there's at least 10 people in this space. 1:40 Well, we already have 7. 1:44 I'll never have 8. 1:46 Let's just, because I have 1:48 like a list, so I'll just 1:50 go through 1:52 the worst things on the list first 1:54 and we'll save the better things. 1:58 So we can kill time 2:00 by talking about this study about 2:02 in Cameroon 2:04 these people earn money 2:06 and because 2:08 in every other culture that's not like a western 2:10 culture, if you have any more 2:12 money than anyone, everyone comes out with like 2:14 for a handout, they try to like take your money 2:16 like your mother-in-law 2:18 and your cousin and whatever, they all try to like take your money. 2:20 They have like the job 2:22 as a program where they will invest your money 2:24 at negative 25%. 2:26 But they won't tell anyone 2:28 how much money you have. 2:30 And I think 2:32 that's an interesting privacy 2:34 use case 2:36 as you might call it. 2:38 So I thought that was kind of neat. 2:40 Also the bug hunt number 3 2:42 is finished. 2:44 So I'm 2:46 going to publish the list of all the bugs 2:48 which I haven't done before because I thought, well 2:50 do we really want 2:52 you know, do we really 2:54 want everyone 2:56 to know about the bugs before we can fix them all? 2:58 But we'll do that 3:00 but then we'll be trying to fix every bug. 3:02 There's a lot of, they have a lot of like minor bugs 3:04 and you gotta check the fixes 3:06 and stuff before you 3:08 push them out and 3:10 etc. 3:12 etc. 3:14 So 3:18 Jameson Lopp has a 3:20 thing on wrench attacks 3:22 and 3:24 also 3:26 another thing that 3:28 this Saturday 3:30 we're going to start 3:32 doing like they call it the dry run 3:34 which is like if the fork happened now 3:36 like that's what it would be. 3:38 And 3:40 so it will be like 3:42 an opportunity for everyone to test like every 3:44 single thing about claiming and like what exactly 3:46 would happen with the difficulty and the mining 3:48 and all that other stuff. 3:50 So that is the 3:52 so we're going to start 3:54 doing that. 3:58 And then I had a tweet about 4:00 bit 47 and Luke 4:02 that some people wanted to explain 4:04 which is like 4:06 Luke fought against bit 47 and people 4:08 and simply because there's this new app 4:10 out that lets you do 4:14 it lets you like basically text. This is what I was talking 4:16 about last week about with BitNames. 4:18 It's like you can text back and forth with someone and 4:20 just send them $20 instead of texting back and 4:22 forth with them and then 4:26 like asking them for an address and then how 4:28 do they know the address is real and that the 4:30 clipboard didn't get intercepted and all this 4:32 stuff. And of course I'm 4:34 I've been a huge champion of this idea for many 4:36 many years. But the 4:42 I've been a huge champion of this idea for many years 4:44 but so 4:46 I was commenting that if Luke 4:48 tried to kill bit 47, which is like from 4:50 2014, we would 4:52 probably still have this now and people are like, what's the connection 4:54 between those two things? And the 4:56 connection is that you kind of have to have this like friend 4:58 for bit 47, you have to have this like 5:00 friend request on the blockchain where 5:02 you and the other person 5:04 do this notification transaction 5:06 but basically what it does is it sets 5:08 up this thing that is technically called this diff-a-helmet 5:10 thing 5:12 and 5:14 basically lets everyone know the other person's 5:16 public key and lets you have 5:18 encrypted messages of all kinds with each 5:20 other and since when you know someone's 5:22 private key, you also know, excuse me, when you know someone's 5:24 public key, you also know exactly 5:26 how to send the coins. 5:28 So 5:30 the reason why I 5:32 speculate that we would have had this in bitcoin 10 5:34 years ago if Luke hadn't killed bit 47 5:36 is because bit 47 sets up this thing where 5:38 you and the other person know each other's 5:40 key and address 5:42 and I think from there it's a very 5:44 short distance from having 5:46 stuff like an address book in bitcoin 5:48 where it's an actual just list of 5:50 other people that you interact 5:52 with and then it's 5:54 from there it's 5:56 very short distance from 5:58 taking, 6:00 transacting back and forth to adding 6:02 the chat thing 6:04 but instead Luke 6:06 killed 47 and then 6:08 he went on to kill other things, he killed 6:10 more Operaturn and this 6:12 led, Vlad, as you were pointing 6:14 out, this led kind of 6:16 to the creation of counterparty in 6:18 Ethereum and led to like the 6:20 the jettison of 6:22 a lot 6:24 of stuff being done on bitcoin and 6:26 then that created 6:28 to some extent created altcoin world 6:32 so that's why I 6:34 bring that up. There's also a new 6:36 Dan Krawitz video 6:38 and also another interview 6:40 that I did with I think XXIM 6:42 but if you like 6:44 thoughtful, high IQ 6:46 eCash entertainment 6:48 then you can 6:50 listen to the Dan Krawitz 6:52 video number 3 which is really good 6:54 the Rambo one 6:56 so that's out 6:58 there's 7:00 another, before we get to, the most important thing is 7:02 the free samurai thing I suppose, I mean that's 7:04 something that people are very curious about so 7:06 we're just warming up to it 7:08 and we'll just get more 7:10 stuff off the list as people 7:12 join and people can 7:14 feel free to ask about this 7:16 or anything else but there's a new 7:18 waste of time 7:20 Michael Saylor article 7:22 out which is 7:24 I don't know who's 7:26 necessarily still paying attention 7:28 even to Michael Saylor at this point 7:30 because you would think 7:32 that after him saying 7:34 don't sell your bitcoin 7:36 that would just be enough for people to throw up their hands and be like 7:38 I'm never listening to this 7:40 person again 7:42 but some people 7:44 still are I suppose 7:46 and so I thought, you know what 7:48 I had actually kind of a list of crazy things 7:50 Michael Saylor has 7:52 done but the problem is the list is too long 7:54 so I was like I should 7:56 kind of shorten it and have only the high 7:58 impact ones but Udi 8:00 Udi already, he just tweeted 8:02 maybe two or three days ago 8:04 he tweeted already like a really really good 8:06 list that is very curated 8:08 and so I was like yeah this is a great 8:10 this is a great short list of 8:12 crazy stuff Michael Saylor 8:14 has done and said and where you just can't believe 8:16 like why is anyone taking this guy seriously 8:18 so 8:20 that's 8:22 slowly going away but you can read his 8:24 new article and recently he tweeted 8:26 about how he 8:28 the fact that we have one set 8:30 per 8:32 kilobyte 8:34 fees that means we've solved 8:36 spam maybe I'm not exactly sure 8:38 one set per kilobyte 8:40 sorry 8:42 I wish it was one set per kilobyte 8:44 but it's per bbyte 8:46 oh no no sorry I said the wrong misspoke 8:48 there's a verbal typo 8:50 there set per byte per bbyte 8:52 and but 8:54 it's unclear as to what he is 8:56 trying to say like that 8:58 this proves that the network 9:00 is ready for more bytes 9:02 or it's kind of costly 9:04 a waste of time to even 9:06 delve into it too much 9:10 and then finally 9:12 on Michael Saylor he sold 32 9:14 bitcoin but then he bought 9:16 3600 bitcoin 9:18 but then he sold the same amount at a much 9:20 lower price and this is what 9:22 he does constantly 9:24 he's constantly 9:26 buying at the top and now 9:28 selling at much lower prices 9:30 owning the coin at lower prices 9:32 so 9:34 to me Michael Saylor 9:36 Michael Saylor, BIP110 9:38 and Lightning are all 9:40 the same thing where it's like for some reason 9:42 people 9:44 believe in these three ideas 9:46 to me they're just equally 9:48 cult 9:50 fake ideas that are doomed and 9:52 they're just propped up by basically social 9:54 pressure and they're kind of 9:56 embarrassing and weird 9:58 speaking of 110, 110 lost 10:00 Giacomo 10:02 poor Giacomo 10:04 Zucco, investor in Ocean 10:06 he tweeted something like 10:08 110 is stupid 10:10 because he compared it 10:12 because that guy, I don't know who made this site 10:14 I think it was Wicked maybe, he made a pretty good 10:16 site tracking 10:18 110 and then he had an option to toggle 10:20 between SegWit and 110 and you 10:22 can see the complete night and day 10:24 difference 10:26 where there's like no 10:28 but we've got someone with a 110 10:30 listening I think 10:32 so come on up and 10:34 shill 110 as best you can 10:36 we got 110G 10:38 Julio, we got also 10:40 David hashtag BIP11 10:42 then it's cut off so we can only assume 10:46 we can only assume he's not talking about 10:48 BIP119 10:52 but yeah 10:54 sure, feel free to come up 10:56 now okay, the big 10:58 let's see 11:04 alright, hello 11:06 supporters out there because they're not real 11:08 Paul, they're not real, okay 11:10 we're all trolling, this is Bitcoin Puppet 11:12 turning into a human 11:14 we're adding BIP110 to our name to infiltrate 11:16 and add subterfuge 11:18 oh it's a joke 11:20 we've been arguing with these idiots 11:22 all week, Leonidas 11:24 this dumbass, our number one retarded 11:26 ordinal savior, Leonidas 11:28 is going to argue with Jim, rdts 11:30 Jim today who's like actually mining 11:32 BIP110, so we're all kind of just like 11:34 leaning into this like, let's dox 11:36 ourselves and act like we're 11:38 real people with laser eyes so that they, because they won't 11:40 let us come up on the spaces and like talk 11:42 with logic right, like they're like scared of reasoning 11:44 I guess and like this spending, like what is 11:46 money is a question that they hate right 11:48 these type of simple, so they would rather 11:50 just talk to themselves all day long 11:52 right, so we try to get up, talk to them 11:54 but we figured out they wouldn't let us up, so we started 11:56 changing our name, like I made my name 11:58 David, because think about it 12:00 you know, why do people want to listen to you talk Paul 12:02 because you got a nice cute white guy face 12:04 and you got your name Paul in your handle, right 12:06 like that's a reasonable person 12:08 right out the gate, it's like when you see me with the Bitcoin 12:10 Puppet and you know my name 12:12 is DeGentralina 12:14 come on, do you think people want to hear me talk 12:16 I can 12:18 see people taking a skeptical 12:20 view, look you invited me up here 12:22 because I had a white guy face and laser eyes, don't lie 12:24 well because 12:26 you had one BIP-110 12:28 that is funny though 12:30 I think, I saw the thing with the 12:32 mechanic, like the M 12:34 mechanic and the guy doing the impression 12:36 and I thought that, I was like laughing at that 12:38 I don't normally, like a lot of Bitcoin content is 12:40 very very predictable for me 12:42 we've already got the loop, okay 12:44 we already have people, like there's this guy 12:46 Zeck, he's at the mechanic right now so he can't 12:48 come explain it, but he has an alt account that 12:50 has what's called a psychosis ape club 12:52 it's an AI board ape 12:54 derivative rug on 12:56 Binance Smart Chain, alright, we made a joke a long time ago 12:58 where we copy pasted some of these and 13:00 teleburned them onto Bitcoin and so we 13:02 have this little dumb joke where like five of us have these 13:04 board ape, you know, derivative AI 13:06 shit, and so he goes on that 13:08 it says building alkanes in the name 13:10 it has worms in the handle, like worm 13:12 emoji, it has ah seven 13:14 times, another worm, and then it says 13:16 bip 110, and then it says 13:18 building on alkanes, which is a Bitcoin 13:20 meta protocol, right? Luke Dashjr's 13:22 dumbass is retweeting this guy because 13:24 the barrier of like IQ that 13:26 these guys put into like 13:28 the virtue signaling with one another 13:30 and like, it's very low, there's no effort 13:32 here for them to be like, oh, they say 13:34 oh, that guy has bip 110 in his name and 13:36 he has laser eyes, I like that guy, you know 13:38 that's it, that's as far as these guys go 13:40 so if you just put laser eyes back 13:42 on and you put like bip 110 in your name 13:44 you're gonna be, I got 50 13:46 followers within 20 hours and I'm 13:48 tweeting Bitcoin puppet memes at these guys 13:50 and they're liking them, like they have no idea 13:52 what's going on, Paul 13:54 well, you know, the underdog 13:56 is always desperate to 13:58 team up, so they're 14:00 actually very nice, they have to love bomb 14:02 it's like a cult, they have to, anyone 14:04 new, they have to love bomb 14:06 them to get them in, it's very 14:08 important. Well, hey, you fooled me 14:10 I thought it was a real 110 14:12 I mean, I put one second 14:14 into researching it, by reading the title 14:16 there's Zek down there too, he's doing the 14:18 same thing with the real person, but basically 14:20 for the last three days we've been like doing 12 hour 14:22 a day spaces where we title it like 14:24 bip 110ers for the win, or like 14:26 you know, bip 110 is gonna win 14:28 debate, and we bait these guys to come up, right 14:30 and then we like get one of their supporters 14:32 to like actually try to defend the cause 14:34 and we like be nice about it, we try to be 14:36 really gentle, and like we're basically playing 14:38 basketball with a 12 year old 14:40 and we know we're playing basketball with a 12 year old, but we still 14:42 want the 12 year old to have a little bit of fun, right 14:44 but we still gotta make sure he can't get the free shot, you know 14:46 so like, we're playing, that's how 14:48 we're treating these guys on this stage 14:50 but they unironically think, like they don't even understand 14:52 that us shit pointers, whatever 14:54 we haven't even gotten off the bench 14:56 we haven't even lifted a finger to defend 14:58 ourselves from these dumb arguments, right 15:00 but now we're just now 15:02 step one is like, let's have some jokes with 15:04 these guys and like let's play their game and put 15:06 bip 110 in their name, so we can just like be part 15:08 of the conversation and then ask them very obvious 15:10 questions, and then they like, hopefully 15:12 ideally, that maybe 15:14 you know, kicks some logic into their head 15:16 but I don't know bro, look how they're crashing 15:18 out on Michael Saylor, their hero right now, it's 15:20 gold, it's gold 15:22 well yeah 15:24 I was actually kind of, I was a little disappointed 15:26 even that, cause I was kind of like, maybe Michael 15:28 Saylor with this recent tweet about 15:30 the 15:32 he's talking about how there's no spam problem 15:34 I was like, he's finally weighing in 15:36 on a 15:38 controversy, but he's, he waited two years 15:40 to weigh in on like one of the easiest controversies 15:42 like in all of Bitcoin's history 15:44 and so I was kind of like 15:46 well, I guess, I don't know, in many ways it's kind of maybe worse 15:48 I don't know 15:50 he's not intelligent and he's not 15:52 technical, you know, he has to wait bro 15:54 like he has to wait to be on the right side of it 15:56 he waited so long 15:58 can I just jump in there 16:00 how is it possible 16:02 that Michael Saylor owns literally 600,000 16:04 coins and he's not technical 16:06 like I had this, I had this debate yesterday 16:08 with Randy McMillan and he just shoved 16:10 it in my face and he said to me 16:12 he just threw it in my face 16:14 he was like, this guy is just 16:16 not going to know, he's not going to read the software 16:18 he doesn't care about the code 16:20 and yet you are literally giving this guy 16:22 600,000 coins 16:24 and you don't even know how he takes care of them 16:26 it's absurd 16:28 my theory would be that he's a federal agent 16:30 but yeah, that's not, nobody wants to hear that 16:32 well I'm a little confused about 16:34 Mr. Oiko, are you saying that he is 16:36 technical or are you saying that it's 16:38 amusing how 16:40 despite being not technical 16:42 I'm just literally saying that if you did have a company 16:44 that was worth that amount of money 16:46 and you were putting in billions of dollars 16:48 into Bitcoin, there is no way that you would 16:50 put billions of dollars into Bitcoin 16:52 and just trusting someone like Coinbase 16:54 to look after your keys 16:56 you have to know 16:58 on some way, shape or form 17:00 exactly how it is that they store their keys 17:02 and Randy McMillian yesterday 17:04 was just laughing in my face 17:06 the guy was just an absolute dickhead 17:08 and I was just like, dude man 17:10 you wouldn't give this guy your fucking Bitcoin 17:12 unless you knew 17:14 unless you actually fucking knew how it was 17:16 that he was going to take care of your keys 17:18 many people obviously have 17:20 but I think there must be 17:22 some kind of SOC report 17:24 or some kind of document describing 17:26 some kind of multi-sig set 17:28 this is just what I assume based on 17:30 years of experience in the industry 17:32 and also sometimes getting asked 17:34 by consultants and stuff 17:36 to review things 17:38 when a corporation reaches a certain size 17:40 they have to have everything in a document 17:42 they have to have a backup plan 17:44 so I assume 17:46 and by assume I mean 17:48 I'm like 99.99% sure 17:50 they have some kind of thing set up 17:52 for micro-strategies 17:54 Bitcoin is in 17:56 some kind of multi-sig 17:58 or MPC or some kind of whatever 18:00 fireblocks or some kind of thing 18:02 something that has reports 18:04 and stuff 18:06 even if you have a multi-signature scheme 18:08 it doesn't really matter what that multi-signature scheme is 18:10 unless you can actually read the code 18:12 about how that multi-signature scheme 18:14 takes place 18:16 what are you actually using to secure the keys 18:18 if you can't read the code 18:20 you're so gullible 18:22 this is like 18:24 I just can't understand how someone is in tune 18:26 and so update and so fucking clever 18:28 as Michael Saylor would just 18:30 there's just no way that he would not 18:32 read the code 18:34 he would know the shit 18:36 I'm not bigging him up 18:38 Do you think that he doesn't? 18:40 I would agree with you 18:42 I would say that he did 18:44 he would know every aspect about it 18:46 but he doesn't though 18:48 and interpreting the intention 18:50 is a completely different thing 18:52 well we could reflect on how 18:54 there were people who became obsessed 18:56 with Bitcoin like Roger Ver for example 18:58 in the earlier era 19:00 he became totally 19:02 obsessed with Bitcoin and he learned 19:04 an awful lot 19:06 he clearly became much more 19:08 technical than he would have 19:10 had he remained a humble 19:12 optical server 19:14 equipment salesman 19:16 which is like what he was 19:18 doing before he found Bitcoin 19:20 he clearly learned 19:22 about private keys 19:24 he learned about GitHub 19:26 he learned about 19:28 what an API is 19:30 because Amir 19:32 Otaki 19:34 I think accidentally published something 19:36 open source that had an API key 19:38 and lost 25,000 Bitcoin 19:40 as a result 19:42 but the point is 19:44 he became obsessed 19:46 but even back at the time 19:48 people would not have described Roger Ver 19:50 as quote technical 19:52 unquote 19:54 back in 2015-2017 in fact people would say that oh I really like Roger but he's not technical that's 19:59 something people would say and and yet he did become obsessed with Bitcoin and 20:07 Michael Saylor is kind of like a weird version of this where he he is also obsessed with getting 20:13 on stage and talking about Bitcoin with his weird metaphors you know what I mean like he 20:20 if you guys think about it Bitcoin 10 is like a cyber gangbang you know like this is the kind 20:25 of thing he understands it's okay he doesn't have to be technical let him do his vagueness and like 20:31 summarize the technicalities he's like if the thing is is not everybody can be technical 20:35 and we shouldn't we probably shouldn't expect that because like then we're never going to get 20:38 anywhere but I know but it is too weird like as it is weird person was saying that you'd invest so 20:44 much money and yet you wouldn't invest maybe like one weekend yeah but he doesn't know enough 20:52 he really knows if you read Udi's tweet there's many many different things like him for example 20:57 saying that Bitcoin is better than Litecoin because it has a higher hash rate in hashes per second 21:02 but apparently not knowing that the hash rate in Bitcoin and Litecoin are different and you can't 21:08 make just an apples to apples comparison you can compare them to some extent but you know 21:14 the hash the hash rate in Bitcoin really doesn't apply to anything because it so long as someone 21:19 actually makes the longest chain that's all that matters it doesn't matter how much hash rate you 21:23 have behind it just to some extent yes as long as it's enough to deter frivolous 51 attack 21:31 um I would agree so so a lot of the things he doesn't know are very strange and you would 21:38 think now he's been involved for like five years so you would think that he would know more 21:44 he's just as smart as all the guys yapping in my comments from 2021 on twitter about Bitcoin 10 21:48 that's fair well as I said I think sailor 110 and lightning to me they are all like just 21:56 just terrible and and I don't know what people see in them but but you have their little bubble 22:02 you have your little cult and um and it's a shame there's a little bit of there's a little 22:08 bit of good in each of the three you know like with 110 I'm not sure you're the criticizing 22:15 core and pointing out that chorus is terrible that was definitely the silver lining of 110 22:21 and lightning is of course people want to yes can I ask where you stand on this do you stand 22:25 on like the 110 or do you stand on the core sort of side of it because no I don't like I think 110 22:32 is right exactly I don't I'm not why do we have to stand on core side exactly I'm not really I 22:40 hate core in fact I have to bring this up because it's very important and this is what we had the 22:44 Bitcoin cash guy complaining and he's a super nice guy the New Zealand guy and he was complaining 22:51 yesterday to me about how blah blah blah but it's like the problem with Bitcoin cash and with 110 22:56 is that they're low quality ideas and so even though they are they you know they compete with 23:05 core and they're going to lose and then they're going to make core look even even better so this 23:09 is kind of like where you know you're competing against Donald Trump and you want him to lose and 23:13 you run Joe Biden who can't speak because he's half dead and then it's kind of like well that 23:18 was like you know that's a huge setback for everyone and no matter what you you want to have 23:24 two bad candidates compete so the inevitable failure of 110 is going to increase core is 23:31 going to look better than they looked before 110 ever you know was conceived does it really 23:38 better though no one's competing with them anyways no one's competing with who core they 23:43 ran everybody off well well 110 now is sort of competing come on not really I mean that's the 23:49 one thing I can't get 110 if they didn't send an activation and they just ran a client we would 23:55 all like them I think right like in a way I think so yes yeah well we would like that they're a 24:03 second option and as a consumer you walk into the you walk into the store and you see oh you know 24:09 Crest or Skullgate for the toothpaste you think oh that's good we have two options it almost feels 24:13 like it's a white flag from core the way it's playing out right now right and almost like a 24:18 controlled opposition thing uh you know I have to say I don't understand why Luke because you know 24:24 Luke is pretty smart Luke is pretty crazy of course Luke has always been crazy but I just don't see 24:32 what he could possibly be thinking with all this it doesn't um 24:37 because the facts are completely against him if you really hate I think you lost 400 24:42 and then the FBI was the only one that was trying to help you out you might hate us too though right 24:48 why would that how what how does that help if you could just get more bitcoin by 24:52 no wrong things I mean sure but he's his attitude that day shifted I think like I like 24:59 personal experience right I lost a lot of crypto once upon a time over like an in-house theft 25:03 thing right and so like I I had to fight with those emotions for like a year and a half of like 25:09 being upset about who's to blame all this kind of shit you live in France did they sell your 25:13 information Seattle Seattle no I just had uh I think someone called you that I yeah I think what 25:18 I knew someone I knew at like a work situation kind of figured out I had a bunch of bitcoiners 25:22 anyways point is is that that's too bad you you feel certain type of way after that for a while 25:26 so I wouldn't put it past Luke to be like man they forsake me blah blah he's all religious and 25:31 emotional you know so like he could easily figure out all these like uh just weird metaphors for 25:36 himself to justify like helping the FBI undermine bitcoin and or helping core kind of so he could 25:42 get some of that corn back or whatever right like any other incentive is there we just don't know 25:46 what it is you know I don't think the FBI knows how to undermine bitcoin because think about how 25:54 when I look around I see a lot of people trying to help bitcoin and they all seem really confused 25:59 so I think in order for the FBI to know it's bad for bitcoin they would have to know 26:03 they have to know the difference between what's good and bad for bitcoin but this is apparently 26:07 like secret lore you don't really have to buy a few people despite us on Twitter though you fight 26:12 the social infusion layer I think that could be the case so with Luke I would definitely believe 26:18 that he he wanted to start Ocean and make a lot of money with Ocean to reclaim recoup what he 26:25 had lost but I don't see how any of this is helping Ocean I think it's possible that there's a 26:30 faction of people in Ocean who want to kick Luke out and they're bringing this to a very measurable 26:37 head so to speak they're bringing it they're saying okay here's an event where because didn't 26:42 we see that one guy doesn't have one older guy was like uh after 110 doesn't work like I'm gonna 26:48 give up on this or something yeah I mean that's what they all kind of like they're trying to scare 26:53 people into thinking like you you have to do this or bitcoin's gonna be doomed you know like that's 26:57 all they're doing they know it's dumb but think about how they frame it like have you read these 27:02 guys' tweets they frame things like it's guaranteed to pass the miners have to apply like it's just 27:07 yeah I know we could go over why that's not true briefly I think it I think it would be useful 27:11 because the the typical argument is okay you've got some giant group that doesn't care and you 27:16 have a intransigent minority from the seem to levy this tiny group that does care it's the three 27:24 kosher people or whatever and that's why every drink is kosher and but what they don't understand 27:29 is that this situation does not the analogy doesn't apply at all to this situation because 27:34 as soon as the you do the mandatory signaling and as soon as there's a block that doesn't signal 27:40 in august 8th or whenever that is then it will be which side but you know which side do you give up 27:47 on completely and if you give up on the side that has 99 percent of that hash rate you will you'll 27:52 just be on a the minority side and you will never get any they won't even get to 100 blocks and so 27:58 they won't even get no one will get paid at all I don't I don't get one block because they're 28:02 going to have that first like difficulty adjustment problem and it's going to take 28:05 like two days for the block to adjust they're going to have to hard fork twice 28:08 and like 48 hours think about it like this if they can get 0.5 percent at the current difficulty 28:15 they might be able to get you know one or two blocks or or maybe maybe even 10 you know sometime 28:23 in the first day or so I can see roughnecks getting like one block just to prove a point 28:28 right off the bat but once they realize the loss on that block they're gonna be like shit this 28:32 isn't like mining bitcoin to signal we're not getting precisely yeah it's very important for 28:38 people to to realize whoever minds that block there's a there's this thing called the maturity 28:42 period there's a 100 block maturity period which is I think one of the most ingenious 28:46 parts of satoshi's design and I think it's very very misunderstood what it does because for a 28:52 while there was an explanation from like Blockstream and Greg Maxwell about like I'm sorry 28:58 there's not an explanation from Blockstream and Greg Maxwell that was something like uh like it's 29:02 annoying to update the database and if there's reorgs you don't want to whatever I think it's 29:07 completely untrue the clever thing about this but first let me explain the rule it says as a miner 29:12 you don't get paid until the block that you mind has been buried by a hundred future blocks so it's 29:21 like you need to have basically you know the entire network in terms of mining and nodes 29:28 kind of ratify your block so when you mine a block today those coins are not spendable for 100 blocks 29:35 and what this means is that you aren't allowed to just mine like kind of for fun you're only you 29:41 only get paid if you mine in the blockchain that is the real one that we're all using so it has 29:48 an unbelievably strong applicability to this particular case because as you pointed out they 29:55 mine one or two blocks then what they're going to realize is we can't spend any of the coins we mind 30:01 as in that we received as so-called revenue so they pay a hundred percent of the cost 30:06 and they are looking at getting zero percent of the revenue for this end of any other future blocks 30:12 until they get to well I mean after that what they'll do is they'll just hard fork they'll 30:16 hard fork reduce the difficulty they might even adjust it to lwma instead of what we have on 30:21 bitcoin because the because the difficulty adjustment on bitcoin is kind of like retarded 30:24 it's old it's really bad right and so like you could update it so that every three four or five 30:29 ten blocks the difficulty adjusts based on lwma and then like luke is the kind of guy that'll like 30:35 centralize the fuck out of anything he needs to in the moment of course but what do you think 30:39 I mean this is the issue is someone doing the hard fork you know I can tell you that there are 30:45 even if you want to keep L1 exactly the same there are like hundreds if not thousands of 30:53 tiny little decisions you have to make like you know will you change the 30:57 well network magic will you change the name what will the where will it be located like what will 31:02 the github if he's not afraid of talking about the proof of work he's definitely not afraid of 31:07 changing the da brother you know I'm saying like you don't care yeah I'm just saying what do you 31:12 think like it would be called and what do you think like what do you think would you change 31:15 is he going to lower the difficulty is going to change the proof of work algorithm what is 31:19 he plays it by ear because I don't know if he really has a plan other than the control aspect 31:24 I know but it's like if you then it's a lot of decisions to just make like 31:28 I've been telling you from personal work he wants to change like on a random day okay well 31:36 look again these guys are not they're not verifying the code in the knots client you 31:40 might do they're downloading it because Luke tweeted download it right like they they don't 31:43 give a fuck it could be but it could be malware and they're happily downloading Luke's malware 31:48 you know they're cool with it so I think it's just like whatever hard forks he says are needed 31:53 and the mechanic agrees with him that's what the narratives the marching orders become 31:57 so if they need to adjust the the difficulty adjustment to make it actually be able to farm 32:02 the blocks or 100 blocks and make it cheaper on the hash rate so they don't have the proof of 32:06 work change until like next month they're gonna do exactly that or whatever right like they're 32:10 gonna they're gonna do whatever keeps the chain online because their whole their whole thing is 32:14 is like they think consensus is this is this like gray area and they think that they could fight for 32:19 the consensus like type of thing and like yeah there are they are admitting finally that it's 32:24 either dead in the water or it's gonna win automatically blah blah blah but like they're 32:27 also not admitting that they're really trying to get people to support this proof of work change 32:33 like they just don't know it yet so I don't know everything's gonna change in my mind they're gonna 32:37 call it bitcoin or whatever they're gonna say it's it's it's this is how it's supposed to be 32:41 real money and all this shit but I know but that all exactly all that has been done many times and 32:47 I think copying the name is a big mistake and I think probably the bitcoin cash people suffered 32:54 a lot just by not picking a different name because you know they go out you go out and 32:58 then you get a shill you want to show your new idea you want to tell the world oh we've got this 33:03 great idea you know it's called bitcoin cash and then people they just google like bitcoin or 33:09 bitcoin money or bitcoin something and they find btc is shilling showing the competitors uh 33:16 showing the competitors website this guy in chat down here is freaking out with emojis because if 33:22 you read the comments he's complaining he's complaining about you doing that stealing the 33:27 eCash name paul how are you how dare you paul steal the eCash name it is definitely belongs 33:32 to the 17th bitcoin fork and not you what is your well um you know uh I think that's uh it's it's 33:41 fair to say that no human like owns a name the way I see it you know eCash you know we've discussed 33:49 this many times where it was like eCash.com is available and the existing eCash project is like 33:56 180th on coin market cap so as far as I'm concerned they the name is sort of lived and died 34:02 there's like a tombstone like born dead and all this stuff was available.com etc so I don't think 34:10 that I don't think that someone can just plant the flag in the ground and claim every name 34:15 on like january 5th 1990 and just say I every single name is mine and you need to come 34:22 for permission if you want it the names kind of have an organic quality to it when people google 34:27 eCash they're going to find the they're going to find eCash.com so it's really like it's kind 34:32 of a center of gravity type of thing it's really it's actually the exact same logic if you think 34:37 about it where I'm saying because ours is going to be bigger we are the real you know we're actually 34:45 what people will mean when they use the name. So in an effort to front run Justin and Grev 34:51 since they're so polite and put their hands up and I'm an asshole uh is that why is that not 34:55 applied to Luke in the same way where if he wins and Knott's gets to be the number one chain why 34:59 can't he take over the name Bitcoin? No he can and he would. Oh shit. And I wouldn't complain 35:05 that's why I still use Bitcoin. Reverse, reverse, I take that back. I still use the name Bitcoin to 35:11 refer to today's Bitcoin because when a language is kind of like a theory so now you're going to 35:17 get too much information that you didn't want but you see a language when I talk to you I have 35:21 certain assumptions about what what do I think you and what do I think the audience means by 35:26 different things so that's the true name is what the audience thinks you're referring to it's not 35:34 even up to me or you it's just the context so if I were speaking to people who could speak Spanish 35:42 or or Dutch you know it might be different you know like um so spoiler alert Darth Vader's 35:51 name Vader is is I think Dutch for father so that would be a spoiler for people watching 35:59 a movie in English and I don't know what they did when they translated presumably when they 36:03 translated the movie and dubbed the movie they had to do something else maybe they just changed 36:08 it to Darth Father the English word and kind of hoped for the best or something else I don't know 36:13 but the point is the the language is not I don't think language works that way where it's like 36:19 you know the the Omri Sashay eCash just owns eCash forever because you know there was David 36:24 Chaum who had the original eCash but there's also the generic idea of just e starting with 36:29 something like an e-bike e-scooter e-ink display email you know everything there's just e you know 36:38 e-commerce so it's just yeah the uh especially for them no one really trademarked no one 36:46 trademarked it right I think it wouldn't really matter even if it did right because what if Roger 36:52 Veer trademarked Bitcoin and they tried to say Bitcoin Cash are you happy Vinicus are you happy 36:56 I shouted your stupid comment out could move on yeah I think it's a complete misunderstanding of 37:04 how language works it's just I in a way I would certainly say that the fact that Omri's eCash 37:10 went all the way down despite being a fork of a fork of a fork where like 80 to 90 percent of 37:17 the supply must be totally inactive because it must be just people who are actual BTC owners 37:22 who've never even heard of this and couldn't care less about it one bit and the fact that 37:27 the price is 0.000 with like six zeros going on and that the whole trading volume is a tiny 37:34 amount of money like less than three million dollars and the entire market cap is less than 37:37 100 million dollars in a way I think that proves that it's kind of like how everyone thinks well 37:43 we could all be Satoshi Nakamoto except for Craig Wright like Craig Wright's the only person who's 37:48 not Satoshi Nakamoto I would say that the the poor performance of the the Omri cash means it's 37:55 like they're the only ones who cannot be called I would almost say that they're the only reason 37:59 people are is because people prefer they need to use the words to sort things out they say I put 38:03 all the red shirts in this bin put all the blue shirts in this bin but this is no like they've 38:10 kind of like tried it out and failed is so but yeah this has been it's been asked about many 38:17 times people they're very upset about it and there's nothing we can do I had a whole elaborate 38:21 plan to help make them happy and everyone can see what happened as a result I had like pages of notes 38:28 and explanations and like a proposal for them and they invited me on their show and then they were 38:32 just like basically swearing at me and trying to say that I'm really terrible and they didn't even 38:36 let me get a word in edgewise and then they actually kicked me off like two sentences into 38:41 my speech and so I had like this whole thing planned you should blame Omri for running the 38:47 project a terrible way but yeah I think that's very funny but on the thing in the short conversation 38:54 I had they I was like okay what about bitcoin versus bitcoin cash because of course Omri 38:59 Sashay he's the one who created bitcoin cash so they were like oh it's completely different if 39:05 you put cash on the end it's completely different so I was like well then what if I just put what if 39:09 I just say eCash.com for everything and that's like kind of to be nice but also for other reasons 39:17 that's kind of like what I did like we mostly say eCash.com for stuff so it's kind of like 39:25 wait real quick he's happy to wait what about gay cash okay sorry Justin go um yeah let's go it 39:32 might be a good idea to catch to buy some of this other this fork of a fork you know the one that's 39:37 180 on coin market cap just in case some of the attention that this is going to get you know pumps 39:46 it from a fraction of a fraction of a penny up to anything and that's what I think I was thinking 39:53 like this is the best day this is the best day they've ever had is the fact that 39:57 they we could shine any light on their dying project so I would agree that honestly and that 40:04 was part of what I had again I had like pages of stuff I was going to say about and I also 40:10 messaged Omri like months before announcing it would have been when it would have been possible 40:15 still to change the name of this project and maybe sell him eCash.com of course after the 40:20 announcement that's completely impossible so but I messaged him before and Omri so the whole thing 40:27 is just like honestly completely baffling and it just I think it just proves like how completely 40:31 useless it is for anyone to even even talk to them. I might add as someone who helped 40:35 bully Omri off of Bitcoin Cash for months and months and months the guy's a massive douchebag. 40:43 Well I know that he's not very popular among lots of different people and even like he again he 40:50 they split off they kind of sabotaged SegWit2x in a way which I was not a supporter of SegWit2x 40:55 or Bitcoin Cash but I was a supporter of Bitcoin having healthy competition but they kind of split 41:03 the vote there was SegWit2x and Bitcoin Cash then after as soon as Bitcoin Cash split off 41:10 there was like problems with like Omri wanting to get paid and putting a mandatory like tax for 41:16 himself so apparently he kind of like ruined Bitcoin Cash and also ruined helped ruin BTC 41:23 as well by just you know again because the only competitor that's everyone's sole recourse but we 41:29 have to get to the important free samurai announcement and this is very important because 41:36 it's very arbitrary who's getting you know some people get harassed by the government and others 41:40 don't and they've been given a very unfair and I hope I just assume that everyone's already familiar 41:46 with the basic details but just to refresh they made a basically a Bitcoin wallet that had some 41:54 privacy features that aren't even that weren't even that good I don't even think CoinJoin is a good 41:58 privacy feature at all but they put out this software for free one of them is like in his 42:04 60s and doesn't even live in the United States lives in Portugal and these are just like two 42:10 normal guys I don't believe they really got so they actually had they were prosecuted for the 42:19 crime of unlicensed money transmission but they had already gotten a letter from or information 42:26 from I think the CFTC or whoever whoever it was saying that they are not a money transmitter and 42:32 I think even the prosecution knew about this but did not disclose it during discovery or something 42:41 so the point is they had to they ran out of money they uh because it's very difficult to go against 42:46 the government they had to take this terrible plea deal they've been sentenced to prison for five 42:51 years we already got the pardon with Ross Ulbricht so now people have been doing this free samurai 42:59 stuff for a while these fundraisers and things but I was not happy with it because it's clearly 43:04 not working and you know I ran into the uh the wife of um Rodriguez I can't remember her name 43:10 sorry about that and Lynn Ulbricht I met Lynn Ulbricht a few times over the years of course 43:16 she's super nice as mother of Ross Ulbricht she's she's really great but um you know they were kind 43:21 of going around like anyway long story short I think what we should try is we need and I put out 43:29 this out uh yesterday this is a $30,000 prize over a series of contests and the prize the contest 43:38 goes like this we're going to try to make it our mission in life to reduce the cost of Trump 43:46 pardoning these two and optionally more people because I think it could be to our advantage to 43:52 staple other people to this but I'll get to that in a second we want to reduce the cost of Trump 43:56 pardoning them as to as low as it could possibly be like imagine that the Trump people they don't 44:01 even have five extra seconds a day we want to get so the first thing is we must assemble this giant 44:07 document with like all the facts like in these different parts where we literally need the text 44:13 so that they don't even have to write the text of the pardon we're just going to copy and paste 44:17 the text from the Ross Ulbricht but the point is we're going to make this big PDF file or a 44:23 Dropbox link or whatever it is but I think a PDF file is good that has summary the exact text the 44:29 exact facts of the case we need like we're going to draft tweets that Trump could send 44:36 we're going to maybe get to get see what we can put together in terms of like a photo op like when 44:40 they did the I think it's called the ibogaine or the psychedelic legalization fast tracking 44:46 he did that where he had Joe Rogan they have all these people come in and they pass the microphone 44:50 around they all say oh Trump is so great for doing this that's what we need to do because we 44:55 need to set the and the midterms are coming up we have the stand with crypto they already did a lot 44:59 of work with this there's a 550 million 52 million voter block and we need to research you know that 45:07 who's vulnerable in the midterms and we just put all this information in a carefully crafted 45:12 document that's phase one and then once we have the document we just need to just get it out to 45:18 political people of all stripes definitely including republican supporters of trump who 45:24 may they may look at it and say oh this is a winning issue for trump we need i see we get 45:29 libertarian of florida giving the heart which is like because this is similar to what trump did for 45:33 libertarian party where he went to the libertarian party and said hey vote for me i'm actually a 45:38 pretty libertarian candidate uh and he had all that stuff about you know he came and spoke at 45:44 the libertarian national convention which the democratic candidate candidates did not uh you 45:50 know neither biden nor or kamala did but that's what we want we want them to be fighting over 45:56 our vote and we want when someone who is let's say let's say someone who's like a like a who is the 46:02 who's that guy victor hansen or someone who's just like a big trump supporter 46:07 someone who doesn't really care about crypto but we want them to see this pdf we want this to be 46:11 the thing we're going to optimize this meme basically and try to circulate it phase two 46:18 so that anyone who sees it will think okay this will just help trump win the election because 46:23 it's a good issue it's a moral issue and and we all similarly we want to shop it around to 46:28 the democratic party as well we want to say hey listen uh you could you know you could raise this 46:34 issue of trump the issue of hypocrisy that he's leaving his 53 million voters behind if he doesn't 46:40 and we just we just lay it out 53 million crypto owners in 46:48 the united states and we we lay out it's not really about it's about technological progress 46:52 and these people are not criminals they're not like you know it's going down the going down the 46:57 train stabbing people or or breaking into people's houses and stealing stuff they're putting out open 47:01 source software yo why are you such an asshole to paul paul you got to land the plane brother 47:06 glad you if you're going to host the fucking space you're going to help this man what the 47:09 hell are you doing paul you can't go on for 20 minutes about the same fucking question my guy 47:13 seriously we got we fell asleep all right five minutes ago 47:18 well the point is we're talking about free samurai okay thank you so go back a day to 47:26 my tweet and follow it to the article you can win ten thousand dollars in the first phase 47:32 so check it out it's a great opportunity for anyone who's uh 47:38 um it's not really it has to be like a pdf it has to be like a written thing so it's probably not 47:45 it's probably if you're like a lawyer or someone like that it's probably better for you better for 47:50 you to try try it out but um it's very important so i don't know if anyone has any if anyone has 47:57 if anyone has seen that or has any questions or 48:00 or thoughts about that but please come on up and 48:07 i just want to combine two of your points because samurai wallet was possibly one of the first 48:12 wallets to adopt a bit 47 and they were using something that's called pain names to generate 48:18 cute robot avatars for every user of the wallet with a dedicated vanity address like a name 48:26 that was pretty cool and now we're trying to get them out of prison which is also cool 48:35 so yeah everyone who heard this give it a try try to figure out how you can help the cause and maybe 48:41 claim that bounty and also do something that's great for the entire industry because i do believe 48:47 that bitcoin sort of died two and a few months two years ago and maybe a few months when the samurai 48:55 developers were arrested i think a lot a lot of the privacy projects just disappeared and it seems 49:03 like sailorism has remained as the dominant ideology in the space and then the crazy started 49:10 with their whole filtering situation it seems like the timeline has been altered in the moment when 49:16 these guys were arrested and honestly i was more of a fan of wasabi but also wasabi shut down after 49:23 samurai got arrested so you know it's good to have some sort of privacy in bitcoin and it's 49:30 really unfortunate that people like arthur hayes or whatever who was like oh dump on the plebs i 49:36 need to buy another ferrari in the internal chats he got a pardon but for the samurai guys it's more 49:42 difficult yeah i also want to add that the wasabi guys were probably federal agents and they are 49:49 probably the reason the samurai guys are in jail so let's not give them too much credit 49:54 really how so yeah so they spent their entire business model running their service so that 50:00 they could figure out how it works behind the scenes and undermine samurai talk shit about 50:03 them on the current on the timeline call them criminals and literally they were the number one 50:07 haters of samurai wally to this complete bullshit dude they were doing fucking money services 50:14 businesses without being licensed as being a money transmitter okay i i was warning all of 50:21 those guys like two years in advance when they started doing semi-custodial fucking lightning 50:26 payments i'm like dude you guys are gonna get fucking arrested you're gonna get taken in for 50:30 well who are you talking about transmitter all of them fucking blue wallet fucking uh samurai yeah 50:37 because samurai they were not into the lightning really uh anyway point being is they were doing 50:43 semi-custodial fucking things and they were getting paid fees for it the law is very very 50:50 clear on this they could have done everything for free and still be walking among us but 50:57 well that's interesting i don't think the law i don't think the law is very clear 51:01 personally it's time to find it mystifying but i think that's an interesting idea that 51:04 if they didn't charge a fee they would be okay i'm not sure that that didn't work necessarily for 51:10 um who's the other guy in florida well blue wallet shut down and then uh there were a couple 51:16 others wasabi shut down they followed their cease and desist when they got it from the fucking feds 51:23 yeah i should just point out that it's very hard to tell but both wasabi 51:27 and samurai they hate each other and each accused the other of being a fed and just personally i do 51:36 think that it's unlikely that the samurai devs are feds because they were arrested and prosecuted 51:44 and then bankrupted and then put in prison so i think if anything it means that the other guys 51:49 wasabi actually followed the cease and desist and ceased and desisted so yeah i'm not quite sure 51:57 if that's true i don't know that much about it but why would because i know some people francis 52:03 i think is a supporter of theirs and a user of theirs it's hard for me to imagine that he would 52:09 do that if they ceased and desisted or if they were a fed so it's a little confusing just based 52:16 on how little everyone knows about 110 before weighing in i'm i'm prepared to believe that 52:22 all the people weighing in on this don't necessarily know very much about it either 52:27 but continue an equal chance that we're all competing interests here that you know i'm a 52:32 banker or i'm a fed or whatever even though i'm not um but the the fact of the matter is dude we're 52:39 all crypto users and as far i wanted to comment on this eCash thing i didn't know i could just 52:44 unmute myself uh um if there are like three projects named eCash name your shit something 52:51 else you're you're just going to confuse people i mean and i'm not even going to get into like 52:58 legal stuff think that they were they could be coming back on you and saying hey yo we've been 53:02 listed on exchanges for like three years you have no right to name your shit the same as ours so 53:08 yeah i think you're just going to confuse people and you should probably look for another name 53:14 but we we would accept the name is we we would accept the name is not 53:19 rebrand we we would we would we're flexible yeah the name is not changing under any 53:26 circumstances so but that's interesting suggestion 53:34 it'd be like if i made a vehicle and then called myself volvo or volkswagen or ford i mean dude 53:42 really well we just we just talked about it for like 30 minutes why that's not the case but no 53:53 yeah um what if okay what if i told you this what if i was what if there was no no volvo and i was 54:00 going to create a volvo or ford but then someone said hey somewhere in in rural siberia there's a 54:09 fifth grader who put out like a plastic cardboard sign and he ended up with a sharpie marker he wrote 54:14 like volvo five dollars and he sold like like a hot wheels car but he didn't have any sales 54:22 and no one had ever bought anything available globally and where people could participate in 54:28 yeah no yeah because you could buy it globally but it but no one did so i'm just asking hypothetically 54:34 would you then say that no one can ever use the name just because a five-year-old somewhere 54:41 that's right once used it it belongs to the five-year-old right that's what you would say 54:47 yeah that's exactly well okay i know but is there a list is there a list of every time anyone has 54:55 ever used a name you know it's not even possible to comply with that rule well if that's the case 55:03 then david chum really owns the term of course yes obviously yes certainly omri sashay would not 55:10 own it it's just a matter of of confusion like i mean if you want people to pay attention to 55:16 yours that's not what you said that's not what you said you said if there's a five year excuse me 55:20 that's not what you said there's a case where there would be no confusion because there's a 55:24 pointless absurd example of a of a five-year-old in antarctica where there would know it not be 55:31 any confusion but you said no the whoever gets to it first is the owner right so do you still 55:36 believe that yes or no yes well then it's david chum would own eCash thank you there you go 55:43 there you go right so omri when's omri sashay going to change the name so are you going to 55:50 change the name well i'm just i'm asking the questions here this is the kgb david chum uh 55:56 went bankrupt and gave it up so to me it's free bang well i would think no he gave up eCash 56:04 the regents of the university of california they would probably own his research you know 56:10 yeah but you see this is the issue with like litigating this complex fluid thing of a name 56:15 whereas instead it's just whoever owns the domain and you know another little 56:21 another interesting little point that has nothing to do with us but eCash is owned by some weird 56:31 uh company i don't even think they're in the united states that transfers money you know 56:39 so and they and they and they own they own the uh uh copyright to it so technically 56:48 and eCash doesn't even own even on it and and they don't care any because that's nothing to do 56:54 with blockchain so at least that's what grock said maybe grock lied to me yeah but this is really not 57:02 fair because i can come up with a company and name it bitcoin and say that i'm producing physical 57:08 coins that have bits on them and whatever and then claim the trademark this is open source software 57:14 that we're talking about and these trademarks like we're not really companies building real 57:20 products we are open source projects that ship software and have users and advocates and marketers 57:27 and whatever so it's very different as a business model compared to a company that's actually in 57:33 brick and mortar world building something which is tangible so it's a lot more delicate when it 57:40 comes to internet trademarks and domains and whatever even in the world of domain you have 57:46 an expiration date you register it up to a certain point and as soon as you stop paying or you go 57:52 bankrupt you lose it and i don't think it's fair especially in this world where we had craig wright 57:59 that was suing developers and trying to pat and troll everyone in the space that it was necessary 58:05 for an association to get brought up and make claims against his claims just to be able to 58:15 well defeat him in court or whatever so it's really not cool that we we go back to trademarks 58:22 and whatever like if someone wants to use the same name of course it's going to be confusing for some 58:28 users but it's a free market and in the end it's going to be the market that chooses can i just add 58:34 that i just went to bitcoin talk you know one of the holiest of data resources in the space 58:39 and i typed in eCash and ethereum cash from 2017 is sitting right there on bitcoin talk.com so we're 58:45 gonna have to go talk to that developer and get his permission yeah exactly you know many people 58:49 have fed a mint it was it was a version of chow mein eCash is cashew eCash product they call 58:55 themselves eCash so that's why the whole thing is absurd yep yeah and as i said it's like saying 59:02 you have email or e-scooter or something and it's just it is but it is the nsa has a paper from 59:09 1996 that says um electronic cash yeah it's a very generic name water.com or something so it's not 59:18 like i don't the the real reason behind all this is that i think omri knows that his project is 59:24 basically dying and that the eCash name is basically the only shred of real value that 59:32 contains and so this is the final nail in the coffin for him and the the dev tax that he 59:38 kind of extracts and so so i feel bad for him but also i would plan on killing every single 59:44 altcoin including btc now i don't know if we'll succeed but that's the that's the plan so i really 59:51 it's bizarre to shed any tear for something that's ranked 175 our wonderful friend freedom 59:57 monk gave us the eCash chart it's down 78 over one year uh so i put that up top for reference 1:00:03 while we're discussing yeah it's it's quite funny that it's it's from it's very very very like we 1:00:08 would never no one on earth can even name the top 177 or whatever 167 that are ahead of in line 1:00:16 there's no no one would be able to name them all because many of them are just 1:00:21 you know by the time you cross onto the second page of coinmarketcap you're already in the graveyard 1:00:25 these are the these are the failed projects that have been tried already 1:00:29 and so these are already on the eliminated these are the eliminated list oh i just wanted to point 1:00:35 out my my objection is not adversarial toward you or your project or anything like that 1:00:41 i'm talking about for you as trying to be a successful project you should probably have a 1:00:48 very unique name something that doesn't like completely separates you from the previous 1:00:55 projects that's all i'm saying yeah but it does though yeah whatever i mean you know your project 1:01:03 will will probably succeed or fail on its own merits so i agree i think the name is not that 1:01:10 important and you wouldn't believe the amount of bike shedding i get every day about every single 1:01:15 thing about oh should we change the color to this or whatever and a lot of it is ultimately not that 1:01:20 important but this is what people like to do is they like to get involved on the decision that 1:01:25 they can control and so anyway no one wants to talk more about free samurai that's the most 1:01:29 important thing okay thirty thousand dollars ten thousand dollars over the next two weeks 1:01:34 oh i'm definitely getting in throwing my hat in the ring when we were at uh in vegas doing our 1:01:41 our little happy hour thing um the uh the wife um of the the main guy rodriguez wife yes mrs 1:01:50 rodriguez we should just call her that i don't know why because i can't remember her name either 1:01:54 yeah she she came up i don't know why she came up to me and and and and she was all nervous and she 1:02:02 said do you think he'll he'll get him out and and and i and i'll and i said i'll tell you what i 1:02:10 told lynn olbright i i said i said it's it's not a matter of if but but when it obviously is only in 1:02:19 for five years but i truly believe that that either the president or somebody will step in because 1:02:27 now i i i fully support him and they've already they already gave up like what 350 million dollars 1:02:34 was seized or something some some insane amount and this is something i wanted to bring up 1:02:40 which is that okay and so other similar if we staple more people in there are other people 1:02:45 have paid fines as well now it's a big difference between getting the quoted sentence versus the 1:02:51 full and unconditional pardon which is that the pardon i think that you either get that like 1:02:57 refunded or you don't have to pay the i'm not exactly sure but there are i think you there's 1:03:04 like different levels of the pardon and my guess is that trump does not care one bit what line of 1:03:09 text it says on the pardon after you know he's decided that he's gonna the people are wrongfully 1:03:15 imprisoned so i'm just you know i'm just throwing this out here i'm not trying to say any kind of 1:03:20 quid pro quo or anything but between okay we got a free talk live guy uh ian freeman right and uh 1:03:30 roger veer and so we stapled like six other names into this i'm not saying we necessarily should 1:03:35 but it's probably not it might make it easier to get the pardon because we could pool support from 1:03:41 different people and who knows there might actually be lots of money unlocked so i'm not going to say 1:03:47 like giant you know inflow of cash like giant party if we succeed or whatever but spf is spf in 1:03:55 this list or not well you know the thing i think that would make it much harder but i think well 1:04:01 the funny thing about spf of course is that as everyone's pointed out he was apparently like a 1:04:05 savant investor because if he had just invested his own money in all this stuff that he bought 1:04:09 he would make billions yeah he made an absurd amount so the moral of the story kids is if 1:04:16 you're in a genius investor just invest your own money don't invest don't steal other people's 1:04:21 money that they left they left with you yeah i just read something similar last few days ago 1:04:27 that's the moral of the story is that yeah i know he would be fine because people are like wow if he 1:04:31 had just whatever then yeah big if because he absolutely did the wrong thing and he's very 1:04:37 unpopular too it would be interesting like who knows how much crypto sam beckman freed and his 1:04:43 parents always people have my i have no idea because you would think you would think if trump 1:04:49 because everyone's always talking about how corrupt trump is right this is a very very common talking 1:04:53 point about oh everything's for sale but the fact that sam bangman freed is still in prison to me 1:05:01 that would kind of prove that either sam bangman free doesn't have that much money anymore or you 1:05:07 know trump is not everything's not for sale i mean doesn't that prove it seems like that just that's 1:05:11 a piece of evidence that just flies or completely this is all a waiting game to get the most 1:05:16 extraction out of him when he finally decides he's gonna pay i would believe that i would believe that 1:05:21 as well but i would think you know i think after the first two or three months i don't believe he 1:05:26 was real that i mean there's no way in hell he went around the world for five years in nothing 1:05:33 but short khaki shorts and a t-shirt and sandals and lecturing fucking legislators and regulators 1:05:39 about how to do their job and that he wasn't licensed with anybody he didn't even apply for a 1:05:46 fucking bit license so you want to tell me the nydfs sat there and listened to his bullshit 1:05:53 without even asking he paid many many different campaigns yeah he he donated and also he would 1:06:00 say stuff like well we have to operate in the bahamas because the u.s regulations are too 1:06:05 but he then he was trying to say we should improve the u.s regulation so that we can 1:06:09 move back to the united states so he did say a lot of weird stuff so he was actually required 1:06:15 by the nydfs to have a fucking bit license by virtue of the fact he had customers in new york 1:06:22 but yeah but doesn't he operate in the bahamas though and it's crypto there's no bank account 1:06:26 asked him about it no one ever i would believe that about it that's why i say he's fake didn't 1:06:33 exist just a fucking uh money laundering mill for the democrats hello everyone if possible 1:06:41 hello yes i'm sorry go ahead paul oh i thought you were going to say something 1:06:50 the point is we got this free samurai thing i think we could do it if we just rolled up 1:06:54 our sleeves a little bit okay midterms are coming up people are worried trump wants a mandate 1:07:00 democrats want to counter mandate uh elections are coming up we got a big voting block 52 53 1:07:08 million people there's lots of money there's lots of talent so we need to assemble we need to make 1:07:13 it so that my model my working model is that the trump campaign the trump staffers the republican 1:07:21 party they're very very very very busy so they need we need they need us to make this pdf so 1:07:27 that they can just print it out add it to their stack of stuff to read when they're on a plane or 1:07:31 something some junior staffer somewhere reads through it and they decide you know what this 1:07:36 has been researched very very thoroughly here are all the exact facts this is the worst case 1:07:40 scenario what we say all the bad stuff up front also we say all the facts so we say listen this 1:07:46 is a voting block it will make elizabeth warren and her war on crypto look bad it will make trump 1:07:53 look gracious we can put together we'll get we'll see who we can get to volunteer 1:07:58 ideally we would be able to get you know jesse from kraken brian armstrong all these people 1:08:03 to agree to go to the white house for a photo op and pass on the microphone and say 1:08:11 that it's so great that trump is supporting open source so ideally we would get that will we get 1:08:16 all that i don't know but we'll see you know if people if we can get people to volunteer that 1:08:21 would be really really good i don't know if we will be able to but we can at least i would draft 1:08:28 we could draft like you know tweets and stuff that trump can send and say the whole thing is 1:08:32 a witch hunt organized by the democrats which is basically true because it was all started in 2022 1:08:39 with the the dark times 1:08:42 um so that's free samurai so hopefully if anyone has any ideas of at all of any kind 1:08:49 please uh please send me a message unironically unironically the culture has to become something 1:08:56 along the lines of like there needs to be meme coins popping up on solana to get the 1:09:00 motherfucker out of jail type vibes uh at that at that level of like you know it needs to be a 1:09:06 at that level of like you know it needs to be a narrative right now it's very low-key underground 1:09:11 only people don't most people never use this kind of software or bitcoin or whatever i never used 1:09:17 yes they don't even understand like what this guy if he even did anything wrong they just kind of 1:09:21 think like crab like oh he broke the law and then that's why we need to have this this counter 1:09:26 antibody meme pdf where just this is the one-stop pdf and it's like a table of contents and it just 1:09:33 has everything you need to know and there's no lies in it and there's just well no i don't 1:09:38 know if that matters look at look at look at all the like the big big big events people don't look 1:09:42 at the details of what happens with like the guy that well maybe not but we need to put it all in 1:09:47 one place to make it as easy as possible so that everyone knows this is the one stop i think it 1:09:50 needs to be less is more simple there's going to be a one-page summary on the top people can't 1:09:57 needs to be auto pin friendly yeah people don't know how to read in 2026 have you looked at the 1:10:02 literacy rate uh right it's fucked that is i think you're onto something there but the pardon 1:10:08 is in the form of a written document so it's going to have to become a pdf at some point 1:10:12 can we do like a tiktok dance that would be helpful unironically 1:10:18 tiktok dances to free roman storm and if that would help then we could try it but i don't 1:10:23 think that it will help i think what will help is if we have actual numbers on these are the 1:10:29 voters who will be voting in the midterms x percent of them own crypto so wouldn't you like 1:10:37 to have a nice talking point and we'll here's a list of people who will retweet your tweet 1:10:42 here's a list of people who do photo op and again we could donate if it was about money 1:10:46 we could donate to you know super packs or whatever like i'm not gonna lie ross didn't 1:10:50 get out because of money ross got out because of his mother and the fact that everybody was 1:10:55 talking about free ross for so long that yeah i know but how do you think that happens it takes 1:10:59 it takes well yeah you gotta start somewhere right even charles was talking about it so the 1:11:04 best way to virally yeah i know the idea is the simpler social media blast type situation 1:11:13 yeah but i think writing it all out no well you might be right but if so i kind of am concerned 1:11:19 for the world because i think i think you have to have it kind of both ways where you need 1:11:25 there has to be some substance to it i don't think it's just pure vibes you know like if it is then 1:11:35 you know it's kind of like maybe the vibes will just change and they'll just throw everyone in 1:11:38 jail again you know it's kind of like at the end of the day i think it's like live by the 1:11:43 vibe die by the vibe you know whereas the substance is a little bit more 1:11:49 it's harder to change when it's so connected to reality itself so i think that the people 1:11:54 still respect that even if no one reads they may glance they may open the pdf 1:11:58 glance at it for 14 seconds and think ah it seemed like someone figured this out and then 1:12:05 just decide to go along with it and i and if so then i'll take it maybe we should wait until the 1:12:11 clarity act is passed i don't think we should wait pause i don't think we should wait well 1:12:19 maybe but i think we should just assume that you should never wait for feds or bankers 1:12:27 i think we should just assume it's going to go very slowly busting him out of jail can we just 1:12:32 do that please bust him out yeah well the problem with that is then they will find him later so he 1:12:38 won't be able to just uh walk around and hang out with his wife and stuff so that's not really 1:12:44 that big of an upgrade he did voluntarily surrender like a dumb ass instead of going 1:12:48 to mexico god damn it remember ross had a uh had a a big big thing uh his the guy who's still in 1:12:57 prison had a uh had a big plan on getting ross out of prison he said he was going to get a 1:13:02 helicopter and go over the over the over the yard and he was going to reach down and grab his arm 1:13:08 and pick him up off the off the field yeah yeah like so here's what i'm trying to this is what 1:13:13 i'm trying to say though i'm not joking like obviously this is serious i am just illustrating 1:13:17 that these memes are far more entertaining to talk about people will last they will they will 1:13:23 make memes about breaking samurai dev out of jail etc etc far more than they will have an honest 1:13:29 adult discussion about this okay that's what i'm saying yeah but i think so like how did ross end 1:13:34 up with all that stuff about hashtag free ross and uh no but how do you end up with hashtag how do 1:13:40 you end up with all these people talking about it which is that the people realize that it's 1:13:43 their own interest no i agree yeah i agree but that's what that's what i you want people to 1:13:49 you show people something someone who doesn't care about this like i was talking about victor 1:13:54 davis hanson or someone like that where by the way he he certainly reads and uh you know a 1:14:01 tucker carlson or whatever which maybe he can read i don't know it's unclear but i got that 1:14:06 these type of people where you would show them this thing and they would look at it and they 1:14:10 would say it doesn't it doesn't matter what they think about crypto or samurai they would 1:14:15 just read it and they would think okay the pardon would help trump win because it would result in 1:14:21 this photo op it was all result in these grateful people it is this huge voting 53 million voting 1:14:27 demographic so they would then they would say purely to help trump win or i don't know what 1:14:35 tucker carlson wants these days because they haven't looked in a while but assuming that 1:14:39 he's still conservative they would they would add it into their their stuff of stuff to say 1:14:45 and then eventually you end up okay but how often did we discuss when we talked about free ross how 1:14:51 often did we discuss the fact that the fbi agents were now in jail they broke the law over and over 1:14:56 like all this sometimes no i knew about it i i knew about it you guys are two of the biggest 1:15:01 fucking nerds i know on crypto twitter okay first yeah but that's what i'm saying is it starts with 1:15:06 it's like there's some people are easy to get and other people are hard to get most most people just 1:15:10 do hashtag free ross even though if he killed the guy or not whatever yeah but they copy 1:15:15 but they copy the smart people they like they copy the guy he was supposed to kill if anybody 1:15:21 cares oh my god it's green he's here he was the guy who 1:15:28 he survived though you see the point though like they don't care about a lot of the details is my 1:15:33 point they just say a lot of people don't but some people do so we need the hashtag free 1:15:39 but i think what paul is saying is the influential people 1:15:43 they will want to know that it's not they will want to know that it's not just a lie 1:15:48 like ansem and fucking these idiots you sorry you they that's the retarded influence this 1:15:53 industry now and you guys are kind of washed out i'm sorry let's be real me too 1:15:58 like we got to get the memes so we got to get the memers on this shit we can't just rely on 1:16:02 the bitcoin retard maxis okay dude i i tried warning samurai wallet and and tornado cash and 1:16:09 those guys when they were starting their business and i was looking at what their thing did i'm like 1:16:15 you guys are going to get pulled out for for fucking money transmitting whether or not you're 1:16:19 actually guilty of it that doesn't matter it's it's how they choose to interpret the law and as 1:16:26 far as ross ulbricht is concerned he he never should have gone to prison he fucking made a 1:16:31 website that's all he was responsible for well yeah you could say the same about the privacy 1:16:35 devs though so like why are we here because the memes aren't strong enough and the government 1:16:39 didn't understand that there's like a bunch of people here that are going to do this regardless 1:16:43 and they should just chill well the difference there is that those services actually compete 1:16:50 with banks you know yeah but six floats still online and no one's going to go after them you 1:16:54 can't you don't even know who they are because they're criminals and and like that's what we're 1:16:57 going to get stuck with if they don't let the honest guys build privacy tech like they know that 1:17:02 right they should know that like they're not they're not getting side shift they're not getting 1:17:07 fixed float they're not getting any of these guys because they're in russia and shit using 1:17:11 decentralized protocols like that's smart on them then well they're gonna break the law okay these 1:17:17 guys are trying to follow the law and like dox themselves and be american about it and they get 1:17:21 fucked like how is that cool we need to make the memes about breaking them out of jail because 1:17:25 that's the popular thing to get everyone to be like what the fuck are these guys talking about 1:17:29 oh these americans went to jail for privacy tech that's it done shut the fuck up let them digest 1:17:34 that all right that's it well you guys go hard with all this okay shit now but i think here's 1:17:38 the thing i think the two strategies complement each other because memes are funny and they get 1:17:44 people's attention they spread quickly and they're great but i think you still need to have something 1:17:50 where someone says what's all this about then you can just be like bang link them to the pdf 1:17:55 and then just then just drop the issue and ignore them and you can be like well hey all everything 1:17:58 you need to know is in here and you can read it if you want or you can just not read it but here 1:18:05 it is so i think that the two the two strategies i think complement each other um anyway phase two 1:18:14 all right now what are you doing again with the you're running some sort of contest on yes i am 1:18:23 for the free samurai guys to write a that's right okay and i'll go check out your site i have a big 1:18:29 outline to get people started i'm sure the outline plus fable will probably get us like eighty percent 1:18:37 of the way there and then i'm hoping because it's a contest you have to win you have to beat the 1:18:41 other people prizes for first second and third eight thousand for first place thousand for second 1:18:47 thousand for second and third place then we revise it twice and the and i think just just 1:18:55 free alpha for all of you listening the winner will probably be someone who who combines it with 1:19:01 the probably at least ian freeman uh it's hard though because it's hard to really replicate 1:19:08 the context of how small bitcoin was in 2014 and even roger veer was accused of like misreporting 1:19:14 his bitcoin taxes in like 2013 which is like are you kidding me in 2013 if you called up 1:19:19 the irs and you said i want to pay taxes on my bitcoin they would have just laughed at you 1:19:23 and instead roger hired this super expensive world-class law firm and i'm certain that he 1:19:28 did exactly whatever they told him to do oh yeah who knows if they even knew just the point is 1:19:35 he had two months um the statute of limitation was two months before the the feds nailed him 1:19:44 clearly they you know i think it's clear to me that they wanted to make an example out of him 1:19:51 just because he was a very prominent bitcoiner which is really sad well and he also pissed off 1:19:57 a lot of traditional bitcoiners and i think they had a vendetta against him and so we had a lot of 1:20:04 enemies and enemies and so they they they pushed the government um uh to to kind of do that that's 1:20:11 my opinion anyway but it was yeah it's very easy for me to believe that certain people 1:20:18 shall remain nameless but they could have easily like compiled an extremely specific 1:20:24 technical document because there's like the 15 finders fee also so it's very easy for me to 1:20:30 believe that one of roger veer's haters made like a giant report like what i'm saying about samurai 1:20:37 but evil version and uh and sort of sent it over and kind of you want that's what we want to do 1:20:42 with the free samurai thing we want to serve it on a silver platter we want to say here's all the 1:20:46 facts we did all the work here's all the ways in which arguably maybe they were guilty just to put 1:20:53 that in there so that trump knows that he could trust in trump's team know that they could trust 1:20:57 the document because they're already in prison so it's like whatever we should put stuff you 1:21:01 know we should put anything in there that helps them trust the the integrity of the document and 1:21:07 then uh so that's what we need to do we got to serve it up on a silver platter so that they don't 1:21:12 have to lift a finger every time they check something in the document they found oh this is 1:21:17 this document is exactly accurate everything in here is true so that when we say that this is a 1:21:24 totally pointless crime about people writing open source code and this is nothing at all like 1:21:33 unlicensed money transmission and and there's enormous amounts of actual fraud taking place in 1:21:39 other systems that's never prosecuted and this whole thing is ideological and that it's a 1:21:45 chilling effect on innovation and entrepreneurship so they believe all that when we actually say that 1:21:49 and then he just says yeah whatever trump's like yeah i'll have he needs a photo op on a random 1:21:53 wednesday and we can make that happen for him at least i hope we can i could call in a few favors 1:22:03 hopefully we get some people to volunteer to go obviously trump is an extremely controversial 1:22:09 figure i think someone using ai slop to make an ai slop break them at a jail video game on flash 1:22:15 uh put it on a website that would probably get way more engagement and success than like we could 1:22:19 actually get some momentum here than us having a pipe dream of donald trump saving our ass like 1:22:23 are you guys serious well what do you mean other than that about breaking them out we have to ask 1:22:29 them out we have to ask the next guy donald trump's not doing shit for you bro are you kidding me 1:22:34 well it won't matter because it's a five-year timeline so the reason they're in jail 1:22:41 and the wasabi devs are not is because the wasabi devs 1:22:44 followed the um finson um blacklist or blacklisted coins 1:22:50 i don't know that may be true that could easily be true i don't know enough about it 1:22:59 um it could be but the reason why we have to try something like railgun right now on ethereum 1:23:06 is allowed and also why tornado cash is still around but they have this filtering where they 1:23:13 receive from blockchain analysis firms a list of UTXOs that are not supposed actually on ethereum 1:23:19 they don't have UTXOs they they have accounts addresses so they do have like a list of 1:23:25 participants that they're not allowing to join and maybe that's what makes them fine 1:23:31 honestly what i think got the samurai developers in trouble was the social media activity where 1:23:38 i think after the ukraine war started they were tweeting well russian oligarchs if you want to 1:23:43 launder your money or whatever come use samurai or whatever so i think that's what got them in 1:23:49 trouble the speech it wasn't necessarily the tool itself it was the perception of what you can do 1:23:54 with the tool um i agree i think they had very edgy marketing which was terrible when they 1:24:04 they had to like have they're in a situation where you know the prosecution could have like 1:24:12 printed that up and make a big poster board of the tweet and like showing it to the jury 1:24:17 and it wouldn't look out of context or when it not as a joke it would look really bad 1:24:23 so i would completely agree um the reason we have to try now because i just want to 1:24:30 quickly say we have to try now because the midterms will be over soon and then if 1:24:37 david bipp 110 fake fake 110 is right that we have to go to the next president that will already 1:24:47 be another like two and a half years so there'll already be like three and a half years into the 1:24:51 five-year sentence and so kind of just like won't be as worth it so this is the only time 1:24:59 i want to say everyone to please donate to curtis green to his gofundme and then 1:25:05 specifically i know that i read his curtis's book he's here on stage and that i wanted to say that 1:25:13 you can if there was some way that we could petition the government to give you back the 1:25:19 bitcoin that you legally mined that's rightfully yours and that was mined on your computers in a 1:25:25 such a way that they can save face and not make them look bad that would be the the best way to 1:25:32 do it but i don't know how to how that would go about or how to do that 1:25:41 yeah everyone should donate to curtis greens go find me um hopefully you can find the link to it 1:25:50 someone put the link hopefully um that would hurt i'm just gonna be real with you brother 1:25:56 you're probably better off launching a salon of shit coin getting over with my man uh welcome 1:26:02 back to the the mud uh let me just say the mud is the best metaphor you can give it 1:26:09 and all these fucking assholes ain't donating shit they're assholes now bro they don't they 1:26:12 don't got no libertarians left around this bitch they're all a bunch of salon of shit coiners 1:26:16 they always want to fork each other's shit and talk shit about each other behind each other's 1:26:19 back and work with fucking chinese government and praise the fucking of wallahi's michael 1:26:25 saylor bought more coins like i don't know you the better way is just to drop the salon of shitter i 1:26:29 think and then be like i'm the guy that you know etc salon of shitter had here's my banner here's my 1:26:35 ticker uh it's probably easier you're probably right you know like uh maybe if curtis you could 1:26:48 like talk to some lawyers maybe you know uh make some kind of contingency arrangement and go after 1:26:53 those bitcoin that would be cool you know it's something you might take off it's a reasonable 1:26:57 shot yeah it's a good idea yeah there's there's so many you know my my where i screwed up was 1:27:06 i only had like so many years um because the cops violated my civil rights 1:27:12 and um i didn't know that i was just getting myself out of my own mess and 1:27:17 had i paid more attention he's saying the statute of limitations may be up on them 1:27:22 yeah they're up they're up on them yeah they you know and i and i if i was thinking straight i 1:27:28 could have not only gone after them but i could have gone after the federal government because 1:27:32 they were under um they were they were doing it under their duty they were they were doing it under 1:27:38 uh while they're working you know and it wasn't like on the side and but it is what it is 1:27:48 and i missed that opportunity i guess but all i can do i mean didn't curtis didn't two fbi agents 1:27:57 go to prison yeah well yeah yeah one was a dea agent and one was a secret service agent and he 1:28:06 was on the obama detail um uh at this at the same time he was stealing um the bitcoin and and and 1:28:14 what he was doing was he was he he was stealing the bitcoin and making it look like i stole he 1:28:21 was making vanity addresses like the first vanity address catherine han you know the old 1:28:27 coinbase vice president she's the one who who prosecuted it and and she goes we're not we 1:28:32 looked at that at vanity address it was number one and it was curtis screen sr and they like 1:28:39 who in their right mind would put send a thousand bitcoin stolen bitcoin with their own name on it 1:28:46 so that was my that was my first uh uh uh help that uh that sean bridges gave me uh 1:28:55 and and and and and and then and then he then they cashed most of it out and then 1:29:00 he he hit he hit it he hit he hit like two or three thousand um bitcoin and he he lied about 1:29:07 it until he was prosecuted sentenced and then they found it and they added a couple more years 1:29:12 to it so uh which which they got off very light uh they got i think six or seven years apiece 1:29:20 um but for what they did you know i i had to testify in their um i didn't testify in their 1:29:27 trials but i i testified as a victim uh and and it oh they were they were just they were just so 1:29:37 evil they were just everything that they did was oh you just can't describe 1:29:44 you know i would let's put it this way i'd like a room just five minutes with sean bridges 1:29:50 but and and but yeah they are they they have nothing you know he they they just did everything 1:29:59 in their power to uh you know put you know to make like like who are they going to believe 1:30:04 they're going to believe federal agents i mean here he was in the nsa and the secret service 1:30:10 and then the de agent or they're going to believe a guy that worked on silk road 1:30:15 you know i i was i was an easy patsy for him and and if it wasn't for the blockchain this is 1:30:23 where i was the blockchain saved my ass because it showed all the transactions show i mean it was 1:30:31 where they went you know it was it was the perfect paper trail and and and and i thought oh thank god 1:30:39 for the blockchain just think just think if those agents had used samurai they might have 1:30:46 and then yes exactly so uh you know so well but i i'm still before the samurai guys getting out 1:30:56 but but but still though that would have that would have caused a lot of problems for me had 1:31:02 you know because yeah i was joking but the government didn't give a rat's ass about 1:31:08 me doing it working on silk road what they cared about they wanted they wanted those 30 000 1:31:14 bitcoin that i apparently stole that's all they cared about and and i'm like like well i can't 1:31:21 i didn't steal it i'm not gonna lie curtis if just you know the fact that you could have had 1:31:27 30 000 bitcoin and you don't right now it's kind of that's on you bro like we'll chalk it up to the 1:31:31 end you better get into the trenches you better get a fucking phantom wallet you better throw 1:31:35 20 at a rug i know i gotta start i gotta start dollar cost averaging right now 1:31:44 oh brother what a what a time well you still maybe joe's right like you might want to i know 1:31:54 this is the last thing that david wants to hear but you might want to type up all the facts into 1:31:57 like a bullet point and then and then you could go to because a lot of them they'll take a contingent 1:32:03 you know which is like they they don't get paid unless you know you pay nothing unless they win 1:32:08 and maybe it's the whole thing is just so embarrassing for the government that they 1:32:11 even though i don't know how the timeline works but i would i would rather you hear it from 1:32:17 someone with lots of lots of experience you know these giant i just find it crazy you guys 1:32:23 don't have faith in the system that's all i mean good luck i have fun i hope you're the best 1:32:27 hmm okay wait it's possible 1:32:34 maybe i mean there might be a problem with uh statute of limitations but 1:32:38 god paul there might be but of course but i'm not sure like if the amount is really big doesn't it 1:32:47 like start to like go up to like being like like doesn't it eventually become like a class a felony 1:32:53 or something and then i don't know i don't know i don't know the rules i don't know any of the 1:32:56 rules i don't know what i'm talking about i'm just curious about david bip 110 not his real name 1:33:04 but he's from washington not france and i'm just wondering how old you are i just want to know 1:33:10 because there's like you know there's waves there's waves of like cynicism there's like 1:33:15 generational waves you know i'm having a midlife crisis and i've spent the last 15 years arguing 1:33:20 about bitcoin i apologize i know a little bit pessimistic so you're like about 35 you say 1:33:25 yeah see i would have thought that that would have made you like a hardier millennial because 1:33:30 you lived in the before time before when there was only a long instant messenger i've spent 1:33:35 i was the last uh i don't know how long like i started with bitcoin obviously but then i got 1:33:41 into like the every altcoin like literally worked on half the core team art coin shit coin projects 1:33:47 you guys made fun of forever because these guys didn't know anything about anything so i would 1:33:49 just go around helping them understand crypto but like uh yeah i did d5 and shit coins i've 1:33:54 done everything i'm just tired i'm exhausted i hate all of you i think everyone's a larp we've 1:33:58 gone down such a wrong path of crypto like the best thing i can do is sit around in ordinals 1:34:02 and make fun of people as a bitcoin puppet these days and not lose my mind um because everyone's 1:34:07 larping and everyone's jerking each other off and then michael saylor shows up and they want 1:34:11 to suck his dick and it's just like i don't even recognize this industry anymore honestly 1:34:15 so uh yeah i'm just kind of joking half the time i mean i agree with a lot of that like 1:34:20 how the industry sucks oh sorry uh no i i agree with that too but i just wanted to point out that 1:34:27 as somebody who's been involved since the very beginning i could easily state that it's always 1:34:33 been this way and we only noticed it because we got involved in it yeah that's fair no i get it 1:34:42 um i don't know it's just too much to talk about for me personally if you guys want to listen to 1:34:45 me yeah for a fucking hour maybe but you don't want to um but yeah i feel you uh it's just like 1:34:50 i like i said i just do bitcoin puppet troll people like right now we're trolling the bit 1:34:53 110ers because it's fun not because they're intimidating or anything it's just like we got 1:34:57 nothing else to do right so let's go make fun of these retards you know uh and that's the life 1:35:01 that's the life of i'm stuck here i can't leave i'm i didn't get 30 000 bitcoin like curtis did 1:35:06 and lie about it for 15 years and then hiding in an island somewhere you know i can't do that i i 1:35:11 have to earn it i got robbed uh so i have to earn it back twice and then i and then i lost it all on 1:35:15 shit coins and nft so i got to earn it back again a third time like i'm i'm i don't have any hair 1:35:20 left what do you want from me dude if you've got that much iq in this space under your belt you 1:35:26 could start an altcoin yourself i already know i forked bitcoin seven years ago and it's still 1:35:32 running it's called the vault and we're updating it with on-chain uh ordinals right now thank you 1:35:36 though good i i hope it doesn't have a block size limit because that's the only thing holding 1:35:41 it's at 32 megabytes right now because no one uses the chain and but we could adjust it we don't care 1:35:45 we're just trying to do everything on chain on a bitcoin UTXO stack without going to L2s and we're 1:35:49 gonna make paul's coin go to zero oh sorry but seriously competition is good because like pro 1:35:58 competition the way they they began enforcing it they they set it to where it didn't even go into 1:36:03 effect until 2014 so like if you look back at bitcoin's adoption if you look between 2012 and 1:36:11 2014 it was the greatest retail expansion that it's ever had and as soon as we could no longer 1:36:18 depend on our transactions going being included in the next yeah you're talking to someone who's a 1:36:23 big walker crab you know this come on don't lecture me brother i'm just saying for the for the crowd 1:36:28 here i okay okay for the crowd sure hi i'm dancing you guys want to see my dick uh no um paul i think 1:36:35 the thing is is like i want i want us before we get to paul's solution for scaling i want to see 1:36:39 us do what you're saying i want to see us pump as much L1 activity as we can humanly push 1:36:43 reasonably so that the chain still works properly and all that stuff but i don't want to see this 10 1:36:47 minute block i want to see two minute blocks i want to see you know 32 megabyte on L1 bitcoin 1:36:53 stuff like this and people are going to yap about their raspberry pies could eat my asshole 1:36:57 okay but first of all haven't we done that already with haven't we seen people push the 1:37:02 boundary on L1 which include bitcoin sv as well as solana i'm not no no no no no because then you 1:37:07 guys all disregard the argument that the reason bitcoin is in charge isn't because of tech the 1:37:11 reason because big is charged because it has the most fucking velocity of brand and things like 1:37:15 this like everyone just throws all that out the window and they're like well look at bitcoin cash 1:37:18 that failed so obviously the technicals are irrelevant like that's the dumbest don't do that 1:37:23 don't do that please you can make me mad it's right now not because of tech the one megabyte 1:37:29 block size on bitcoin is inferior to reality guys come on right now the one megabyte block size 1:37:37 on bitcoin isn't full so i just i don't see it's a binding constraint you know why it's not full joe 1:37:42 you know why it's not full because we spend 12 hours a day telling people to go use solana and 1:37:47 not onboarding them to bitcoin and telling them that bitcoin isn't meant for anything except for 1:37:50 holding michael saylor's bags that's what we tell them yeah it's not all about marketing though 1:37:55 you know like the fees are low they could use it they don't we gotta make we do no we do we do what 1:38:01 do you think half the transactions are right now do you even know what's going to the mempool right 1:38:04 now i do it's not bitcoin transactions i'll tell you that yeah let me just ask you then 1:38:12 it's a bunch of shit coins on on indexers that's what it is sure but okay so here's the thing you 1:38:16 said we we need to do is push L1 that's what you said and i'm just saying i'm just asking what does 1:38:23 that mean like what would it look like if we did i want to see what are you waiting for i want to i 1:38:26 want to see 2015 2016 full block steam adoption levels of usage again and then well i don't can't 1:38:32 you just shouldn't you just launch just launch more more um whatever more uh ordinaries sure 1:38:37 well we got this have you ever heard of Blockstream i think it would literally well to 1:38:42 fill up the blocks today i mean if it's really one sap for a b-byte it was also like 20 labs paul 1:38:48 have you heard of adam back have you heard of the federal government okay so they all want us to 1:38:53 believe that using L1 is a sin and we are polluting the world especially luke also lightning network 1:38:59 and we should open a channel and we should open 1.5 billion channels to scale to current activity 1:39:04 levels and that we should um not realize that lightning requires a larger block size and that 1:39:09 we should lie to people endlessly about the future of bitcoin without proving it right now 1:39:13 and all these other stupid things so like i don't you guys get me hit me with this well we'll go 1:39:17 fill up the blocks like well what do you think ordinals is doing why do you think i'm in ordinals 1:39:21 i'm in ordinals too unlike everyone else who wants to run off and do their own thing and cry about 1:39:25 boohoo i am actually here trying to push the block size to be used properly and everyone's 1:39:31 and moaning oh it's i know but i know but i know but you were saying instead of 1:39:37 the eCash august ecx hard fork instead of my idea basically you're saying instead i like your idea 1:39:43 i like your idea but i'm just saying like i hate that we're getting you say i want i prefer push 1:39:47 L1 and then you say it has to be like it was in 2014 2015 but that's how it was in 2014 2015 and 1:39:52 that did not immediately result in the utopia right so that can't be the only ingredient 1:39:57 because of politics though well that's but that's part of what this project's trying to solve 1:40:03 bitcoin anymore because the minimum fee is too high right because it's too unstable and you don't 1:40:09 know what you're gonna pay the delay also rbf rbf was the original sin i will sit on that i will die 1:40:15 on that hill i think even framing it in terms of fees is actually misses the point also which is 1:40:20 to say when the blocks were full you wouldn't necessarily know how long it would take to even 1:40:27 people would try to pay then it wouldn't go through and they would call customer service 1:40:31 that's why we wanted bigger and bigger blocks and a faster block time that solves that problem yeah 1:40:37 supposed to be including them as we receive them not resorting them based on the transaction fee 1:40:43 yes yes yeah so bid pay would get i think they said like 45 times as high the customer is a 1:40:52 federal agent amari section is a federal agent lucas is a federal agent adam back is a federal 1:40:58 agent greg fucking everyone's a federal agent like what the fuck why are we stuck in a room 1:41:03 with everyone i don't like is a fed is definitely a federal agent can i have this one about the 1:41:10 block wars i feel like there's some important details that's that are not in the book the 1:41:17 block size wars can anyone with that was around that era you're talking about you're talking about 1:41:22 jonathan book jonathan's book i couldn't quite hear you were just saying was anything omitted 1:41:27 from the book it's not my book show war that's not in that book i gotta go flip through the book 1:41:34 and quickly reread the entire thing to remember exactly what's in there because i know what i 1:41:38 know what really happened because i lived through it and i've read the book i know but i can't 1:41:42 remember what's not i can't remember the thing is we all live through it but we all think different 1:41:46 things so what the fuck actually happened i'm talking to i'm talking to jonathan a few times 1:41:51 and i think he and i actually agree on that the orthodox story is not accurate and he and i agree 1:41:58 that really mostly what happened was um the large blockers were a little too overconfident in their 1:42:06 ability to pull off the hard fork it had very little to do with who was right about the block 1:42:10 size war and they kind of you know um mike hearn was pushing for xt and they thought they thought 1:42:20 this between having you know uh all these big companies bitpay and uh coinbase and 83 of the 1:42:28 miners on our side we represent the real center of gravity in bitcoin and so then they they signed 1:42:36 they had a number of ham-fisted implementations so imagine large blocks are a really good idea 1:42:42 you got to separate the idea from the execution the it's just purely a statement of fact that 1:42:49 whatever they proposed was not large blocks they proposed bitcoin classic two megabit bitcoin xt 1:42:53 was eight megabytes bitcoin classic was two megabytes then SegWit2x was sort of like 1:42:58 4.4 megabytes or it's kind of hard to explain exactly what that was and then finally bitcoin 1:43:03 cash so even if you thought large blocks were the answer that was never put forward by them and in 1:43:10 fact gavin andreason i remember specifically he tweeted and he went on reddit and he said no one 1:43:15 is proposing an unlimited block size so back then no one was pushing we had the same conversation 1:43:22 now like we can't keep going back and saying okay well we decided this 10 years ago we decided this 1:43:26 10 years ago like the circumstances are now different i'm not saying we should the question 1:43:30 was what what happened in the book sure that was different and so i'm saying the author of the book 1:43:35 and i agree that what really happened was the large blockers they they kind of didn't they 1:43:42 jumped the gun on various things they tried this and that and they jumped the gun and kind of failed 1:43:46 and that that's what happened it actually had very little to do with i have a more glorious 1:43:50 thing on what wasn't included because he didn't he didn't like the book isn't really in like a 1:43:55 conspiratorial way right like it's just more about like a personal view of the things and like some 1:43:59 other people's views yeah like if you go to conspiracy level stuff though like we now know 1:44:04 that like epstein funded in part you know some Blockstream stuff we now know a couple of these 1:44:08 weird modern you know takes on things that like and then you take all what epstein was into what 1:44:14 they were doing clearly there could have been in a conspiratorial way an effort to you know it 1:44:19 inspire some form of early control into Blockstream with like being austin hall being a co-founder 1:44:24 with epstein these kind of things right these relationships that sort of create perverse 1:44:28 incentives like within the team and then like people like greg maxwell clear fed you know 1:44:33 there's something wrong with that guy uh you know all these guys have something wrong with 1:44:36 luke or something i don't know how the fuck there are you know i don't it's weird bro it's weird it's 1:44:43 like they put people in charge of things because they have control of them and that's what it feels 1:44:47 like to me everywhere i look in this fucking space these days and it's like how do you not i think we 1:44:52 don't need the ad hominem though because if but if they are it's true that they are weird and it's 1:44:58 true they have bizarre personalities how is that greg well he literally tells us on reddit to our 1:45:07 face that he's doing botnets to silence us like what yes of course and he called himself as master 1:45:11 of master of socks like master that's that's not like something we call hey that's a fed that is a 1:45:17 federal fucking agent well and here's the thing it doesn't matter who says it it's either true 1:45:24 or it's false and then you can you can always play this game where you can say well actually 1:45:29 he was a fed but he was a good fed he was secretly trying to sabotage the feds and you can say 1:45:32 actually he was never a fed it was it was a reverse reverse you can do you know you ever 1:45:37 see that cartoon spy versus spy you can always like switch the plot at the last minute is we 1:45:43 can't be too nice obviously there would be some sort of level to this where they would apply those 1:45:49 kind of pressures to the space right like there why is it so crazy for someone like me to say 1:45:54 there's a large-scale botnet trying to manipulate our opinions on cryptocurrency subject matter so 1:46:00 that we can't get ahead like we did with bitcoin when bitcoin had the cambrian explosion of ideas 1:46:04 that came with it we can't keep doing that because the government cannot keep up with that 1:46:08 so they are forced to try to contain that system right this gets us aware all this fed talk you 1:46:15 know there's no proving it there are bad arguments on both sides and even call anybody a fed and we 1:46:21 have to address the arguments it just like it sounds bad if you call everybody a fed even if 1:46:25 you're right it's just this like we can't get anywhere from this more important i i agree joe 1:46:31 and i think that it's more important to recognize that we're all cryptocurrency users that that's 1:46:37 what satoshi actually did he made us all fucking end users of this tech and nobody's word here 1:46:43 is any more valuable than anybody else's it's what you do that really matters 1:46:49 yeah which is why i agree going back to the block size stuff again it's also kind of like 1:46:56 okay we're arguing over what exactly caused the reduction in usage in bitcoin i mean i can look 1:47:02 at it right now and see nobody's using it right now only one megabyte block size so that's not 1:47:06 the limit but you have some other theory okay fine but the point of Drivechains is that you 1:47:11 guys can have your large block what are they using in this case though well how many transactions 1:47:15 are happening on other chains like look at solana like it's because the fee is so small 1:47:20 and it's so instant that that none now the users they just all go instead it's a separate thing 1:47:25 that's a separate dimension though we're just talking about block size okay we could sure 1:47:29 we got to keep it simple sure but block size finality though right so let's be fair yeah yeah 1:47:35 no i agree i agree block space is what defines whether or not we can have virtually instant 1:47:40 transactions before we started enforcing the block size limit it was less than 10 minutes 1:47:46 because your transaction was certain to end up in the next block no but it depends on node policy 1:47:53 it's not it's not that simple i'm telling you it is that i was there i was there 1:47:58 2010 somebody introduced the block size limit and even back then people were saying oh it's 1:48:05 satoshi's more than one person because this guy thinks ddos attacks are going to work against 1:48:12 bitcoin which they aren't and they're not effective against it anyway point being is 1:48:18 that even back then people were saying that whoever introduced the block size limit 1:48:23 probably wasn't satoshi and that it was drew so much contention in that people started saying that 1:48:31 oh there's there's more than one guy there's there's a group called satoshi and it wasn't 1:48:37 that there was a group it was that they found satoshi they killed him and then they used 1:48:41 his accounts to introduce that so so this is a theory but i would just say like it doesn't matter 1:48:46 right paul fixed this right now this unlimited block size across space has it's history though 1:48:53 biggest stumbling block we've had it's history taking direct gotta move on payments you gotta 1:49:00 it doesn't change anything about the plan going forward you're back to fucking bankers running 1:49:04 everything again okay i just want to say we only have 11 minutes we only have 11 minutes left 1:49:11 so uh you know the goal is kind of to have all the you know the haters of eCash joined which 1:49:17 they rarely do um well i can be a hater i can be a hater give me the hate real quick i hate uh well 1:49:23 people would rather just talk about the fashions of the day they'd rather talk about 110 or 1:49:27 whatever which is fine we can indulge to some extent i just want to remind you one hater can i 1:49:32 get one hater point in for the people down there please especially if you've heard someone else be 1:49:36 a hater you could i've been to all these spaces point i've been to all these spaces paul i listened 1:49:40 to you yeah okay all right we're in the modern zoomer era of adhd you gotta you gotta like 1:49:45 simplify your points a lot more and get to the point within like two to four minutes otherwise 1:49:51 you lose these motherfuckers down there i'm sorry that's why you always get these same nerdy 1:49:55 group of people down here and not like what's eCash there's a bitcoin fort coming whoa bro 1:50:00 let's check you know you need the retards in here so you got to kind of cut cut the the 1:50:04 you know the explanations down a little bit it's really hurting you i'm not gonna lie 1:50:10 okay great thanks that's when i say you ever see that movie amadeus uh when the guy's giving uh 1:50:15 mozart he tells him he didn't give them a good bang at the end of songs to let them know when 1:50:19 to clap and then most of us maybe you can give me lessons in that but the point is um yeah hey did 1:50:24 you ever hear milton friedman has this line about there's idea manufacturers and idea 1:50:30 distributors and also the quote is actually longer but i'm gonna short it shorten it for 1:50:34 your benefit which is that some people come up with the ideas and then other people you got like 1:50:39 a neil degrasse tyson you know what i mean he like ships it to the joe rogan world and then the joe 1:50:45 rogan he he ships he like retails it to his and then there's a lot of people don't listen to any 1:50:51 we need to get vlad an editor so you can do the the clipping shit the clipping shits all the heat 1:50:55 right now on all the social media platforms like 30 people do the clips yeah the clips is all the 1:51:00 matter right now people do the clips people do the clips i'm not sure i'm not sure anybody could 1:51:04 clip you though your clip would be like five minutes long you know well the free samurai 1:51:08 i think it's just kind of a separate case but yeah we need a background 1:51:13 so 1:51:17 sorry i didn't hear what did you say 1:51:21 uh i said yeah i said we need a tiktok dance and all the all the memes and stuff 1:51:25 yeah definitely okay we can go back to talking about if no one has i just want to say i just 1:51:32 wanted to remind everyone we're in the last nine minutes so we can go back to talking about the 1:51:36 block size or well what we should do with this bit 110 is hot right now y'all y'all are y'all 1:51:41 are sleeping on this right you gotta you guys gotta jump into the argument a little more even 1:51:45 though it's dumb and pointless and all that and it's never gonna happen you gotta i think it's 1:51:49 funny you guys are all 110 yeah this is the whole thing is like they won't let it they won't talk 1:51:53 to the ordinals people so we're gonna infiltrate you know i think you guys should infiltrate a 1:51:56 little bit too put it at docs no no pfps only adult white guys okay this is the key right it 1:52:03 has to be an adult white guy it has to have laser eyes and nothing else matters if you put hashtag 1:52:07 bit 110 in your name you automatically get followers so if you suck at twitter you know 1:52:11 that's a good way to get some followers just hashtag bit 110 in your name and then you know 1:52:15 the mechanic yeah the fake mechanic guy who is muck annick and he does the imitation of him 1:52:21 that was incredible that was very funny there's a luke's lawyer ocean's lawyer uh he's a there's 1:52:26 so many parody accounts to the point where i go into these spaces and i'm thinking like wait 1:52:31 half of these motherfuckers are parody accounts what am i doing up here right now like there's 1:52:34 not really any there's more parody accounts than the jokes on you this is why he was talking about 1:52:39 ad hominem is because what if what if they reveal to you at the end and they and then luke says 1:52:44 i myself was this whole thing was a parody it was all just for entertainment we were never going to 1:52:49 do bip 110 that's what he's gonna say and you have just we have we've tricked you it was all 1:52:55 about tricking you 100 so that's why i think shemari wants to ask a question about the github 1:53:02 okay he's not in the chat see here's the thing shemari's not in the chat he still doesn't want 1:53:07 to download a chat program to ask a question so he waited he waits for the space fair enough 1:53:11 to ask this is all he's got technical questions 1:53:17 welcome to the stage oh yeah thanks um just really i realize this is not you know appropriate for me 1:53:23 to be um engaging with you here but do you have another way that i can like directly 1:53:29 communicate with you regarding like some of the issues with the uh issues in the github 1:53:35 because i do you several times and like you haven't really engaged at all in the issues 1:53:41 yeah Truthcoin in github um that might not be me i may be peace dorks on github 1:53:50 maybe maybe that's what it was but i mean your name came up in in the issues um that i that i 1:53:57 impersonating me but i will look and i don't you know because now you know the team is really good 1:54:02 so uh they were mostly handling that but yeah you can also you can also dm me on it on x i think i 1:54:08 don't know if you have or not but it's weird because they but once i dm you back it will 1:54:14 because it like triages the messages i don't know if it does this for everyone but it like 1:54:19 assumes every dm is a spam well i mentioned that in because i i've messaged you um just generally 1:54:28 on x and you did mention that you were going to publish the bug list because i'm trying to 1:54:32 understand moving forward now i am yes i'm gonna do it today you know the next challenge like where 1:54:38 where is that going to be published though uh probably here on on twitter and then it'll 1:54:43 probably be like a google doc or something okay okay cool and then um you mentioned saturday 1:54:49 you're doing a trial run um are you gonna have you know lead up to that as well well this will 1:54:55 be the first one so it'll probably be disaster so i didn't want to make too much of a public 1:54:59 announcement about it but we're gonna do like seven or something i'm gonna do like one a week 1:55:05 uh i think so that will start to happen because that will give people a very good 1:55:12 idea of exactly what the hard fork will be like and then uh if they're a huge disaster then 1:55:20 we'll see why and if they work perfectly then everyone will know what to do so 1:55:25 yes specifically i'm looking to get a new Drivechain added um you know any way possible so that 1:55:32 that's the guidance i'm looking for like how how would you recommend like last week we spoke about 1:55:37 that well on the real network it has to have real miners i happen to know you know just because i 1:55:43 know the people who've expressed interest in mining this fake this is again this is like a 1:55:50 like a testnet with fake coins but so but yeah probably on github is probably fine if you don't 1:55:57 use telegram telegram is where most people converse but i think github would also work 1:56:05 yeah i i mean i'm obviously on x i can dm you um but i just you know i have a proposal in github 1:56:12 an issue like probably about two weeks ago i submitted it uh for a Drivechain so i haven't 1:56:18 got any engagement on it are you on telegram or not i don't i don't use telegram just because of 1:56:24 the kyc so that's not an option i am on discord though and i was hoping maybe now there would 1:56:29 have been a discord eCash discord yeah there's supposed to be a what's that thing that plugs them 1:56:35 all together someone said they were doing that last week but i didn't haven't looked it is kind 1:56:40 of becoming a large project so even though i i know a lot about what everyone's doing it is a 1:56:45 lot to keep track of uh but whatever it is i think someone was setting you don't you don't have an 1:56:52 official discord still correct well there should be i think um i think this person was going to 1:56:58 create it the guy vlad you know what i'm talking about uh cryptico shiny emoji or whatever the 1:57:05 person was um and and you can actually oh sorry i was saying you can sign up for telegram without 1:57:14 a username and without giving them your phone number you'll just appear like a spam spamming 1:57:18 type of user i i don't i didn't know that i'm not really sure how that works um is there any like 1:57:26 where would i how would i start that 1:57:29 also i'm not i don't know anything about this specifically but i know for a fact that people 1:57:33 can buy there's like websites where you can just buy now i don't know if this works or if they 1:57:38 they take the account back later or something but i know you can buy like telegram accounts for like 1:57:43 five dollars or two dollars or something so um not but i don't know like how well i've never 1:57:51 done that but i you can there are all these sites where you just like how many 1:57:55 fake accounts do you want to buy it's kind of terrible really but they do exist 1:58:01 yeah i get spam phone calls all the time there's a way to do it so you could just uh i'm sure you 1:58:06 could find it yeah um that's just a consequence of us being very active on telegram yeah the 1:58:15 telegram is where a lot of discussion happens 1:58:22 yeah no i just i more more i mean i'm not looking to really get social it's just the 1:58:27 the issues that i've submitted haven't been really engaged with except for the one 1:58:32 where i did see them actually submit a pr so that's why i really wanted the bug list to kind 1:58:39 of understand like where my issue stood amongst all the others um but if you're going to release 1:58:45 that today then i'll just wait for that and then i'll you know follow up you know afterwards 1:58:52 okay great 1:58:56 yeah if you guys are bored uh we're doing a space in an hour of the bitcoin puppets which 1:59:00 is like an ordinals community but we're just basically going to troll the uh bit 110 guys 1:59:03 all day long and then an hour after that or like i think an hour and a half after that yeah there's 1:59:07 like a debate between jim and leonidas and they're arguing about bit 110 bullshit and i think this 1:59:12 is like the meta right now you guys gotta you know we don't we can talk about shimari's technicals 1:59:17 all the time but like if you want to be where the people are at and the attention is that you got to 1:59:20 go in and make fun of the bitcoin bit bit 110 retards you gotta you know call michael say they 1:59:26 are fed and you know we got to connect the bridges paul we can't just sit in the corner on an island 1:59:31 over here talking about you know eCash and the eCash one quick thing because i am working on a 1:59:39 kind of like an arena app because i do i kind of feel like you know again kind of you know um 1:59:46 reiterating um what you guys are talking about like there's really kind of getting kind of boring 1:59:50 in terms of like leading up to the launch in terms of there's nothing to actually do with the eCash 1:59:55 because now we have the wallet uh which is awesome by the way really really great job on that mobile 1:59:59 wallet but um there's nothing to do like once you actually get the um the testnet coins the signal 2:00:06 coins you get like three of them and all you can really do is post like on CoinNews so i started 2:00:13 working like on a just just vibing by coding some um some things that you can actually like play 2:00:20 you know with the those signet coins and hopefully um that'll be ready by next week and i can 2:00:25 possibly make this a little more or less boring for you guys 2:00:31 okay great and that does sound fun david trolling those people 2:00:39 we'll be a little busy later today but 2:00:43 have fun with that i mean see here's the thing what are you going to achieve 2:00:46 if you do is you're just gonna so usually how it goes is we take one guy has already one more 2:00:51 little guy to come up and like he's not really the most intelligent guy he doesn't understand 2:00:54 what money is you know we the basic concepts that he just can't fathom like what the fuck 2:00:58 data is right like why is arbitrated data part of bitcoin like these people we go through these 2:01:03 really funny simple concepts with these guys but it's like almost like a patronizing way to like 2:01:07 talk down you know to be like hey here let me help you retard you know like i guess we're 2:01:11 stuck here with you in the room together so we might as well talk about something right 2:01:16 and then we kind of just try to educate them while knowing they're not going to listen 2:01:20 um because we have nothing better to do ordinals are down 99 anyways and this gives us a way to 2:01:25 unite as a community and bully someone else other than the node monkeys you know what i'm saying 2:01:29 like that's kind of the only reason honestly you guys could do it too though you guys could 2:01:35 unite us the eCash guys you guys could shit on the bit.10 dumbasses and be like by the way 2:01:41 drive trains are coming you know mic drop and walk out of the discord and walk out of the spaces you 2:01:46 know but instead what we do around here is we come up here every week we listen to shimari talk about 2:01:51 how the github and this and the fucking technicals and this drive chaining is trying to go live next 2:01:55 week and then and then the only people down there are all these dumbasses that are from the 2:01:59 ordinals community waiting for me to say something stupid come on guys you want you want the 2:02:03 onboarding we gotta we gotta we gotta make it fun you know we gotta make it a little more 2:02:08 entertaining i'm trying to help i swear i promise i agree i agree yeah it should be more than this 2:02:14 yeah it's true well hey daniel daniel craver's video is out today you can see it on my twitter 2:02:21 or on the youtube eCash youtube so uh that is fun although he's definitely not a gen z 2:02:29 you know he it's not a tiktok video so like can we get a bip 110 Drivechain announcement right 2:02:37 like come on paul that would be funny i think you know actually fingers okay well yeah there's 2:02:45 gonna be lots of stuff coming out so so uh there's plenty to look forward to i think 2:02:51 but we'll have to end it here so thanks very much 2:03:00 i hope everyone enjoyed listening i hope people enjoy the recording 2:03:07 we'll be back next week if anyone really wants to talk about anything in particular they should 2:03:14 request it maybe we'll talk about it and uh have a great rest of the week 2:03:30 now vlad is the host so he has to end it i cannot end it yeah i just want to say before vlad ends 2:03:35 it Zcash is going to zero it's a massad coin uh Zcash is not the real bitcoin uh the zk technology 2:03:42 is overrated and uh he's not here to defend himself so he can't stop me uh if you really 2:03:48 want privacy you should just mix bitcoin uh they didn't throw the Zcash developers in jail they 2:03:52 threw the bitcoin mixer developers in jail i wonder why maybe because the tech actually works 2:03:56 better at scale without needing to have a black box where you hide in the corner of the closet 2:04:00 and don't admit you're gay maybe just stop being gay and use bitcoin man like what are you doing 2:04:05 over here Zcash is not the future okay stop believing in zuko zuko doesn't even care about 2:04:10 you vlad he doesn't know who you are does that work did it work i want to get in david's head 2:04:14 about this though he invested in every other altcoin for the past 10 years but uh okay so no 2:04:19 no no in my defense i don't have a problem with Zcash actually i helped work on a lot of the early 2:04:24 like zero coin stuff uh like as like a community guy and all this other shit but no i don't have 2:04:29 a problem Zcash i just trolling him because i know he loves Zcash and he's afk there you go 2:04:33 okay fair enough fair enough 2:04:38 i just had to get his attention you know yeah he's a pro uh he's pro solana meme coin but 2:04:44 but Zcash is no no don't say that about me don't you dare say that about me 2:04:48 i hate solana that chain that chain should die that is fed chain 2:04:57 okay i guess everything's a fed chain well i don't see everyone 2:04:59 all right see you guys
